Why can't atheists just be wrong?

[Pygoscelis]

You also laughed when I taught you that atheism isn't growing.

Until I proved otherwise, with scientific facts. Then you just started ignoring me.

Still waiting on an answer to this:

And I am still waiting for your point. So what if Islam is vastly higher in numbers than the non-religious? What do you think that proves? Nobody said otherwise before you made that post, and still nobody has, so we have to wonder why you push it as if it makes some sort of point?

Also curious why you equate search term usage numbers or to popularity or even interest. This is a silly game you play.

I can't say that I have ever googled "atheist". I bet most atheists haven't. Why would they? We know what it is. Its a silly game you play. Check out the same google trend search for "Gay Marriage"... which we know has been rising drastically in numbers. See the one spike in 2015, and absolutely no other rise in searching? Searching actually ends lower than it starts; and yet we know it is on the rise in number in reality.

And then you lied about this:

Anyway, I am done with this thread.

You came back to whine that we are ignoring you. Of course we ignore you. Why would we take you seriously given the above? Perhaps try to actually make a point or argument like Search has above and you may get some attention.

 

[M.I.A.]

it will happen sooner or later.

people affect reality all the time.. distort all that is around them.

although i cant imagine anybody walking on water.

..personally i cant even swim so theres that.

dude needs a phone to be heard on the other side of the planet pppfff.

...lucky nobody is schizophrenic.


lets not talk about angels and stuff.. made out of light? hows that ever gonna work?


there is more to the place than meets the eye.. but like you said.. you just dont see it.

why would you want to?


also john wick is kinda good..

but i feel bad for mr reeves hes been through a lot.

 

[Pygoscelis]

dude needs a phone to be heard on the other side of the planet pppfff.

No No No. He doesn't need the phone. The phone needs him. Or it is a metaphor or something. You know how this stuff works....

 

[M.I.A.]

we only have concepts or ideas based upon our own experiences and imagination.

its like listening to new rappers.. if thats your thing..

im different.

my life and experiences are different.

im better.

i have seen some stuff im tellin you.

etc etc..

if you want to freestyle a line dance then thats ok.


its funny because some people rather not be seen.

maybe thats what athiesm is..

lost for words really.

 

[jabeady]

OK, you're relapsing into unintelligibility.

 

[Reminder]

Still waiting on an answer to this:



Also curious why you equate search term usage numbers or to popularity or even interest. This is a silly game you play.

I can't say that I have ever googled "atheist". I bet most atheists haven't. Why would they? We know what it is. Its a silly game you play. Check out the same google trend search for "Gay Marriage"... which we know has been rising drastically in numbers. See the one spike in 2015, and absolutely no other rise in searching? Searching actually ends lower than it starts; and yet we know it is on the rise in number in reality.

And then you lied about this:



You came back to whine that we are ignoring you. Of course we ignore you. Why would we take you seriously given the above? Perhaps try to actually make a point or argument like Search has above and you may get some attention.

Yes, I said I was done with the thread. Since then I've made some more posts.

I thought I was done with the thread. Thoughts are deceiving.

However, at that time I did not feel that anyone would try questioning Google data authenticity.

I felt that you'd be able to admit that you had thought atheism was growing worldwide. Admit it you thought so.

 

[Pygoscelis]

However, at that time I did not feel that anyone would try questioning Google data authenticity.

I'm not questioning its authenticity. I'm questioning your nonsequitor. You seem to think this data on google searches reflects the number of atheists in the world. Why?

And why do you find it so important? I don't care one way or the other. You do. Why do you? You think it makes some bigger point. Out with it.

Until you actually make your actual point, I'll go back to ignoring you.

 

[Karl]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



*Raises hand*

I'm a liberal. And I don't think any of those adjectives describe me.

From where are you getting this?

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

The major liberal progressive nations have massive military power, including vast amounts of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. The Muslim nations that are not poodles to the liberals e.g. Taliban and a few rag tag militia have pea shooters. So if the liberals have all the power, they will destroy each other for world supremacy. They are killing Muslims as a training exercise and refining their technology. They are gearing up for something big. This Islam paranoia is just a smoke screen by the media and governments so they can rationalize such massive military spending and surveillance. And you may wonder, if liberals believe everybody is equal, why fight each other? Well, some are more equal than others.

 

[Reminder]

I'll go back to ignoring you.

____________Hmm...

 

[kritikvernunft]

a lot of people believe a lot of things. if there is any benefit in doing so is another matter.

Islam itself, however, is incredibly useful. Since it is a religion, it is seriously hard to attack or to criticize. No government in the world would dare to do that. They will say that they have a problem with "radical Islam" but they will not dare to say that they have a problem with Islam in general. Just from the top of your hat, you can easily derive two very useful rules from Islam. One: there is only one legitimate lawmaker, and that is not the politicians, This encourages you to ignore their man-made laws. Two: the wife shall obey to the husband; which means that you can happily keep reproducing and have children, while the atheists have simply lost that ability. Furthermore, no matter how atheists keep begging, Islam will never overrule or abrogate these rules. These views are non-negotiable, while they are also backed by around 1.5+ billion people whom these politicians do not dare to infuriate. I will never recognize political man-made law as legitimate, and I will never agree that wives would not have to obey to their husbands. Not only there is absolutely no value for me in doing that -- that is already one good reason for me not to do it -- but these views are backed by powers that insurmountable for atheists, as long as the believers keep believing. For someone who wants to defend this kind of views successfully against an entire coalition of governments, what other instrument would there be available to do that, except for Islam?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Islam itself, however, is incredibly useful. Since it is a religion, it is seriously hard to attack or to criticize. No government in the world would dare to do that. They will say that they have a problem with "radical Islam" but they will not dare to say that they have a problem with Islam in general. Just from the top of your hat, you can easily derive two very useful rules from Islam. One: there is only one legitimate lawmaker, and that is not the politicians, This encourages you to ignore their man-made laws. Two: the wife shall obey to the husband; which means that you can happily keep reproducing and have children, while the atheists have simply lost that ability. Furthermore, no matter how atheists keep begging, Islam will never overrule or abrogate these rules. These views are non-negotiable, while they are also backed by around 1.5+ billion people whom these politicians do not dare to infuriate. I will never recognize political man-made law as legitimate, and I will never agree that wives would not have to obey to their husbands. Not only there is absolutely no value for me in doing that -- that is already one good reason for me not to do it -- but these views are backed by powers that insurmountable for atheists, as long as the believers keep believing. For someone who wants to defend this kind of views successfully against an entire coalition of governments, what other instrument would there be available to do that, except for Islam?

Islam heralded as a tool to prop up despotism and misogyny. There's an honest approach.

 

[Reminder]

Islam heralded as a tool to prop up despotism and misogyny. There's an honest approach.

On behalf of the community, we really would like to help you.

As I've stated, I will no longer participate in the debate.

In your own words, you would rather be ignorant.

 

[kritikvernunft]

Islam heralded as a tool to prop up despotism and misogyny. There's an honest approach.

The despot that you are referring to, is the One God, Allah. We are utmost pleased with Allah, the Most Merciful, as our despot. We do not want any other despot than him. Concerning misogyny, since the fertility rate of so-called non-mysogynists -- say feminists -- is collapsing spectacularly, and since they simply fail to reproduce from generation to generation, then the question is what would be the point in being a feminist? Isn't the proof just in the pudding? The feminists are going the way of the dinosaur. Seriously, all of this is Jurassic Park all over again! ;-)

 

[Reminder]

The despot that you are referring to, is the One God, Allah. We are utmost pleased with Allah, the Most Merciful, as our despot. We do not want any other despot than him. Concerning misogyny, since the fertility rate of so-called non-mysogynists -- say feminists -- is collapsing spectacularly, and since they simply fail to reproduce from generation to generation, then the question is what would be the point in being a feminist? Isn't the proof just in the pudding? The feminists are going the way of the dinosaur. Seriously, all of this is Jurassic Park all over again! ;-)

Feel free to take over as bad cop.

I am officially, 100% done with this thread.

It has been a great ride, but I cannot take any more.

 

[M.I.A.]

Islam heralded as a tool to prop up despotism and misogyny. There's an honest approach.

lol almost got that one under the radar..

pretty sure thats not true.

terrible things have been done in the name of so many world views..

progress always has some sort of cost.

"progress"

if an increasing number of people identify as athiests..

then at some point im sure you will disagree with your public representation..

as an intelligent open minded individual.

would you still identify as an athiest?

because you would fully have to explain yourself often..


even the athiest would have to utter the words.. i believe.

..you could add further..

there is non worthy of worship..

half way there aint bad i suppose.

spent half a day asleep.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The despot that you are referring to, is the One God, Allah. We are utmost pleased with Allah, the Most Merciful, as our despot. We do not want any other despot than him. Concerning misogyny, since the fertility rate of so-called non-mysogynists -- say feminists -- is collapsing spectacularly, and since they simply fail to reproduce from generation to generation, then the question is what would be the point in being a feminist? Isn't the proof just in the pudding? The feminists are going the way of the dinosaur. Seriously, all of this is Jurassic Park all over again! ;-)

Does your being an authoritarian misogynist lead you to your religion, or does your religion lead you to being an authoritarian misogynist? And didn't you say previously that you are not a Muslim? You are still listed as religion other. I haven't seen an actual Muslim push and praise Islam for being despotic and misogynistic as you did in your post above, but you are saying you see it as a great tool for that? And you see that as good?

What do you mean by "So-called" non-mysogynists? Are you disputing that your demand that women obey men because they are men is misogyny? You prefer them barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen making you a sandwich? And you want to take complete control over their wombs from them so you can keep population numbers up? Is there a dire shortage of human beings on this planet?

 

[ardianto]

Islam heralded as a tool to prop up despotism and misogyny. There's an honest approach.

I am not offended by your statement. I just want to questioning kritikvernunft attitude that always talk in behalf of Muslims without knowledge about Islam and still describe himself as non-Muslim.

E]......
I know that as atheist you have a problem with Christians. But it's better if you do not insult Christianity in Muslim forum.

 

[Born_Believer]

jabeady said it in one sentence. If you don't have the patience to read my paragraphs, maybe you'll read that one sentence? The basis for atheism is the lack of basis for theism. Simple as that.

but thats an assumption, one which is very vague. Why do you invest such a large part of your life in a belief system in which you don't truly believe in anyway? Is that not counter productive?

In summary, you're an atheist just because. That's a very poor choice.

 

[Born_Believer]

[MENTION=38990]jabeady[/MENTION] I dunno if I missed it but I'm still waiting on you explaining about Sagan. I literally don't know anything about his atheistic theory so it would be nice to know what he said or wrote that made you go in that direction.

 

[Pygoscelis]

but thats an assumption, one which is very vague.

It isn't an assumption. It is a lack of evidence. If you have evidence, bring it forth. I mean something other than your own faith, an ancient book, and a bunch of people who believe what you do. I mean actual evidence. Make an amputee's arm grow back or spell your name in stars or something. Split the moon in half and put it back together. These things apparently could happen back before we could record them on video... not so much now. I wonder why that is....

Why do you invest such a large part of your life in a belief system in which you don't truly believe in anyway? Is that not counter productive?

First, atheism is not a belief system. It is the lack of a belief in Gods. That's all.

Second, I don't invest much of my life into it. I do take an interest in the phenomenon of religious belief and I do that from a sociological and psychological perspective. Wouldn't you if you were surrounded by people who believe in imaginary beings running everything and dedicate their entire lives to serve them? I think you'd be pretty fascinated by that too if you were not one of them.

In summary, you're an atheist just because. That's a very poor choice.

It is the only rational choice and it isn't really a choice at all. I see no evidence in a fantastic claim like Gods or Ghosts or Big Foot, so I don't believe they are real.

Unlike jabeady, I DO see you as delusional, and I have no qualms in saying so. You believe in an imaginary person and dedicate your life to him. If that isn't delusion, what is? I also don't take offence if you consider me spiritually blind or delusional myself to not see what you say is obvious.