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.. do u know why they change it ?
to keep up with the developments of life ...

Can you provide ONE example of when the Bible (as opposed to some people's interpretation of what it says) has been 'changed' for that reason, explaining what the relevant 'developments' were?
 
dear brother Trumble please check this website .. i took it from the posts of one of the sisters her e.. but it is very important to make u believe that even jesus foretold the coming of prophet mohammed (SAW) .. thanks brother .. and rethink about what u said about islam ..

and it will show u the change in the bible .. thank you .. i wish u are interested in Islam, and i will make prayers for u to be a muslim . :embarrass

this is the web site: http://www.rasoulallah.net/fl_list_e...=2&parent_id=2

Can you provide ONE example of when the Bible (as opposed to some people's interpretation of what it says) has been 'changed' for that reason, explaining what the relevant 'developments' were?
 
actually the qu'ran reveals many things in nature, and many things of what will happen in the future and everyday scientists find new things in nature which has been actually recorded in the qu'ran since million of years ago

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Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'd like a few examples of this. Nothing vague, nothing already known at the time, and nothing that was obvious either.

I think this is off-topic but I guess I would like to know.
 
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And peace to honorable Christian friends

I personally believe that some of the Bibles are written by the same man who is called Paulus, I am not going to put saint in front of his name as he is not a saint. Bibles are just the accounts of prophet Jesus and his disciples life and it is just like Hadiths in Islam.

But as for Hadiths, we have complete accounts of the Rawi or the Narrators so we know which one is from the false sources and which one is from the true sources. Every new generations of Muslim Hadiths memorizer will have to learn strict procedures in checking the Hadiths before they are being kept in the memory. Hadiths are the second source in Islam and it contains interpretations on the acts of prayers, prophet traditions or Sunnah, and things concerning community life.

Al-Quran is the first source of Islam and it is not written by prophet Muhammad. In Islamic tradition, it is revealed by Archangel Gabriel the God's emissary and not inspired. Prophet Muhammad can't read nor write as he was not formally educated and during his time, writing lesson is considered as exclusive. Prophet Muhammad was raised in the village by Halimatussa'adiah and not in the Holy City Mecca.

The Trinity faith on which has been proclaimed formally as mainstream Christians faith today was justified in Nicean Councils after fourth Century. Thus other Bibles which includes the prophecy about prophet Muhammad were destroyed and the words in the Bibles was deflected to suit Trinity belief.

Holy books are not written but revealed by Allah to His messengers and prophets. Quran was recorded in the written form by prophet Muhammad companions and his followers in the sanctified leather, rocks, and palm leaves during he is still alive and he can check them words by words. Quran also was memorized by the followers during prophet Muhammad is still alive, he used to refresh his memory during Ramadhan as Archangel Gabriel will visit him under Allah's order and checking the recitation. Then prophet Muhammad will check his companions recitation and it happens to other Muslims until today even we already have Al-Quran in written form. It is only compiled in the form of book during Uthman Caliphate because Muslims afraid that the words will be lost as many memorizers of Quran being martyrs in the wars between the false prophets and their followers as an example.

While for Bibles, we learned that prophet Jesus was chased by the Jews his own tribe and the Romans. Although prophet Jesus is a literate person but he have no time to record the words of God or keeping the record as he was in refuge.

How about Christians put the Trinity faith aside when talking about the writer of Bibles. Trinity faith is the one that influenced the writing of Bibles. Even prophet Jesus being the center of worship for Christians and not Lord God Himself who had created prophet Jesus, prophet Muhammad, prophet Moses, and all of human race from Adam until today.

Basically, Trinity is Roman pagan tradition and it was inherited from the Greeks. This faith also can be traced in Hinduism known as Trimurthi. Why should God have to be divided in the function as He is Capable and Powerful above everything? Sorry this is a kind out of the topic, but I think it is related to the Bible concerning the basic faith in it.
 
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Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'd like a few examples of this. Nothing vague, nothing already known at the time, and nothing that was obvious either.

I think this is off-topic but I guess I would like to know.

Peace,

The person means that the Holy Scripture consists prophecies on the things that will come in the present. It already happens after human-being had reached a certain level that correspond the prophecies as what has been proved in scientific researches. There are verses in the Holy Scripture that human need to think and observe and some of the verses are talking about the things that will be happen. Human at the time when the verses were revealed hadn't reached the level of thinking yet. It is among the proves that the Holy Scripture is not of human creation.
 
yeah it has been fabricated by human kind and this is well known by all muslims, muslims all know that the real bible is not rela any more .. and a lot has been changed to it now .. do u know why they change it ?
to keep up with the developments of life ...
but alhmadulilah the quran will never be changed as it is protected by Allah and it is suitable for any era and at any time ...

actually the qu'ran reveals many things in nature, and many things of what will happen in the future and everyday scientists find new things in nature which has been actually recorded in the qu'ran since million of years ago .. Thanks to Allah who gave us Islam and the Qu'ran ...



Interpreted, what I hear you saying is essentially:

I believe what the Qur'an says about any and everything it talks about. Since I believe it, then I know it is true. And since all Muslims believe what the Qur'an teaches, then we know everything there is to know about anything worth knowing about any other religion.

But in my view that all stems from an initial belief that you hold which I don't happen to share. So, when you say something like, "muslims all know that the real bible is not rela any more," all you've done is convince me that you really don't know what you are talking about at all.



Even more, consider the irony of this:
dear brother Trumble please check this website .. i took it from the posts of one of the sisters her e.. but it is very important to make u believe that even jesus foretold the coming of prophet mohammed (SAW) .. thanks brother .. and rethink about what u said about islam ..

and it will show u the change in the bible .. thank you .. i wish u are interested in Islam, and i will make prayers for u to be a muslim . :embarrass

this is the web site: http://www.rasoulallah.net/fl_list_e...=2&parent_id=2


Correction to your link: the link I believe you intended to post is http://www.rasoulallah.net/subject_en.asp?hit=1&lang=ar&parent_id=2&sub_id=222
You reference the Bible that you don't believe to find "proof" that Jesus prophesied about Muhammad who would say that he wasn't who the Bible describes him to be. And your "proof" is a passage from John where Jesus says that he will send another (you suggest this other is Muhammad, not the Holy Spirit) who lead us into the truth. You think this is the Qur'an, but Jesus goes on to tell us what this truth is: "you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20), an idea that is totally shirk to Muslims.


You seem not to just want to have your cake and eat it too. You actually want to throw it away as spoiled, and still claim it backs you up. This is the height of illogical thinking that accepts things not for what they are, but for what you want out of them.
 
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Can you provide ONE example of when the Bible (as opposed to some people's interpretation of what it says) has been 'changed' for that reason, explaining what the relevant 'developments' were?

please watch the vidoes links i have posted at the start of the thread, a chrsitian brother has gone ahead and done that no need for anyone here to explain it.

peace
 
we believe in the presence of the bible and that it was taught by Jesus and presented by him by the order of Allah..
we as muslims believe in it .. we believe that there is Jesus and the bible.. but what we really mean is that today's bible has been greatly altered and changed to keep up with the development of every new age " era "....
why do they keep changing the bible ?? doesn't it sound orginal like this ?
they keep changing it to prove that they are true ??

why don't u think then why don't we change the q'uran ?? we don't change it and never will because it will never be old and it will always keep up to the age's development .. think about it brother grace ..

Interpreted, what I hear you saying is essentially:

I believe what the Qur'an says about any and everything it talks about. Since I believe it, then I know it is true. And since all Muslims believe what the Qur'an teaches, then we know everything there is to know about anything worth knowing about any other religion.

But in my view that all stems from an initial belief that you hold which I don't happen to share. So, when you say something like, "muslims all know that the real bible is not rela any more," all you've done is convince me that you really don't know what you are talking about at all.



Even more, consider the irony of this:
You reference the Bible that you don't believe to find "proof" that Jesus prophesied about Muhammad who would say that he wasn't who the Bible describes him to be. And your "proof" is a passage from John where Jesus says that he will send another (you suggest this other is Muhammad, not the Holy Spirit) who lead us into the truth. You think this is the Qur'an, but Jesus goes on to tell us what this truth is: "you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20), an idea that is totally shirk to Muslims.


You seem not to just want to have your cake and eat it too. You actually want to throw it away as spoiled, and still claim it backs you up. This is the height of illogical thinking that accepts things not for what they are, but for what you want out of them.
 
GOD almighty is powerful and some of his attributes in the bible are very dubious for example in the bible god created the heavens and the earth in 5 days and he rested? on the sixth this is a very human like attribute, ALLAH has blessed me with a mind and so i have to use it to realise that if it says that god took a nap in the bible then i should automatically know that this was not the original teachings

The quran does perfect in restating what the real message was,some christians approached the prophet(sas) and they questioned him about islam and that if he's a prophet,the prophet was nervous and felt sick this used to happen whenever he was revealed chapter and with an instant the chapter alikhlas(SINCERITY) was sent down and it came out of his mouth in words as a reply to the christian guests

112.001
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
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Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
112.003
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112.004
And there is none like unto Him.
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A very short chapter but its importance weighs more than the entire earth,why you may ask,simple because it clarifies allah's power and that he is above his creations and that everybody that ever exited on the day of judgement will come as a servent to him and even also jesus
 
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we believe in the presence of the bible and that it was taught by Jesus and presented by him by the order of Allah..
we as muslims believe in it ..
In other words you believe in a Bible that cannot be shown to have ever actually existed outside of the claims of Islam.

we believe that there is Jesus and the bible
But you don't accept the Bible that was passed on to us by those who wrote it and those who first believed in its teachings. Rather you say that it is a man-made book filled with changes and alterations.

but what we really mean is that today's bible has been greatly altered and changed to keep up with the development of every new age " era "....
It is true that the Bible that we have today is not the original Bible, those original pieces of parchment and vellum have probably long ago turned to dust. And the copies made from them that we do possess have some inconsistencies with each other so that it points to copying errors some place along in the process, that too is true. What is NOT true is your ascertion that it has been changed to keep up with the development of every new age. I've never heard such an accussation before. There is simply nothing by slander behind such a charge.


why do they keep changing the bible ??
We don't. Rather we work very hard to preserve it's integrity and where possible to get back to as close as possible to the original text where discrepancies are found between the existing copies. If someone has told you that we keep changing the Bible, then you have been told lies.

What you will see, however, is that there will continue to be new translations of the Bible produced, for we desire to put the Bible into the common language of every person on the face of the earth so that each can read it in their own mother tongue. In the case of some languages, like English for instance, because the language itself keeps evolving we need to keep creating new translations for the English I speak today is different than the English of Shakespear or Chaucer and the English my children speak is even different in some ways from the English I speak. There are changes that take place in as little as a generation or less.


why don't u think then why don't we change the q'uran ?? we don't change it and never will because it will never be old and it will always keep up to the age's development .. think about it brother grace ..
You don't change it because you don't believe that interpretations of the Qur'an are the Qur'an. But I do note that there are many different interpretations of the Qur'an just like there are many different translations of the Bible, so you do exactly the same thing with your sacred text that we do with ours, you just aren't honest enough to admit it to yourselves.
 
GOD almighty is powerful and some of his attributes in the bible are very dubious for example in the bible god created the heavens and the earth in 5 days and he rested? on the sixth this is a very human like attribute,
If you are going to question it, at least get it right what you are questioning. In the Bible the work of creation lasts 6 days and God rests on the seventh, not the sixth.

As to your actual point:
ALLAH has blessed me with a mind and so i have to use it to realise that if it says that god took a nap in the bible then i should automatically know that this was not the original teachings
It doesn't say that God took a nap. This is your interpretation from what is there. But that is not what actually is there. It isn't even what is implied. So, please use that mind that Allah gave you and let's get the story right.

God had completed creation. There was no more to do. God is not resting from his labors to restore his energy. He is resting because he has done all that needs be done. On this the day of rest what he does is bless and sanctify.

Note that all of the other days end with this tag line: "and there was evening and there was morning the ___th day." But not on the seventh day. Why not? Because every day is a part of this 7th day of creation. Thus, we who live in the created world, live in a world that God has acted to bless. And if we live in the creation as he created us to do so, we will live blessed lives. There is a new day coming, the day of judgment when God will sift the righteous from the unrighteous, but that day has not yet arrived. When it does it will be the end of this world as we know it, and a new day, a day known as the Day of the Lord, will welcome all those who belong to God into his kingdom and all the rest will be left outside unable to ever enter.


A very short story but its importance weighs more than the entire earth,why you may ask,simple because it clarifies God's relationship to this earth. He is above his creations and yet desires to bless it. Everybody that ever existed has the opportunity to live in the blessedness, if only they will not go after the gods of their own devising or those proclaimed by prophets who do not truly know Yahweh nor Jesus.[/QUOTE]
 
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If you are going to question it, at least get it right what you are questioning. In the Bible the work of creation lasts 6 days and God rests on the seventh, not the sixth.

As to your actual point: It doesn't say that God took a nap. This is your interpretation from what is there. But that is not what actually is there. It isn't even what is implied. So, please use that mind that Allah gave you and let's get the story right.

God had completed creation. There was no more to do. God is not resting from his labors to restore his energy. He is resting because he has done all that needs be done. On this the day of rest what he does is bless and sanctify.

Note that all of the other days end with this tag line: "and there was evening and there was morning the ___th day." But not on the seventh day. Why not? Because every day is a part of this 7th day of creation. Thus, we who live in the created world, live in a world that God has acted to bless. And if we live in the creation as he created us to do so, we will live blessed lives. There is a new day coming, the day of judgment when God will sift the righteous from the unrighteous, but that day has not yet arrived. When it does it will be the end of this world as we know it, and a new day, a day known as the Day of the Lord, will welcome all those who belong to God into his kingdom and all the rest will be left outside unable to ever enter.


A very short story but its importance weighs more than the entire earth,why you may ask,simple because it clarifies God's relationship to this earth. He is above his creations and yet desires to bless it. Everybody that ever existed has the opportunity to live in the blessedness, if only they will not go after the gods of their own devising or those proclaimed by prophets who do not truly know Yahweh nor Jesus.
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"As to your actual point: It doesn't say that God took a nap. This is your interpretation from what is there. But that is not what actually is there. It isn't even what is implied. So, please use that mind that Allah gave you and let's get the story right.

God had completed creation. There was no more to do. God is not resting from his labors to restore his energy. He is resting because he has done all that needs be done. On this the day of rest what he does is bless and sanctify".
Thankyou grace seeker but please don't belittle people and certainly do not try to dazzle us with words and try to defame others. You are trying to form something which in yourself does not make any sense. It seems your own interpretation has been a bit skewered trying to make you own meaning out of the word "REST" which corrupts your own point of view. The word rest means:-
1. the refreshing quiet or repose of sleep: a good night's rest.
2. refreshing ease or inactivity after exertion or labor: to allow an hour for rest.
Please do not create a new meaning from a word from your own imagination.

Quran 2:204 There is the type of man whose speech about this world's life may dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet is he the most contentious of enemies.

Quran 10:65 Let not their speech grieve thee: for all power and honour belong to Allah it is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
 
The word rest means:-
1. the refreshing quiet or repose of sleep: a good night's rest.
2. refreshing ease or inactivity after exertion or labor: to allow an hour for rest.
Please do not create a new meaning from a word from your own imagination.

I'm not making a new meaing out of my own imagination.

Remember the word "rest" is the English translation of a Hebrew text. Those who play off of the word "rest" coming up with ideas about sleep and repose are ignoring the original. I'm not a Hebrew scholar, so I depend on others who are to help me with details when it comes to Old Testament passages. The information I passed on is as old as Moses and you will find it in many commentaries both Christian and Jewish. The rabbis who used to frequent the "Ask a Jew" thread made these comments themselves some time back. Please read the following: Why Would A God Need to Rest on the Seventh Day?, by Rabbi Dr. Michael Samuel.

The Sabbath rest has nothing to do with napping, you can take that bit of information to the bank.
 
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If you are going to question it, at least get it right what you are questioning. In the Bible the work of creation lasts 6 days and God rests on the seventh, not the sixth.

As to your actual point: It doesn't say that God took a nap. This is your interpretation from what is there. But that is not what actually is there. It isn't even what is implied. So, please use that mind that Allah gave you and let's get the story right.

God had completed creation. There was no more to do. God is not resting from his labors to restore his energy. He is resting because he has done all that needs be done. On this the day of rest what he does is bless and sanctify.

Note that all of the other days end with this tag line: "and there was evening and there was morning the ___th day." But not on the seventh day. Why not? Because every day is a part of this 7th day of creation. Thus, we who live in the created world, live in a world that God has acted to bless. And if we live in the creation as he created us to do so, we will live blessed lives. There is a new day coming, the day of judgment when God will sift the righteous from the unrighteous, but that day has not yet arrived. When it does it will be the end of this world as we know it, and a new day, a day known as the Day of the Lord, will welcome all those who belong to God into his kingdom and all the rest will be left outside unable to ever enter.

A very short story but its importance weighs more than the entire earth,why you may ask,simple because it clarifies God's relationship to this earth. He is above his creations and yet desires to bless it. Everybody that ever existed has the opportunity to live in the blessedness, if only they will not go after the gods of their own devising or those proclaimed by prophets who do not truly know Yahweh nor Jesus.
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Sorry for the mistake it was the seventh day :rolleyes:

These are the definitions for the word rest

[PIE]'to cease from action or motion : refrain from labor or exertion'[/PIE]

[PIE]: to get rest by lying down; especially : sleep b: to lie dead[/PIE]

Resting and blessing in the english dictionary are two different words,it would have been more appropriate for the verse to say that god created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and blessed on the 7th day but no it doesnt say that what it says in exodus i think ''god rested and was refreshed'.in the quran its very different it gives us a standards check measure if you like, in allowing us to know what is true and what is false from the previous revelations i.e the bible, it says god created the heavens and the earth and what ever is in between them and no fatigue took him over, which of the two verses from the quran or from the bible sounds more realistic.

Like i said god's attributes in the bible are very dubious and to a muslim it really hurts for example in the book of judges it says 'so the lord was with judah and the drove out the inhabitants of the mountains but they could not drive out the inhabitants below the mountain because they had armoury made of iron' but in the quran theres a quality control 'Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is'
Take your choice the god of the bible that could not prevail against the people with armoury made of iron or the god in the glorious quran that can do what ever he wills
 
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I have some personal view here:

How about the changing in the metaphor phrase "the right hand of God"? As there are also people who are using left hand to read or write or living their life with left hand functioning to do works? The metaphor has to be changed from right hand to left hand to respect them. I am sorry I can't remember where did I read about this but I had read about this around two or three years ago?

The verses are in Psalm 110:1; Psalm 118:16 and they were quoted in Matthew 22:44, 22:41-45.

This is not about the interpretation anymore, it is more to the translation that suits a certain community or to fulfil certain people's desire.

I agree with brother Grace Seeker about Al-Quran translation is different from the translations of Bibles. The translations are not believed as the sacred texts and the verses must be and should be articulated in Quraisy Arabic in which it is the Arabic dialect spoken by prophet Muhammad and in which Al-Quran was revealed in the language. The real text that considered as sacred is in Arabic. Muslim are using the gloss translations where there are original language reference in parallel with their mother tongue or the language that they speak. Muslims too are encouraged to learn Arabic and it is the duty of other Muslims with the ability in Arabic to teach others and spreading the language.

What are the texts used by early Christians if they are not recorded as apocryphals by the Vatican? Why should some of them being destroyed by the Holy Papal if it is certain that Trinity faith is in parallel with what had been taught by prophet Jesus -peace be upon him- ?

Is there any mentions about the disciple that being a martyr because being killed by his people in Antioche in the accounts of prophet Jesus apostles, disciples, and followers life?

The evident is in Surah Yaa-Sin 36:13-25, it is Habib An-Najjar who is the person who were martyred as he had plead his people to follow the Tauhid teaching spread by the two apostle of prophet Jesus. God Himself had tell us about the condition of Habib's soul after he had been martyred in Yaa-Sin 36:26-27 where his soul is grieving about his people who were not realizing about the truth and they will be paid with heavy torments in the next life. Habib only experienced a short course of torments before his soul seperated from his body when his people killed him, but after that his soul was prepared to be entered into paradise.

How about the seven dwellers of the cave? Why are they running away from their people? Their people are the people who are believing in Polytheism and Trinity might be among the focus of their worship. Is there any Council that concluded about the Trinity faith and canonizing the Bibles that should be used by people with faith during that time and what are the faith of those early followers of prophet Jesus -peace be upon him-?

Are they going to be casted into the hell and counted as Kafir (heathens) after Trinity being enforced as there is no Trinity at that time and according to historical evidences the Trinity faith was first preached by Paulus in order to convert the gentiles into the Convenant without touching their principle points of culture that contradict Tauhid ot the Unitarianism of God which is nothing is equal to Him or unattributed to others? Is the objective permits the manner?
 
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Thankyou grace seeker but please don't belittle people and certainly do not try to dazzle us with words and try to defame others. You are trying to form something which in yourself does not make any sense. It seems your own interpretation has been a bit skewered trying to make you own meaning out of the word "REST" which corrupts your own point of view. The word rest means:-
1. the refreshing quiet or repose of sleep: a good night's rest.
2. refreshing ease or inactivity after exertion or labor: to allow an hour for rest.
Please do not create a new meaning from a word from your own imagination.

As a 'neutral' as it were I'd just like to reinforce the comments that that really is total rubbish.

What the word 'rest' means in English is pretty much irrelevant; as has been pointed out it is a translation. With all due respect, that same point is made so often here in relation to English translations of Quran'ic Arabic I really wouldn't expect it to be that difficult to grasp. Several different words in Hebrew are actually translated as "rest". The Hebrew word here actually means something more along the lines of "abstained", i.e from further creating. There is no implication of "having a nap", or anything like it.
 
Sorry for the mistake it was the seventh day :rolleyes:
Hey, we all make mistakes. So, we can leave that one and go one to the main issue.


These are the definitions for the word rest
[PIE]'to cease from action or motion : refrain from labor or exertion'[/PIE]
[PIE]: to get rest by lying down; especially : sleep b: to lie dead[/PIE]
Resting and blessing in the english dictionary are two different words,it would have been more appropriate for the verse to say that god created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and blessed on the 7th day but no it doesnt say that what it says in exodus i think ''god rested and was refreshed'.in the quran its very different it gives us a standards check measure if you like, in allowing us to know what is true and what is false from the previous revelations i.e the bible, it says god created the heavens and the earth and what ever is in between them and no fatigue took him over, which of the two verses from the quran or from the bible sounds more realistic.


Focusing on the English word "rest" is just as big of a mistake as getting the wrong day, bigger.

Getting the wrong day is like a copyists error, easily spotted and corrected.

Focusing on the the word "rest" implies you don't understand the process of Biblical interpretation. For those who use English translations it begins with an assumption that the translation is a credilbe translation of the original text. But if one is going to do a word study, which is what you are doing when focusing on a key word, then one has to go back to the original languages. And that is where your critique of this passage breaks down.

Let me illustrate from the Qur'an.
003.028. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from God: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But God cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to God.

004.139. Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with God.

004.144. O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer God an open proof against yourselves?

005.051. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

Well, this appears to be pretty clear, at least on the surface -- Muslims should not have non-Muslim friends. But let's look at an English dictionary to be sure. What does the word "friend" actually mean?

Main Entry: 1friend
Pronunciation: \ˈfrend\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English frend, from Old English frēond; akin to Old High German friunt friend, Old English frēon to love, frēo free
Date: before 12th century
1 a: one attached to another by affection or esteem b: acquaintance
2 a: one that is not hostile b: one that is of the same nation, party, or group
3: one that favors or promotes something (as a charity)
4: a favored companion
5capitalized : a member of a Christian sect that stresses Inner Light, rejects sacraments and an ordained ministry, and opposes war —called also Quaker
— friend·less \ˈfren(d)-ləs\ adjective
— friend·less·ness noun
— be friends with : to have a friendship or friendly relationship with

Exactly what I suggested originally. Muslims should not have as a favored companion, an acquaintance, or affectionate relationships with people or esteem those who are not Muslims. Such friendships should only be with brothers and sisters in Islam.

Now, all I have done is use the same principles of interpretation that you have used for the passage in Genesis that speaks of God resting. So, I suspect you agree with my interpretation of the Qur'an-- or at least you should if you think you used a valid process in your own interpretation of the Bible.

But the wise Muslim would differ with my interpretation of the Qur'an and with good reason. You see, I based my understanding on an English translation, when I should have based it on the Arabic original. The following article shows the proper way to interpret these verses, and it begins by correctly understanding the word that is translated as "friend" in the referecned verses: the word Awliya is often incorrectly translated as friends.

It isn't that the word "friends" is wrong, but that if one thinks of friends in the common use of the term, then one is going to have a misunderstanding as to what these verses are saying. Similarly, it isn't that the word "rest" is wrong, but that if one thinks of rest in the common use of the term, then one is going to have a misunderstanding as to what these verses are saying. Just as one needs to return to the Arabic text to truly understand the Qur'an (no amount of defining the English word "friends" helps until you get back to the actual Arabic word, "Awliya," behind it), so one needs to return to the Hebrew text to truly understand these passages from Genesis. No amount of defining the English word "rest" is going to help us understand the passage until we actually get back to the Hebrew word, "Shavat," behind it.

And when one does a word study on the actual Hebrew word used in the passage, one finds that it has nothing to do with taking a nap. It simply means that God ceased creating.

Thus, when one better understands what this passage is actually saying, rather than the false concepts that have been put forth for it, one sees that there is no issue with God having human weaknesses. You've been barking up the wrong tree. This makes the rest of the criticism stemming from that mis-observation moot.

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On another note, I'm not sure what any of that has to do with addressing the question as to who wrote the Bible. Though it is a nice rabbit trail if you like to chase rabbits.
 
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Hey, we all make mistakes. So, we can leave that one and go one to the main issue.





Focusing on the English word "rest" is just as big of a mistake as getting the wrong day, bigger.

Getting the wrong day is like a copyists error, easily spotted and corrected.

Focusing on the the word "rest" implies you don't understand the process of Biblical interpretation. For those who use English translations it begins with an assumption that the translation is a credilbe translation of the original text. But if one is going to do a word study, which is what you are doing when focusing on a key word, then one has to go back to the original languages. And that is where your critique of this passage breaks down.

Let me illustrate from the Qur'an.


Well, this appears to be pretty clear, at least on the surface -- Muslims should not have non-Muslim friends. But let's look at an English dictionary to be sure. What does the word "friend" actually mean?



Exactly what I suggested originally. Muslims should not have as a favored companion, an acquaintance, or affectionate relationships with people or esteem those who are not Muslims. Such friendships should only be with brothers and sisters in Islam.

Now, all I have done is use the same principles of interpretation that you have used for the passage in Genesis that speaks of God resting. So, I suspect you agree with my interpretation of the Qur'an-- or at least you should if you think you used a valid process in your own interpretation of the Bible.

But the wise Muslim would differ with my interpretation of the Qur'an and with good reason. You see, I based my understanding on an English translation, when I should have based it on the Arabic original. The following article shows the proper way to interpret these verses, and it begins by correctly understanding the word that is translated as "friend" in the referecned verses: the word Awliya is often incorrectly translated as friends.

It isn't that the word "friends" is wrong, but that if one thinks of friends in the common use of the term, then one is going to have a misunderstanding as to what these verses are saying. Similarly, it isn't that the word "rest" is wrong, but that if one thinks of rest in the common use of the term, then one is going to have a misunderstanding as to what these verses are saying. Just as one needs to return to the Arabic text to truly understand the Qur'an (no amount of defining the English word "friends" helps until you get back to the actual Arabic word, "Awliya," behind it), so one needs to return to the Hebrew text to truly understand these passages from Genesis. No amount of defining the English word "rest" is going to help us understand the passage until we actually get back to the Hebrew word, "Shavat," behind it.

And when one does a word study on the actual Hebrew word used in the passage, one finds that it has nothing to do with taking a nap. It simply means that God ceased creating.

Thus, when one better understands what this passage is actually saying, rather than the false concepts that have been put forth for it, one sees that there is no issue with God having human weaknesses. You've been barking up the wrong tree. This makes the rest of the criticism stemming from that mis-observation moot.

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On another note, I'm not sure what any of that has to do with addressing the question as to who wrote the Bible. Though it is a nice rabbit trail if you like to chase rabbits.

The english translators for the quran have a choise of words to choose from that best describe without distorting the true meaning and i think it is the similar situation for the bible except the choice of words do not make sense, what i cannot understand is the usage of the word rest why not something close to the actual meaning which is abstained or ceased creation,ok fair enough as you say that ''one needs to return to the Hebrew text to truly understand these passages from Genesis. No amount of defining the English word "rest" is going to help us understand the passage until we actually get back to the Hebrew word, "Shavat," behind it.'' What were the translators thinking? when using the word rest ,we are talking about god here and they had an amplitude choice of words that they could've use to describe the ceasing of creation by god,why the hell would they choose 'rest' a word that doesnt fit especially if one is trying to glorify his god and is probally devout a chistian, to me it doesnt make sense,
 

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