why are these stuff haram?

[vpb]

Wow, this thread is crazy. I just now realized that Agnosticism is worse then Atheism, you know there is a god but you refuse to worship him?! The same God that gave you life and can take your breath and leave you soul hanging in the middle of the skies and you still chose not to obey? You must be either Stupid or arrogant. Or both.

No sis they have lost their bicycles.
but why are u suprised? what's the difference between an atheist and agnostic? they both are kuffar. they are the same thing.

 

[Ra`eesah]

yea they are all Kuffar but there are different types like I know have learnt.

Hey no offence wilberhum, but do belivev what he belives aswell? You say that stuff too?

 

[vpb]

yea they are all Kuffar but there are different types like I know have learnt.

I know there are different ones, but that is going on detail. but in general there are two nations or whatever u call them.
the kuffar and the muslimeen.

 

[Sinbad]

I said it before and I will say it again, this forum is to active, A kufir has a lot to answer.

Il take some.

I know muslims do not worshipp stones, I said that to draw pararells to zoroastrians being fire worshippers, its all about symbolism.

And about the "scientific profs", All of them existed before Islam. Islam says that the earh is round, and you could not possibly know that before right?

Wrong, Native americans and persians knew that, so dit the greeks and romans.

Persian new year is all about astronomi, the new year is when the sun shines more then before, that is what ends the winter, so its diffrent time time days e tc, cause the earth is moving.

A lot of the science in islam was known before islam. A lot of its stored in the library of Alexandria the knowledge center. It was burned down by the muslims.

 

[wilberhum]

yea they are all Kuffar but there are different types like I know have learnt.

Hey no offence wilberhum, but do belivev what he belives aswell? You say that stuff too?

There are many, many different types. That is why generalizations are always wrong. :?
And when someone says "I Believe", I believe, they believe. :thumbs_up
Well except when they say "I believe that you believe". :skeleton:

 

[Woodrow]

Perhaps those of us who are Muslim do an injustice by using Arabic words when speaking with non-Muslims. It is true that we do want to use Arabic as often as possible. But, before we use Arabic words with non-Arabic speaking people it may be best if we explain what the words mean.

 

[mariam.]

This post might get deleted...

When Islam was created, the arabs united and started to counqer, they where far away from their water springs. The alcohol dehydrated it so they where told not to drink it,

comic ..

 

[Sinbad]

if there is no scripture, how do u know what type of life that creator wants u to live? please explain me.

This is intressting, so it deserves a single post. If you want it religous, another claim could be to meditate the answer. Another one, to starv yourself for enlightment et c. Others are ins cripture.

The answer, if it is one, Why would God leave it on earth? Why are humans so special? the universe is infinite, with infinite life. already been proven.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20020802a.html

thats where NASA tells you of Mars bacteria, thats not intelligent life but life still. And its our closest planet, imagine the entire universe.

Why in all of this should God tell us the answer in earth?

Is what Im saying confusing then it is you that have a pre determind mind.

 

[vpb]

And about the "scientific profs", All of them existed before Islam. Islam says that the earh is round, and you could not possibly know that before right?

Wrong, Native americans and persians knew that, so dit the greeks and romans.

Persian new year is all about astronomi, the new year is when the sun shines more then before, that is what ends the winter, so its diffrent time time days e tc, cause the earth is moving.

A lot of the science in islam was known before islam. A lot of its stored in the library of Alexandria the knowledge center. It was burned down by the muslims.

ok , let's assume that many things wwhich Qur'an says , people knew before? now should Allah put something opposite just bc greek or persians knew?
it's like you saying that LI is a forum, and now just bc you said LI is a forum, I have to make up something opposite and say , no LI is a computer. it doesn't make sense. so I also have to say "LI is a forum" independent of what u say. bc that's the truth. LI is a forum.
and Muhammed saws was an illiterate.
and let's not get in this type of discussion cuz we'll get off-topic.

There are many, many different types. That is why generalizations are always wrong.

And when someone says "I Believe", I believe, they believe.

Well except when they say "I believe that you believe".

No, generalization is not always wrong.

10/2 = 5 , 20 / 2 = 10,
but if we want to generalize this, we say that every even number divided by 2 , gives us the remainder of 0 (zero).

and there are two groups, believer and unbelievers. and it's nothing wrong with that.

 

[vpb]

Perhaps those of us who are Muslim do an injustice by using Arabic words when speaking with non-Muslims. It is true that we do want to use Arabic as often as possible. But, before we use Arabic words with non-Arabic speaking people it may be best if we explain what the words mean.

I understand you brother. but they know what a 'kafir' is. If they know about the stone in the kabba, they know what the word 'kafir' is. but as far as for using some other arabic words, yeah , it's true, they might not know them.

This is intressting, so it deserves a single post. If you want it religous, another claim could be to meditate the answer. Another one, to starv yourself for enlightment et c. Others are ins cripture.

The answer, if it is one, Why would God leave it on earth? Why are humans so special? the universe is infinite, with infinite life. already been proven.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pr...20020802a.html

thats where NASA tells you of Mars bacteria, thats not intelligent life but life still. And its our closest planet, imagine the entire universe.

Why in all of this should God tell us the answer in earth?

Is what Im saying confusing then it is you that have a pre determind mind.

This life is just a test. so the guidance is sent, so we live the way God wants, and we get the reward on the next world.

 

[Sinbad]

ok , let's assume that many things wwhich Qur'an says , people knew before? now should Allah put something opposite just bc greek or persians knew?
it's like you saying that LI is a forum, and now just bc you said LI is a forum, I have to make up something opposite and say , no LI is a computer. it doesn't make sense. so I also have to say "LI is a forum" independent of what u say. bc that's the truth. LI is a forum.
and Muhammed saws was an illiterate.
and let's not get in this type of discussion cuz we'll get off-topic.

Yes it is irrelevant if the entire world knew about the scientific proofs of islam. But it is still very relevant, cause muslims use it as a proof. When it cant be an argument for islam being the right way.

This life is just a test. so the guidance is sent, so we live the way God wants, and we get the reward on the next world.

How do you know that there is an afterlife? scriptures is all you got. Why put all your dices in one box? What if youre wrong?

 

[Ra`eesah]

Its not just about the sun, there are MANY more scientific proofs that were just "recently" discovered. Embryology for example.

 

[wilberhum]

Embryology

Every butcher knew those things. All you have to do is look.

 

[Umar001]

So Embryology can be studied at the naked eye?

 

[wilberhum]

So Embryology can be studied at the naked eye?

That is where you start.
Now of course if god whisper in someone's ear, then who knows.

 

[vpb]

Yes it is irrelevant if the entire world knew about the scientific proofs of islam. But it is still very relevant, cause muslims use it as a proof. When it cant be an argument for islam being the right way.

I have a book, it's about science and Qur'an, and the author is a Prim (higher than PhD), I just wish you could read that book, but it's not in english . There are things that he commented, that I don't think other people have even saw those things. And you would see how many things in Qur'an are told, which people knew nothing about them. but I just wish that book would be in English. I've never come across a single book like that. Now I don't want to get on that topic. unless you create a thread about it.

How do you know that there is an afterlife? scriptures is all you got. Why put all your dices in one box? What if youre wrong?

Allah az says in the Qur'an:

17:49. They say: "What! when we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?"
17:50. Say: "(Nay!) be ye stones or iron,
17:51. "Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (Yet shall ye be raised up)!" then will they say: "Who will cause us to return?" Say: "He who created you first!" Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, "When will that be?" Say, "May be it will be quite soon!


this is indeed a fact, for people who contemplate and have healthy logic. If Allah created u the first time, why can't he create u again??

 

[Umar001]

Nothing that is said to be haram makes any sence. Why should drinking be banned? It will only be replaced by stuff in the waterpipe, and the drug kat.

Do you see the problems that intoxicants make in society? Thus they are banned, does that seriously not make sense to you? Be honest.

And why should you blindly obey god? I know God exist but I choose not to follow him.

If allah says its haram, why should you obey it?

I live a life that would make your imam cry, and I love it. Why should I bow to God? Why should anyone?

It depends on what type of God you believe in, I believe in One who wants the best for us, so it makes sense to follow Him.

And about the "scientific profs", All of them existed before Islam. Islam says that the earh is round, and you could not possibly know that before right?

Wrong, Native americans and persians knew that, so dit the greeks and romans.

Please post me some further information, sounds interesting.

A lot of the science in islam was known before islam. A lot of its stored in the library of Alexandria the knowledge center. It was burned down by the muslims.

If it was burned down how do you know what it contained? If it was recorded and that is how you know then please show evidence.

Why in all of this should God tell us the answer in earth?

Do you believe we are on earth by chance?

That is where you start.
Now of course if god whisper in someone's ear, then who knows.

Do you mean the discription of an embroy can be give thorugh study under the naked eye? Me and you could butcher a woman and distinguish what part is what from all the blood then identify it all and then insticivly know which part is the embroy and then comment on it?

 

[wilberhum]

Do you mean the discription of an embroy can be give thorugh study under the naked eye? Me and you could butcher a woman and distinguish what part is what from all the blood then identify it all and then insticivly know which part is the embroy and then comment on it?

Give me a quote and let's see what happens.

 

[vpb]

Do you mean the discription of an embroy can be give thorugh study under the naked eye? Me and you could butcher a woman and distinguish what part is what from all the blood then identify it all and then insticivly know which part is the embroy and then comment on it?

yes, greeks, persians' eyes were different from us. they had microscope integrated on their eyes. didn't u know?

 

[vpb]

A) The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:

In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)...

1 (Quran, 23:12-14)
Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two2 as we can see in figure 1. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.3

Figure 1: Drawings illustrating the similarities in appearance between a leech and a human embryo at the alaqah stage. (Leech drawing from Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, p. 37, modified from Integrated Principles of Zoology, Hickman and others. Embryo drawing from The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 73.)
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The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is what we can see in figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.

Figure 2: We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

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Figure 3: In this photomicrograph, we can see the suspension of an embryo (marked B) during the alaqah stage (about 15 days old) in the womb of the mother. The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore, 3rd ed., p. 66, from Histology, Leeson and Leeson.)

The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

Figure 4: Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)
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So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.
The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.”6 (see figures 5 and 6).

Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)

Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.
(Click on the image to enlarge it.)

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How could Muhammad

have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad

). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7



source: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm