Why can't rich Arab countries take in all the Syrian refugees?

[Bosanac]

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

 

[*charisma*]

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

They do take them in. They are given jobs, free school, free healthcare, housing, etc. but they are not called "refugees." They are treated as residents.

They also are the ones who provide housing and camps in places like Turkey and Jordan.

Why they don't do more, I don't know. It could be due to political reasons, security reasons, etc. Allahu a'lem. But as an ummah, each person should do their part in helping the organizations which are already helping refugees. We can't always just wait on governments to do everything, and there are people all over the world who need help not just Syrians. Syrians are getting a lot of coverage, which is great because there are so many organizations dedicated to helping them already, but we forget that there are other groups in the world who need just as much help and unfortunately are not getting the same coverage/attention that they deserve.

 

[Akeyi]

gut question and i would like to add one if you allow.

There were babies who died while trying go to europe from turkey ?

Does this babies thought it was logical thing to do ?

They did not do anything.

Syrians who doesn't joing free syrian army or stay in turkey trying go to europe. But that is not the imporant part.

They are dying while going there. Europe doesn't want them. Some countries allows them to stay but they dont want to live there.

They risk their life . OK they risk their babies live to go to europe. It is wrong. Why dont they understand that is not the logical thing to do ?

To answer your question.

There is no ottoman empire. That is the reason. Noone since the fall of ottoman empire took the name STATE OF OUR PROPHET SAV. Because of this there is no leader since then. So they are weak because they are not ottoman empire. Ottoman empire was not weak because it was STATE OF OUR PROPHET. SAV.

AND MUSLIMS WHO LIVES IN INFIDEL LANDS MAKING THESE LANDS RICHER.
I SAW PEOPLE ASKING IF IT IS OK TO FIGHT IN INFIDEL'S ARMY.
WE GIVE TAXES WE PAY BILLS. WE INCREASE POPULATION. WE ARE BECOMING CONSRIPTED. WE ARE HELPING OTHERS. ALL THOSE THINGS HELP FOR A BETTER STATE.

RICH MEANS NOT POORER. THERE SHOULD BE RICH TO BE POOR. SO UNLESS IT IS CRUCIAL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE IN MUSLIM LANDS:

OTTOMAN EMPIRE DIDNOT LET STATE'S OFFICER'S EVERYONE WORKS IN STATE AND THEIR CHILDREN TO GO EUROPE NOT EVEN FOR SICKNESS.

IF THERE IS A CONDITION LIKE THIS PADİŞAH ORDER DOCTORS FROM EUROPE TO COME OTTOMAN EMPIRE.

BECAUSE THERE IS POSIBILITY TO LOSE FAITH.

 

[anatolian]

KSA, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, althogh provided a big amount of charity didnt accept any Syrian refugee. I also don't know why.

 

[hisnameiszzz]

Some of the refugees are coming to the UK and they are more than welcomed. Surely you will get haters like you will everywhere but so far in my immediate area, they have been welcomed and are being treated like normal citizens. It's sad that the Muslim community are taking a back seat and it's the Christian community that are really going out of their way to support and aid them but I guess that just goes to show the state of the Ummah!

As for Europe, you hear about these horror stories where these refugees are alleged to be attacking young school girls and what not, but whether any of that is actually true or not is beyond me. I think the "powers that be" were scared senseless that people wanted to help the refugees and were welcoming them with open arms that they have to put some "spin" in the media to create hostility.

But Allah knows best.

 

[Futuwwa]

If the Saudi government used those hajj tents to house refugees, what happens during the next hajj? Will the Saudi government be granted an internationally recognized, unconditional right to restore the status quo ante and discontinue the refugee housing should it choose to? I don't think so.

 

[Born_Believer]

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

The UK, one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest nations on the planet is only taking in 20 000 Syrian refugees over the course of 5 years...that number is not set in stone. In reality it could decrease with many being deported, especially if far right organisations keep pushing claims that Syrians like to rape white women.

However, the issue is not just Syria and where Syrian refugees are going. The refugee crisis affects Africa and south Asia more so than the middle east and it is the poorest countries on the planet who are taking on board these refugees. Is it not Pakistan and Lebanon who have the highest refugee populations on the planet? And pretty much every middle eastern and African nation has a refugee population numbering in the hundreds of thousands, with tens of thousands arriving every year.

Kinda puts a few thousand going into europe and the US into perspective doesnt it?

 

[Bosanac]

Aren't there hadiths that say sending others in your place to do hajj counts as if you too completed Hajj? Surely there are similar hadiths/justifications on foregoing a Hajj so that refugees, and Muslim refugees at that, can find safe haven...in the holiest place on earth too! And even if not, surely Saudi Arabia has the resources to expand these Hajj campsites.

 

[Bosanac]

My last post was a response to futuwwa, sorry I dont know how to edit a post on the forum yet :statisfie

 

[YahyaAE]

KSA, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, althogh provided a big amount of charity didnt accept any Syrian refugee.

This simply isn't true. As of 2011 the year the Arab Spring started the UAE provided at least 100,000 residency permits to Syrians, and that was 5 years ago, so it must be higher now. And given how small our local population is, this is a lot. This short video shows how much they are helping Syrians.

https://youtu.be/gI_hyHWHMVc

 

[hisnameiszzz]

The UK, one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest nations on the planet is only taking in 20 000 Syrian refugees over the course of 5 years...that number is not set in stone. In reality it could decrease with many being deported, especially if far right organisations keep pushing claims that Syrians like to rape white women.

That is just pathetic. The Syrian refugees we are working with are lovely people. They have nothing but are so generous it's unreal.

Just because some of them are numpties, doesn't mean they all are.

 

[talibilm]

So Islam is just in name in these Muslims countries who actually have to take them and its a duty of Islam on them to help their brethren. Thats how the Today Muslim Ummah is . Inshallah we are seeing those signs that Allah told in his Noble Quran that he will bring new nations who would love Allah and Allah will love them and they will not be like them (born Muslims)

 

[azc]

Muslim countries are too small to accommodate refugees in large number... Or their hearts are too small to accommodate the hapless people in their lands.

 

[azc]

KSA, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, althogh provided a big amount of charity didnt accept any Syrian refugee. I also don't know why.

because victims are Muslims....

 

[cooterhein]

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

I've heard that one of the main reasons Saudi Arabia doesn't want Syrian refugees is because Saudi Arabia is extremely anti secular (truly extreme) and the absolute purity of their anti secularism would be upset by the relatively secular expectations of the Syrian refugees. Even if those refugees are Sunni (and most are), they are too secular for the Saudis by Saudi standards. (And Qatari standards, and a couple of other oil-rich states).

Of course, this is secularism in relative terms. Turkey remains more secular than Syria is, and Germany (where most of them want to wind up) is way more secular than that. And by German standards, the Syrian refugees are generally not considered to be terribly secular, and that is one of the issues they're running into. It's funny how we're so short on Sunni countries with the right level of secularism (although Oman might be a good candidate if people could get there), and it's puzzling that Saudi Arabia doesn't aspire to be the right sort of place for Muslims in need. Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey- over and over again- find that it all falls on them.

KSA already is the special place of mandatory hajj, so it seems rather odd that they don't want to be a safe haven for all Sunni Muslims. Of course they're not going to be on the best terms with their Shia neighbors, and I'd expect them to have some issues with some Sufi and the more fringe groups. But the vast majority of these refugees are Sunni, for goodness sake. Are they really going to shut out refugees because they have the second- or third- lowest levels of secularism in the region, and that doesn't measure up to Saudi standards of complete and total anti-secularism?

Yes, apparently that is exactly how it works with them, as far as I've been made aware. And that is just egregiously unreasonable. They're going to sit there and say, Nope, we do not compromise on this. How dare you ask if we would move on this in any way. We say no, we forbid it, and that is all we're going to say. This is how Real Islam is done, so be homeless somewhere else, we cannot allow your ideas of (relative) tolerance and religious pluralism to permanently dwell within the kingdom.

For real, how uncompromising and unreasonable is that?

Here's a piece by Mohammad Ahmad on this very issue.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/72747230/?client=ms-android-metropcs-us

 

[Snel]

They do take them in. They are given jobs, free school, free healthcare, housing, etc. but they are not called "refugees." They are treated as residents.

They also are the ones who provide housing and camps in places like Turkey and Jordan.

Why they don't do more, I don't know. It could be due to political reasons, security reasons, etc. Allahu a'lem. But as an ummah, each person should do their part in helping the organizations which are already helping refugees. We can't always just wait on governments to do everything, and there are people all over the world who need help not just Syrians. Syrians are getting a lot of coverage, which is great because there are so many organizations dedicated to helping them already, but we forget that there are other groups in the world who need just as much help and unfortunately are not getting the same coverage/attention that they deserve.

Women and children were put in camps in the middle of the desert in the arabian peninsula with no running water. Saudis were gathering to "marry" their daughters for x amount of money for a week or two. Instead of helping them, or ask them to leave for that matter they attacked them. Jordan has forced christian missionaries upon the refugees in their country who force the muslims there to read up on christian literature. They're telling them to read a some chrisitan books to later test them if they actually memorized anything, if they don't they lose their homes. Turkey are using the refugees as a weapon against Europe to get political advantages there and even to try to enter the EU, which they have been trying to do for a very long time now.

By the way, all of these countries that you have mentioned, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Jordan are literally fighting the muslims of Syria together with the disbelievers.

So you've got the wrong picture about them. They don't care about the muslims, they are in fact enemies of muslims and are fighting them every day. The governments of Saudia Arabia, Jordan and Turkey are not our friends.

 

[anatolian]

Turkey are using the refugees as a weapon against Europe to get political advantages there and even to try to enter the EU, which they have been trying to do for a very long time now.

The refugees are not used as some M-16s against EU in Turkey. Laughing out loud. In fact they have even more rights than turkish nationals. Turkey have the most crowded refugee population with around 3 million and goes on to take more from Europe for some favors from EU.

 

[sister herb]

Syrian refugees in the region

More than 4.8 million Syrian refugees are in just five countries Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt:

Turkey hosts 2.7 million Syrian refugees, more than any other country worldwide
Lebanon hosts approximately 1 million Syrian refugees which amounts to around one in five people in the country
Jordan hosts approximately 655,675 Syrian refugees, which amounts to about 10% of the population
Iraq where 3.1 million people are already internally displaced hosts 228,894 Syrian refugees
Egypt hosts 115,204 Syrian refugees


The UN’s 2016 humanitarian appeal for Syrian refugees was just 56% funded by the end of November 2016.

93% of Syrian refugees in urban areas in Jordan are living below the poverty line, as well as 70% of Syrian refugees in Lebanon, 65% in Egypt and 37% in Iraq.

Conflict in Syria

According to the UN around 13.5 million people are in urgent need of humanitarian assistance inside Syria. The number of people displaced within Syria is expected to rise to 8.7 million by the end of 2016.

The 5 countries which border Syria (Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey) have closed their borders to people fleeing the conflict. Currently, 75,000+ Syrians are stranded in dire conditions along the Syria-Jordan border. Ongoing conflict in Syria, including recent attacks in Aleppo, will likely lead to more people trying to flee Syria.

Between January and September 2016, Syrians made up the largest nationality of those crossing the Mediterranean to get to Europe (26.2%).

International Resettlement

In total, 224,694 resettlement and other admission pathways have been pledged globally since the start of the Syria crisis, which equates to a mere 4.7% of the total population of Syrian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and Turkey.

At least 480,000 people in the five main host countries - or 10% - are in need of resettlement according to the UN Refugee Agency, UNHCR.

Key facts:

Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

Other high income countries including Russia, Singapore and South Korea have also offered zero resettlement places

Germany has pledged 43,431 places for Syrian refugees via resettlement and other admission pathways; about 46% of the combined EU total.

Excluding Germany, the remaining 27 EU countries have pledged around 51,205 places via resettlement and other admission pathways, or around 1% of the Syrian refugee population in the main host countries

Germany and Sweden together have received 64% of Syrian asylum applications in Europe between April 2011 and October 2016

Sources: UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR), Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), International Organization of Migration (IOM)

 

[Mustafa16]

The refugees are not used as some M-16s against EU in Turkey. Laughing out loud. In fact they have even more rights than turkish nationals. Turkey have the most crowded refugee population with around 3 million and goes on to take more from Europe for some favors from EU.

they are actually.....erdogan threatened to "unleash them" on europe if they don't give visa free travel to his citizens

 

[sister herb]

Women and children were put in camps in the middle of the desert in the arabian peninsula with no running water. Saudis were gathering to "marry" their daughters for x amount of money for a week or two. Instead of helping them, or ask them to leave for that matter they attacked them. Jordan has forced christian missionaries upon the refugees in their country who force the muslims there to read up on christian literature. They're telling them to read a some chrisitan books to later test them if they actually memorized anything, if they don't they lose their homes. Turkey are using the refugees as a weapon against Europe to get political advantages there and even to try to enter the EU, which they have been trying to do for a very long time now.

Can you show evidences for those claims? They sound like propaganda against those countries.