Why can't atheists just be wrong?

[Reminder]

It can be if you want it.

We don't.

 

[Little_Lion]

We don't.

Some of us don't have a choice if we want to be social. When you're the only Muslim in 100 miles you tend to make friends of every persuasion, though you look for the best of each. I do count friends from Wiccans, Christians, and atheists, though.

 

[jabeady]

We don't.

Then why haven't I been kicked off of here?

And why does it happen everyday, in thousands of places with millions of people. And before you ask me for an example I'll mention college campuses across North America plus, I imagine, in Europe.

 

[Reminder]

Then why haven't I been kicked off of here?

And why does it happen everyday, in thousands of places with millions of people. And before you ask me for an example I'll mention college campuses across North America plus, I imagine, in Europe.

Hate to burst your bubble.

You haven't been kicked off here, simply because many members here secretly want you to convert. Stop your Atheist delusion, realize that we embrace you here, like your comments, etc. with a goal to convert you. Islam isn't as bad as you might have thought.

Otherwise, if you don't convert, you will never be more than a talking shadow here who *thinks he is important when he is not.

*Edit: I meant to say, thinks he is more important than he is. Of course everyone is important to a certain extent. Atheists just tend to think they are more important than they really are.

 

[Karl]

In fact, it does not matter who is the president; and it should not matter. It also does not matter who is sitting in Congress. What matters is that they must not be allowed invent new laws. The system can be corrected in a relatively simple way. It should have a Natural Law Council that verifies if any decision that comes out of the president's office or Congress extends, overrules, modifies or otherwise abrogates Divine Law, and then stop its implementation. At the same time, it should look at the entire body of active laws and on the same grounds throw out everything that is or could be in conflict with Divine Law. The Natural Law Council would not have any other prerogative than stopping, blocking, opposing, and arresting what everybody else is doing. It would not have any other power. From there on, I couldn't give a flying fart who becomes president or who exactly sits in Congress. It would not matter at all.

The USA is secular. The System is a Godless one. So the State dose not recognise Divine Law of any religion. It is "For the people by the people". Basically a Godless mob rule country. There are religious people living there but they are vastly outnumbered by Godless socialists.

 

[Reminder]

Some of us don't have a choice if we want to be social. When you're the only Muslim in 100 miles you tend to make friends of every persuasion, though you look for the best of each. I do count friends from Wiccans, Christians, and atheists, though.

You are right. I think it is a really strange topic. On one hand there is Mecca where Kufar aren't allowed, on the other there is your town where only 1 person (you) is keeping the peace of thousands of Kufar.

 

[Reminder]

The USA is secular. The System is a Godless one. So the State dose not recognise Divine Law of any religion. It is "For the people by the people". Basically a Godless mob rule country. There are religious people living there but they are vastly outnumbered by Godless socialists.

The presence of God is still very strong in the USA.

However, you are right that courts don't recognize Divine Law... even though you're required to tell the truth "so help you God" before testifying. ^o)

 

[jabeady]

Otherwise, if you don't convert, you will never be more than a talking shadow here who thinks he is important when he is not.

That's your opinion. Let's hear a few others.

 

[Reminder]

That's your opinion. Let's hear a few others.

It isn't an "opinion". Atheists have "opinions". Believers have knowledge. We don't make stuff up based on our individuality.

You don't like what I told you (truth hurts) now you want some others to tell you I am wrong. And they will.

It is like good cop/bad cop. At the end of the day, we are all in on it, and you are the subject. We simply want to convert you, period.

 

[jabeady]

Yeah, OK.

 

[Reminder]

Yeah, OK.

I was like you until realizing God is just that - real.

Then I discovered that Islam is a separate world (Ummah).

Forgiving everyone who enters otherwise wouldn't be possible man.

 

[Little_Lion]

Brother Reminder is right. We want to convert you. Full stop. End of story. We don't want to see you, or anyone, go to Jahannam. Leading people to the Truth is one of the main factors of Islam; if you have not learned that in your time here, then learn it now.

That being said, how each of us would go about it is up to them. Myself, I am of the opinion that we each walk our own road in faith and Allah alone knows where that path is going to take them. Allah did bring you here. Me, I would consider that a sign. But if you do not, that is your choice. But it is not going to stop me (or the others here) from relaying the Truth to you whenever we can, so that you have the opportunity to learn, and to act upon it.

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

That's your opinion. Let's hear a few others.

Even if you never converted, I'd still be happy to count you as a friend and also other non-Muslims on this board. Not incidentally, I have non-Muslim friends in real life.

My friendship doesn't depend on a person's religion or lack thereof but his/her character and whether I like the person enough to think that person is someone in whose company I'd be happy to see myself.

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

You don't like what I told you (truth hurts) now you want some others to tell you I am wrong. And they will.

It is like good cop/bad cop. At the end of the day, we are all in on it, and you are the subject. We simply want to convert you, period.

There's a strategy and conspiracy of which I'm unaware? Must not be a very good strategy or good conspiracy as I am not "in" on it as a co-conspirator.

Let me just say I don't think how we treat others should depend on what someone is but about who we want to be.

Yes, we do want all the best for everyone, and that includes from our perspective them accepting Islam if God wills.

Btw, if you're sincerely wanting to convert him, you're not dong a good job; you've been harsh with many on IB, including hard on him.

I'm not saying that because I'm a "good cop"; I'm saying that because I'm not a cop. Period. :statisfie

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

who thinks he is important when he is not.

All our non-Muslims are important and many times I value them more than our Muslim members because they're our guests and neighbors in real life; they each bring their unique experiences and flavor to IB from whom we can all benefit. And to be honest, as you can tell, I don't like the denigrative way you're talking to or about him; he's been nothing but nice, and at the very least, he deserves the same consideration from us.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his neighbor; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his guest."

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[jabeady]

That being said, how each of us would go about it is up to them.

Yes, I've noticed the various approaches, ranging from personal insult to friendship. Islam has quite a range.

Allah did bring you here. Me, I would consider that a sign.

Arguing, or even disagreeing, with someone who believes in signs, omens and portents is hopeless, so I'm not even going to try. Don't take my silence as assent, though; it's merely a recognition that argumentation based on magic is by definition unreasonable.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the dragon in the garage?

 

[jabeady]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)



Even if you never converted, I'd still be happy to count you as a friend and also other non-Muslims on this board. Not incidentally, I have non-Muslim friends in real life.

My friendship doesn't depend on a person's religion or lack thereof but his/her character and whether I like the person enough to think that person is someone in whose company I'd be happy to see myself.

Thank you. If I could be converted by anyone here, it would be you. [emoji1]

Wait! I see what you're doing! Aaarrrgghhh!

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Thank you. If I could be converted by anyone here, it would be you. [emoji1]

Wait! I see what you're doing! Aaarrrgghhh!

Lol.

On a serious note... Let me just say that maybe subconsciously what I say or do does play a part in how I want others to perceive me or Islam because it was stressed to me when I went from atheism to Islam that I'm the "ambassador of Islam." I don't know if conversion of others plays an equal role in my mind because I don't know for sure that it does; sometimes, I do consciously invite others to Islam. But sometimes not. It doesn't mean that others whom I don't invite to Islam are less or others are more, more of whatever that would make them something more; it really depends on the situation and opportunity and whether I'm so comfortable doing and whether I like them and what has been happening in the background of my life or others' and other things.

So, the real answers to the following real questions are:

Would I be happy if you accepted Islam? Yes, of course, because then you'd be more than simply my brother in humanity; you'd also be my brother in faith.

However, if you never converted, would I value you less? No, because you're a human being and I value you for the unique individual you are.

Your conversion or lack thereof doesn't affect your value in my eyes because that exists independent of everything as you're a creation of God and I see you and myself a result of divine blueprint.

Make sense, buddy?

 

[Little_Lion]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the dragon in the garage?

Carl Sagan. I love his writings. I could write a huge post with all the evidences of Islam and such but I would only be repeating what you have heard before, and I'm sure have to yourself, disproven. Not that I am blaming you for that! As I said I was an atheist myself. But I'm sure you get as tired of circular arguments as I do.

(That and I'm watching a really awesome lecture series on tawheed right now and I don't want to stop for any length of time. ;D)

Though I did have a dragon in my garage. My husband's nickname for years was The Dragon, and he was constantly tinkering with our well-past-retirement-age vehicles.

 

[jabeady]

Same here. I came here, as I said somewhere else (up top?) simply because I wanted to know more about a group of people that a lot of other people were blaming for everything that's wrong with the world. Just as a general rule I've never believed it either fair or honest to hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few.

I also could care less about converting any of you to atheism; if you're unable to doubt on your own, then there's nothing I can do to help. All I ask is that you vaccinate your children, and educate them to believe that the vast majority of people are good and decent, regardless of their religious views.