Why are christians and Jews close minded?

[Suzeteo]

it is wrong to drink alcohol period, you do know that if you drink alcohol moderately everyday, that basically means you are actually drinking it excessively, drinking alcohol moderately once a day is still bad for you.

I agree that drinking daily what is considered moderate for a day's alcohol consumption (for most people) is harmful - such frequent drinking (which comes under the category of "excessive") can cause all kinds of damage. But no studies I'm aware of suggest any increased risk of harm to someone who drinks infrequently (typically defined as less than 1 or 2 days a week) and in moderation.

 

[User_23338]

I agree that drinking daily what is considered moderate for a day's alcohol consumption (for most people) is harmful - such frequent drinking (which comes under the category of "excessive") can cause all kinds of damage. But no studies I'm aware of suggest any increased risk of harm to someone who drinks infrequently (typically defined as less than 1 or 2 days a week) and in moderation.

even drinking it 1 or 2 days a week is still bad for you. you don't realize this do you.

now please, stop making lame excuses ok. your bible said alcohol is forbidden then it said it promotes it, this is a clear contradiction in the bible and yet you christians keep on changing the bible to make something that was originally forbidden (i.e pork and all other sinful things) and you make it permissable.

and btw you are also supposed to be fasting as well, because Jesus (pbuh) fasted as well.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I want to know where in the Torah does it say that alcohol is absolutely forbidden. The only time I read it was forbidden was on fast days and when entering the temple.

 

[User_23338]

boaz, the torah has changed so i don't think we're gonna able to find the proof now lol

 

[Darth Ultor]

No it hasn't. How do you explain the Dead Sea scrolls? Those are authentic writings.

 

[User_23338]

Yes it has, why do you believe jesus (pbuh) was a false prophet? Why do you hate him?

 

[Suzeteo]

even drinking it 1 or 2 days a week is still bad for you. you don't realize this do you.

Do you have any evidence to support that? I would be genuinely interested.

now please, stop making lame excuses ok. your bible said alcohol is forbidden then it said it promotes it, this is a clear contradiction in the bible and yet you christians keep on changing the bible to make something that was originally forbidden (i.e pork and all other sinful things) and you make it permissable.

You have yet to demonstrate a Biblical passage that universally prohibits drinking alcohol. It prohibits excessive, irresponsible drinking.

and btw you are also supposed to be fasting as well, because Jesus (pbuh) fasted as well.

So should we model our fasting on what Jesus did (40 days and nights with no food) or as Islam teaches (29 or 30 days with food before dawn and after sunset)?

I agree that Christians should fast, but the Bible does not teach that fasting is a ritual to be carried out regularly. It is an act of seeking YHWH's salvation in a time of need (and any time), which has to come out of a prayerful and repentant heart (see Isaiah 58).

 

[Suzeteo]

boaz, the torah has changed so i don't think we're gonna able to find the proof now lol

Perhaps you could help us "find the proof" that the Torah has changed. If your only evidence is the Qur'an, then please quote a passage that teaches that the Torah has changed.

 

[Seeker1066]

It appears the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) forbid Alcohol in stages as God revealed it to him. We find in "Surah 2:219

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder
." Thus Muuhamad(Pbuh) at first restricted Muslims from prayer if drinking. The Next verse "Surah 4:43

O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say....." Than the last forbids all alcohol use "Surah 5:90

O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper."

 

[Suzeteo]

It appears the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) forbid Alcohol in stages as God revealed it to him. We find in "Surah 2:219

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder
." Thus Muuhamad(Pbuh) at first restricted Muslims from prayer if drinking. The Next verse "Surah 4:43

O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say....." Than the last forbids all alcohol use "Surah 5:90

O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper."

Thank you for these ayat. Why do you think Allah left it until Muhammad's day to warn mankind that wine is "Satan's handiwork"?

 

[Seeker1066]

Thank you for these ayat. Why do you think Allah left it until Muhammad's day to warn mankind that wine is "Satan's handiwork"?

Perhaps the time had come. Both the Jews and Christians had warnings against alcohol abuse. Muhammad(Pbuh) was sent to correct errors that had crept into Judaism and Christianity. Perhaps God felt this was the correct time to prohibit alcohol. I see his gradual prohibition as a wise way to not drive away Muslims until they were steadfast in the faith as this was a hard teaching for many. This is just my opinion however.