Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

[Keltoi]

You could also say terrorism is simply causin terror

You could say terrorism is killing civilians to instill fear to achieve a political objective.

 

[AhlaamBella]

You could say terrorism is killing civilians to instill fear to achieve a political objective.

Still terrorising. Such as, I don't know.....maybe bombing women, children and families to capture the leader of the country...Could that be terrorism?^o)

 

[Keltoi]

Still terrorising. Such as, I don't know.....maybe bombing women, children and families to capture the leader of the country...Could that be terrorism?^o)

It could be, if those that killed the women and children were intentionally targeting them, and by killing these women and children somehow helped with the objective of capturing a leader. I assume you are referring to Iraq? The oldest trick in the book is to place anti-aircraft guns in civilian areas in an attempt to 1. Stop the planes from targeting them, 2. To cause bad PR for the enemy when those civilians are unintentionally killed. Hezbollah also used this strategy against Israel during that little conflict.

 

[AhlaamBella]

It could be, if those that killed the women and children were intentionally targeting them, and by killing these women and children somehow helped with the objective of capturing a leader. I assume you are referring to Iraq? The oldest trick in the book is to place anti-aircraft guns in civilian areas in an attempt to 1. Stop the planes from targeting them, 2. To cause bad PR for the enemy when those civilians are unintentionally killed. Hezbollah also used this strategy against Israel during that little conflict.

Whoever used it, it's wrong.These leaders that believe they are doing everyone a favour, need to wake up and quit dreaming. If they want their names to go down in history as heroes, then they need to save people NOT slaughter them

 

[Keltoi]

Whoever used it, it's wrong.These leaders that believe they are doing everyone a favour, need to wake up and quit dreaming. If they want their names to go down in history as heroes, then they need to save people NOT slaughter them

Couldn't agree more.

 

[AhlaamBella]

Couldn't agree more.

lol thank you

 

[Darkseid]

Religious thus act as a means to gather people together under the oppressive mind of their leader. Just look at Saudi Arabia for example. Certainly if the king of Jordan was ruling, you would think that the people would have more right or at least some right to begin with for starters. LOL!

Also the King of Saudi Arabia is the self-proclaimed war chief of Islam. Therefore he is Islam at least in his own mind with all do respect. Same you could say about Osama Bin Ladin.

Bin Ladin is a religious leader and his followers follow his religion, therefore it his faith that is responsible just as much as he is about the actions that have been made from his cult.

 

[Uthman]

One Muslim says in means AAA and another Muslim says it means ZZZ. Who am I to say who is right and who is wrong? :hiding: :hiding:

The one who does not just lift a single verse out of the text without looking at it's context first - whether that context is historical or whether simply looking at the preceding verse and the verse after.

 

[KAding]

The one who does not just lift a single verse out of the text without looking at it's context first - whether that context is historical or whether simply looking at the preceding verse and the verse after.

But it's usually not that simple, is it? Fatwas by definition cite or refer to certain verses in the Qu'ran or from the Hadiths. Yet, one still say A and the other B.

Take a simple question whether it is allowed to visit a wedding in a church as a Muslim:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=6992&ln=eng&txt=church
Answer:
You are doing the right thing by not attending the religious service in the church, because taking part in religious proceedings of non-Muslims is, at the very least, a major sin, and could lead to kufr.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545248
Based on this, we can say that a Muslim is allowed to attend the wedding of his/her non-Muslim relative, held in a church so long as this attendance does not involve participating in any haram action. This means that a Muslim is not allowed to repeat the hymns said by the priest or other non-Muslims, for that goes against the main precepts of Islam.

So which one is right?

And about a rather fundamental question whether you can be friends with non-Muslims, a ruling that can have enormous impact on your life:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=11793&ln=eng&txt=non-Muslim friends
With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543362
The Qur'an does not say that non-Muslims cannot be Muslims' friends, nor does it forbid Muslims to be friendly to non-Muslims. There are many non-Muslims who are good friends of Muslim individuals and the Muslim community. There are also many good Muslims who truly and sincerely observe their faith and are very friendly to many non-Muslims at the same time.

So disavow non-Muslims are keep them as friends?

It all seems very contradictory and confusing. Both cite the Qu'ran and the Sayings of the Prophet, yet they appear to be reaching different conclusions? So who is right? I don't want to start a discussion about these topics, I just wonder how exactly you, as a Muslim, know which one to follow?

 

[Darkseid]

So disavow non-Muslims are keep them as friends?

It all seems very contradictory and confusing. Both cite the Qu'ran and the Sayings of the Prophet, yet they appear to be reaching different conclusions? So who is right? I don't want to start a discussion about these topics, I just wonder how exactly you, as a Muslim, know which one to follow?

Some Muslims are really good friends, but do keep in mind that only Northern Malaysian on this thread thus far has shown the nature of mutual respect needed from a muslim to be considered a friend to a non-muslim.

Can any other muslim here show the same attributes?

 

[wilberhum]

The one who does not just lift a single verse out of the text without looking at it's context first - whether that context is historical or whether simply looking at the preceding verse and the verse after.

So how do I do that? Keep my Quran handy and every time someone quotes something go read what comes before and after what they say.
Then go to a scholar for the true meaning? But there are Imams that teach hate, what if I end up with on of them?
Do I just try to figure it out my self?
Woops, I forgot I don't read Arabic. So a corrupted English version could lead me in the wrong direction.

And some how you think I’m going to spend my days trying to figure out what is “The Truth” when I truly believe that no one has it?

 

[silkworm]

Keltoi, denying justice to someone "could" became a cause for it, that's how people kill each other or beat up others. I am sure that denying the above said "causes" should also be considered as Injustice, right???

 

[Keltoi]

Keltoi, denying justice to someone "could" became a cause for it, that's how people kill each other or beat up others. I am sure that denying the above said "causes" should also be considered as Injustice, right???

By using terrorism you are denying justice to somebody else, thereby losing any high moral ground you might have had because of a certain injustice.

 

[Idris]

So how do I do that? Keep my Quran handy and every time someone quotes something go read what comes before and after what they say.
Then go to a scholar for the true meaning? But there are Imams that teach hate, what if I end up with on of them?
Do I just try to figure it out my self?
Woops, I forgot I don't read Arabic. So a corrupted English version could lead me in the wrong direction.

And some how you think I’m going to spend my days trying to figure out what is “The Truth” when I truly believe that no one has it?

This is not a Quiz show or Game shows were your asked is Islam an evil Religion?
Don’t beat around the bush look for answer’s that you know.

 

[wilberhum]

This is not a Quiz show or Game shows were your asked is Islam an evil Religion?
Don’t beat around the bush look for answer’s that you know.

I do! That's the whole point.

 

[silkworm]

Keltoi, You are again denying to accept the "rationale" that made West a great power. It was the "rational" that brought them at the prime of industrial development.

Meaning, every "action" has its "reaction" and you are basing your assumptions on 'reactions" and not on "actions"???

You need to know the casue of this madness, don't you think???

 

[Keltoi]

Keltoi, You are again denying to accept the "rationale" that made West a great power. It was the "rational" that brought them at the prime of industrial development.

Meaning, every "action" has its "reaction" and you are basing your assumptions on 'reactions" and not on "actions"???

You need to know the casue of this madness, don't you think???

If you are attempting to get me to blame the entire situation on Israel I'm not going to take the bait. Yes, the formation of Israel caused many problems, but the constant cycle of violence we see today isn't entirely an Israeli responsibility.

 

[silkworm]

Nay, Keltoi, you are getting it all wrong. I was saying that it was the "rationale" to oversee things the other way, and that opened the door of "Industrial Developement" to the Western Europeans.

Men are very different Bro, some over certain injustice done to them, sleep over it, some carry it to the streets and some have different objectives.

United Nations is pending 72 Resolutions against Israel that were Vetoed by USA alone, being a great nation who tirelessly supports and speaks of Human Rights and Justice, USA sided with Israelis that pissed off a lot of Arab nations, So Bro, this actually was the cause behind it.

Israelis terrotized the local population right after the Aliyahs of 'White Jews" in Eretz Israel, these were mainly Eastern European Jewry who had offensive behavior against Arabs, while the Sephardim Jewry was not that ofensive to local arabs. Spo this actually add fuel to fire.

 

[wilberhum]

Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

Because some Muslims say things like

They have no respect for our religion and our shariat, why should we respect their lives?

Whether to kill the prisoners or not is a tricky issue, on one hand they propogate their false gods and false religion, and apostasy is punishable by death in Islam.

So what conclusion can I come to? Kill and give no tolerance to people of different beliefs?

 

[Muezzin]

We seem to be straying from the topic, mateys.

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