why are the muslims losing if islam is the truth?

[aqonsi]

remember Loosing Hope is Defeat

i go by what i see, and i see the muslims in the lower hand and the kufar have the upper hand.

we r losing everywhere in the world.

and yet we r told allah gives us victory. but where? i don't see any victory?

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Do you not see that Prophet Noah called the people to Islaam for 950 years?

Don't you see that it took Moses many years till the Children of Isra'eel were free?

Do you not see that the it took 12 years for the companions of the Messenger of Allaah to feel secure from any attacks from the enemies? Within these years they faced the battles of badr, uhud, ahzaab and more?

Do you not see how the Muslims in spain were given a kingdom, yet today you see no muslim in spain who can link their lineage back to the spains of that time? Why? Because lots of the spanish muslims turned away from the religion of Allaah.


Allaah will only bless us with victory when we show that we are fit enough to handle it.

 

[waji]

Real victory is not in this world that belongs to Akhirat
In this world we will only get victory if we follow the Quran and Sunnah in right way but we don't have to be desperate for it and second and most important thing if victory is ur Goal here then what Akhirat is about and why want Akhirat

 

[rav]

Be sure of your final destination, in case you are going the wrong way

it is like that lion is moving foward on a walk way that is moving the other way, (like those ones in the airports.)

 

[aqonsi]

:salamext:


Muslims being harmed is bad, being defeated fits under alot of categories which i said i would post later inshaa'Allaah.

Defeat & Victory have more meanings than what we have simply heard. And an example I gave was when a muslim who is killed for the sake of Allaah; while to the disbeliever it seems like victory, yet the believer gains victory because he has gained a high rank in paradise inshaa'Allaah.

I never said defeat was always a good thing, what i've stated is that victory and defeat have more meanings than what you may have simply heard of. Therefore what may seem as defeat to you may not be defeat according to Islaam.


And Allaah knows best.

did you make the thread yet?

 

[Woodrow]

All too often we fail to see victory in what we call defeat. Some of the worse defeats can be our greatest victory. It all depends on how we stand up to them.

When we meet defeat with hate and not with controlled anger, we have lost much. We can turn the largest lose into a great victory simply by our actions after wards.

It is easy to remain strong and faithfull in the face of mighty victory. It takes much more to stay faithfull in the face of loss, hardships and condemnations.

 

[- Qatada -]

did you make the thread yet?

:salamext:


Download this book E-Book inshaa'Allaah:

http://download.yousendit.com/C571029E5387CEC5



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Open up the chapter:

VI. Sixth Constant: The definition of defeat 57

• First meaning of defeat: following the way of al Kuffar 58

• Second meaning of defeat: accepting al Kuffar’s Supremacy 59

o The difference between Mudahanaa and Mudaarah 61

• Third meaning of defeat: inclination towards al Kuffar 61

• Fourth meaning of defeat: obeying al Kuffar 62

• Fifth meaning of defeat: to loose hope 62
Thawaabit ‘ala darb al Ji-had (Constants on the Path of Ji-had)

• Sixth meaning of defeat: giving up the banner of Ji-had 63

• Seventh meaning of defeat: giving up hope on military victory 63

• Eighth meaning of defeat: fear of the enemy 63
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[sagal-islam]

salam i think before we were united and listen to our prophet what we need to day is that we should come togather and decide what is good for our religion thats my answer THANKZ IF I AM WRONG ALLAH forgive me in sha allah

 

[ruhi]

salam..
have patience brother aqonsi.....Allah loves those who seek His help through patience & salah. if its a defeat in one way then its a victory on the other way......like since the september 11 attack more & more people are embracing Islam. people wants to know what Islam is all about. so the light of Islam is rising!! Allah did promise us victory & before that all that has been preordained by Allah shall come to pass wether we wanted it to or not.

"then whosoever wills let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve"
(Qur'an 18:29)

 

[aamirsaab]

i go by what i see, and i see the muslims in the lower hand and the kufar have the upper hand.

that's mainly because the "kafir" like to bomb the crap out of muslims and similarly like to fund their armies. It could also (just maybe, by chance) be because of the fact that the "kafir" take their education more seriously (overall) and so have the intelligence which acts as the upper hand?

we r losing everywhere in the world.

Depends on how you look at it.

and yet we r told allah gives us victory. but where? i don't see any victory?

You're alive, aren't you?

And to reiterrate bro fisab's points: victory and defeat have much more meaning than most of us realise - a victory isn't neccessarily instant, it can refer to effects that happen over time. Same applies to defeat. Think in long terms - has any real good come out of the defeats of muslims?

 

[FBI]

Mentally? nope.

Sadly the reason were losing physically is beacuse we're sinning, we have brought these problems on our selfs until we change our selfs allah won't lift the humiliation from our heads, mentally muslims are also losing, just look at iraq, we have entered into another state of Jahiliya.

 

[Nawal89]

reading this thread makes me remember the hadeeth i read the other day..I dont remember the exact wording, but it goes along the lines of :" The time will come when the muslims will use riba (interest) and they will love this dunya, and leave jihad in the way of Allah, Allah will then send down a opression over them, and he will not remove it until the muslims return to practicing their religion"

Loads of people today claim their muslim yeah, But you dont see them doing much to prove it.

 

[- Qatada -]

reading this thread makes me remember the hadeeth i read the other day..I dont remember the exact wording, but it goes along the lines of :" The time will come when the muslims will use riba (interest) and they will love this dunya, and leave jihad in the way of Allah, Allah will then send down a opression over them, and he will not remove it until the muslims return to practicing their religion"

Loads of people today claim their muslim yeah, But you dont see them doing much to prove it.

:salamext:


This is the statement of the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu ’alayhi wa sallam):

"If you indulge in ’eenah [a form of riba/interest] transactions when trading and you start to hold on to the tails of cattle and you are satisfied to concentrate only upon farming and you have abandoned Ji-haad in the Cause of Allaah, Allaah will cast a humiliation upon you which would never be lifted from you until you return to your Religion."

Related by Aboo Daawood (no. 3462), it was authenticated by the shaykh (hafidhahullaah) in as-Saheehah (no. 11).

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/taqleed/sacred_salafee_methodology.htm

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