Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

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Please answer the question:

"Do you accept Imaam ibn al-Qayyim رحمة الله عليه? Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's most famous student? What do you think of him and his writings? Is he trustworthy? Reliable?"
 
Brother,

That book is not reliable. The fact it had so much shirk and biddah in it to begin with and the so called "scholars" and "alims" and the "imams" in asia use that more so than the Quran and hadith is troublesome. It doesn't matter how many times it was revised. They should be referencing the Quran and Sunnah, not that book as their one and only source. Also, why would you share unverified stories? what benefit is in that? If we want people to take lessons from stories outside of the Quran and Sunnah then why not make one up yourself?

My dear brother, i am fully aware of how the book fazail e a'mal is religiously quoted and often get into worked up debates with people over it when they quote something wierd, i too notice the rigidity of certain people on it, but we must be aware that if they quote something good from it, r even from a frederick forsyth book, we should file it as positive, after all, it is human understanding and if we discarded all knowledge besides quran and hadith, we'd be in a bit of a rut.

The fact that the brother quoted it and we were able to do an autopsy on the quote increased the understanding of the brother and any other observer.
We must be aware that our aim is to learn and teach, and it is easier to learn and teach when you are able to understand and relate with the people you are conversing with.

Take for instance zakir naik, the brother even reads pagan books and convinces pagans of the truth with it.

As long as humans write, they will make mistakes, but if we threw it all away, we'd lose the observations of many thinkers.

The Quran is indeed the most stable and truthful book, and the ahadith compilations are indeed the next best, but we still sometimes find things falsely attributed to the Prophet pbuh in the very sahihain.
then there are still things like ibn ishaaq etc and ibn kathir who have narrated the weakest of chains and even ahl al kitaab, however the more knowledgable scholars don't gun them for it and appreciate the fact that they preserved the weak stuff for us to sift today.

There are thousands of ahadith which never made it anywhere near the sahihs and neither to the weaker books, yet, some of them are turning out to be correct,
it's a case of giving priority to what's more stable though and i am in no way meaning to be patronizing towards you, i recognise your indigation and zeal in upholding the truth.


52.*Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
53.*That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):
54.*And that those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it: for verily Allah is the Guide of those who believe, to the Straight Way.
55.*Those who reject Faith will not cease to be in doubt concerning (Revelation) until the Hour (of Judgment) comes suddenly upon them, or there comes to them the Penalty of a Day of Disaster.
56.*On that Day of Dominion will be that of Allah. He will judge between them: so those who believe and work righteous deeds will be in Gardens of Delight.
57.*And for those who reject Faith and deny our Signs, there will be a humiliating Punishment.

From Quran Surah Al Hajj Chapter 52.
 
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My dear sister, i am fully aware of how the book fazail e a'mal is religiously quoted and often get into worked up debates with people over it when they quote something wierd, i too notice the rigidity of certain people on it, but we must be aware that if they quote something good from it, r even from a frederick forsyth book, we should file it as positive, after all, it is human understanding and if we discarded all knowledge besides quran and hadith, we'd be in a bit of a rut.

The fact that the brother quoted it and we were able to do an autopsy on the quote increased the understanding of the brother and any other observer.
We must be aware that our aim is to learn and teach, and it is easier to learn and teach when you are able to understand and relate with the people you are conversing with.

Take for instance zakir naik, the brother even reads pagan books and convinces pagans of the truth with it.

As long as humans write, they will make mistakes, but if we threw it all away, we'd lose the observations of many thinkers.

The Quran is indeed the most stable and truthful book, and the ahadith compilations are indeed the next best, but we still sometimes find things falsely attributed to the Prophet pbuh in the very sahihain.
then there are still things like ibn ishaaq etc and ibn kathir who have narrated the weakest of chains and even ahl al kitaab, however the more knowledgable scholars don't gun them for it and appreciate the fact that they preserved the weak stuff for us to sift today.

There are thousands of ahadith which never made it anywhere near the sahihs and neither to the weaker books, yet, some of them are turning out to be correct,
it's a case of giving priority to what's more stable though and i am in no way meaning to be patronizing towards you, i recognise your indigation and zeal in upholding the truth.

So aaj is sister or brother?
 
Please answer the question:

"Do you accept Imaam ibn al-Qayyim رحمة الله عليه? Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's most famous student? What do you think of him and his writings? Is he trustworthy? Reliable?"

I am uncertain as to whom you are asking the question, but will tell you what i think in case the question is directed at me,

I believe that Ibn Al Qayyim (may Allah be pleased with him) was a knowledgeable scholar, that he was sincere, that he was gifted with intelligence, and that he did his best to convey what he had learned of the truth to the best of his ability.
do i believe he was free from imperfection? No, not even the Prophets are free from perfection, total perfection is an attribute exclusive to Allah, the most high. But the son of Adam ibn al Qayyim? I believe that he deserves to be acknowledged as being amongst the great intellectuals of his age and of many ages and pray for his elevation in paradise, which is where i hope he belongs.
 
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The question was for brother aaj, who has mistakenly been called sister twice in one thread...That's not good.
 
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SubhaanAllah
 
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Allaahu akbar
 
Source please, qul haatoo burhaanakum in kuntum suaadiqeen
i accept the fact that "pbuh" specifically means: peace be upon him in english, though the arabic translates as something like "prayers of Allah be upon him and eternal peace" , however, the latter becomes impractical when handwriting or sending short messages.

Isn't saying "prayers of Allah be upon........" Shirk? Cuz Allah never needs praying.
 
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I'll address all the points/issues in this one post.

We as Muslims believe in the revelations of previous scriptures. The prophet(saw) said that they have been changed by men over time and whatever is in agreement with the Quran is intact and whatever contradicts Quran/Islam is where they went astray.

so does that mean we should read it because it has some good in it as well?

There were some shahabas would read the Bible as well and the Prophet (saw) was all red in face (not happy). He said what need is there for you to read that when you have been given the Quran. So no, one should not go reading books with falsehood and lies in it when there is something pure and better available.

But scholars says you can? Yes, they do BUT only to those who already know their deen and read the scriptures for dawaah purposes. These are peopl are educated in their deen and are able to read other books for cross examination for the purpose of discussions. This not a general permission for laymen or your average Muslim, who doesn't even know much about his own deen.

Faizal Amal is no different. In it may be some good but it has lot of shirk and deviations and lies. And yet those who use it use it like its their quran, they don't touch any other book (Quran or hadith) whether they are sitting their study circles or going on 40 day trips, abandoning their families.

Rather then trying to justify this deviation and being defensive, we should look to what is authentic or not and leave that which can lead to going astray.


Here's some info on that book if you are serious about finding out the truth.

https://archive.org/details/TablighiJamaatTechingsOfShirqInTheBookFazailAmaalp art1





Please answer the question:

"Do you accept Imaam ibn al-Qayyim رحمة الله عليه? Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah's most famous student? What do you think of him and his writings? Is he trustworthy? Reliable?"


I do not know enough about him to say one way or another. I am open to taking information from one who uses Quran and Sunnah, the rest I have no interest in.
 
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Who's 'Aali Ibn Abi Thalib RA , Is That Al Lukman Al Hakim AS ?


Assalaam 'alaikum .
 
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Whose Abu Bakr r.a. ? that has been answered already.

Who is Dulkarnain ? He was a great king and a Muslim Allah gave lot of power. He was the one who locked the yajooj and majooj (gog and magog) people between to hills/mountains.

Whose Ali r.a.? that too has been answered previously.


are you serious about these questions?
 
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