Why can't rich Arab countries take in all the Syrian refugees?

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Can you show evidences for those claims? They sound like propaganda against those countries.
Saudi Arabia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NRLkw1mEKU

These so called "marriages" of course do end up in abuse and divorce, as they weren't meant to last. What is going on is practically forced sexual relationships as well as prostitution with an Islamic name, the same as what is practiced by the shia.

Although this is happening among a minority, it is a problem that has to be addressed. These saudi men who go there to take advantage of defenseless muslim women in these camps must be exposed and eventually dealt with. The refugees must get real help, and the best way for that to happen is for the muslims to regain strength and to establish security in the region.

Jordan:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6d4_1376618939


Islamophobes tend to bring up the mistreatment of women in Saudi Arabia because they want to link that to Islam. Because Saudi Arabia has advertised itself as being a nation which follows sharia law, which is false. But there is a problem nonetheless, and it is not caused by Islam but by the hypocrisy of their government and a great number of saudis.
 
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The refugees are not used as some M-16s against EU in Turkey. Laughing out loud. In fact they have even more rights than turkish nationals. Turkey have the most crowded refugee population with around 3 million and goes on to take more from Europe for some favors from EU.

No I never said they were used as spies. EU countries have a refugee-problem. Turkey controls a substantial part of the flow of refugees to Europe.
 
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Women and children were put in camps in the middle of the desert in the arabian peninsula with no running water. Saudis were gathering to "marry" their daughters for x amount of money for a week or two. Instead of helping them, or ask them to leave for that matter they attacked them. Jordan has forced christian missionaries upon the refugees in their country who force the muslims there to read up on christian literature. They're telling them to read a some chrisitan books to later test them if they actually memorized anything, if they don't they lose their homes. Turkey are using the refugees as a weapon against Europe to get political advantages there and even to try to enter the EU, which they have been trying to do for a very long time now.

By the way, all of these countries that you have mentioned, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Jordan are literally fighting the muslims of Syria together with the disbelievers.

So you've got the wrong picture about them. They don't care about the muslims, they are in fact enemies of muslims and are fighting them every day. The governments of Saudia Arabia, Jordan and Turkey are not our friends.

Assalamu Alakum Wa Rahmatulah Wa Barakatuh,

May you please provide some sources and references that Jordan has Christian Missionaries forced upon the refugees?

Same with Saudi Arabia - I've read about Turkey using the refugees as a political bargaining tool so you don't need to provide any reference for that if you don't want to. Thank you.
 
That is just pathetic. The Syrian refugees we are working with are lovely people. They have nothing but are so generous it's unreal.

Just because some of them are numpties, doesn't mean they all are.

Of course it's pathetic but thats what the western powers try and portray, an image of all refugees, especially Muslim ones supposedly unable to keep their hands off the superior white race. SMH.
 
Turkey already had had so many refugees before the EU sstarted to complain about theirs. Then EU and Turkey made an agreement that EU would send their unwanted refugees to Turkey and give Turkey some favors including freeing the Turkish nationals from schengen visa requirement in visiting the EU countries. But they didnt stay true their words, as they never be, and still didnt give this right to Turkey. So, the president of Turkey simply said that if you go on like that we will send them back to you. Those refugees anyway want to turn back to Europe themselves. Still the Syrians are in a good position in Turkey
 
I've heard that one of the main reasons Saudi Arabia doesn't want Syrian refugees is because Saudi Arabia is extremely anti secular ...

Not sure it has got anything to do with secularism.

According to report published in September 2015, Saudi Arabia had taken in around 2.5 million Syrians since the uprising. See this link for details: http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/805236
 
One thing I don't understand is why do they flee from jihad? Don't Muslims all go to paradise when they die with their boots on in a fight for a Holy cause? What is the point of going to Europe or where ever, if you risk darkening your soul pursuing selfish desires? Ironically the Crusaders went through hardship and long travelling to kill the "infidels" to what they thought would cleanse their souls of sin and guarantee them a place in heaven. Why oh why do Syrians and other Muslims from foreign lands go to the Crusader lands? You can only expect hostility from the local races for invading their countries.
 
One thing I don't understand is why do they flee from jihad? Don't Muslims all go to paradise when they die with their boots on in a fight for a Holy cause? What is the point of going to Europe or where ever, if you risk darkening your soul pursuing selfish desires? Ironically the Crusaders went through hardship and long travelling to kill the "infidels" to what they thought would cleanse their souls of sin and guarantee them a place in heaven. Why oh why do Syrians and other Muslims from foreign lands go to the Crusader lands? You can only expect hostility from the local races for invading their countries.

Karl, these wars are orchestrated by Western powers. Why does the West not just leave the Muslim countries alone? It is we that got you out of your Dark Age, and into the Age of Enlightenment -- and you repay us by playing games in our land and destroying our countries, and murdering our innocent children, woman, and men -- for what appears to be for $$$ and political clout.

Even before the advent of Abrahamic religions, it was common courtesy to give shelter for refugees. This isn't a new custom, but one held by humans for a long time.

ISIS/Daesh/ISIL is a product Zionist-sponsored plans through the CIA.

And Allah (the most beneficent, the most merciful) knows best.
 
Karl, these wars are orchestrated by Western powers. Why does the West not just leave the Muslim countries alone? It is we that got you out of your Dark Age, and into the Age of Enlightenment -- and you repay us by playing games in our land and destroying our countries, and murdering our innocent children, woman, and men -- for what appears to be for $$$ and political clout.

Even before the advent of Abrahamic religions, it was common courtesy to give shelter for refugees. This isn't a new custom, but one held by humans for a long time.

ISIS/Daesh/ISIL is a product Zionist-sponsored plans through the CIA.

And Allah (the most beneficent, the most merciful) knows best.

Sorry, I prematurely attacked you, and that should have not happened. Please accept my apologies.

With that said, I still stand with what I said about western countries and western powers based on my understanding. And Allah (the all encompassing, the most beneficent) knows best.
 
Sorry, I prematurely attacked you, and that should have not happened. Please accept my apologies.

With that said, I still stand with what I said about western countries and western powers based on my understanding. And Allah (the all encompassing, the most beneficent) knows best.

Don't apologize that was very good. So can you answer me why Muslims in the East want to enter and live in the West? In the lands of the Great Satan and imperialists of the darkest order with an atrocious history of atrocities. Why do Muslims expect to be treated fairly?
 
Don't apologize that was very good. So can you answer me why Muslims in the East want to enter and live in the West? In the lands of the Great Satan and imperialists of the darkest order with an atrocious history of atrocities. Why do Muslims expect to be treated fairly?

Assalamu Alakum Wa Rahmatulah Wa Barakatuh Brother Karl,

There is a distinction between want and need to -- if no Muslim land accepts them (and most of them are puppet states of the West) -- where are they forced to go? You are correct to say that if they died in their land, they will most likely go to Jannah. If Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) had not chosen them to die there then must be a reason why they were allowed in the West. Islam is a global religion and I do think there is a reason why Muslim refugees may want to go to western lands - a good reason is to do Dawah and share their stories on how they got there. Any reasonable person would feel a level of remorse knowing that a group of people were forced out of their ancestral homeland due to a greedy group of powerful elite - even if they do not follow the same religious traditions.

Personally, I was born in the West and am quite frustrated with living here right now. My homeland has been in a state of Civil War, so it is not the safest place for me to go back to. I would prefer to live in either Makkah, Medina, or perhaps another Muslim-majority city (I do have issues with KSA, but the first two are Holy Cities, regardless of who controls them.) I would prefer to go now but it would not be permissible for me to leave under my understanding of Islam at the moment. In the meantime, I think the best thing is to find some internal peace and spread Islam in the best way possible (something I and am sure many other Western Muslims could do a better job at, while there are plenty of Western-based Muslims who do a good job at this already).

Also, these Western countries are choosing to treat their Muslim population poorly -- they are not forced by Iblis to harm us, it is their choice to listen to him and their own evil desires.

Just like we as Believers make the choice to be Slaves of Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) - there are times in all our lives that it would be easier to succumb to our dark desires, but we signed a covenant to try our hardest not to (and it is a strong and serious covenant placed upon all of us) so must constantly improve and reform our behavior. So part of the problem probably has to do with how Western Muslims act in these lands, but honestly, this is like the Chicken or the egg scenario imho. Do we place more blame on the oppressed for lashing out at times or do we blame the group doing the oppressing -- I would be more likely to place more blame on the latter, but that does not completely excuse misbehavior from the Believer. We are taught to be better, and we should act better as well in ALL circumstances because our religion is one of Success, and if we believe in that truly, we will see our Ummah do amazing things regardless of where we are.

Also, as a final point, I do disagree that the West is purely Satan's land. There are Western Muslims who reverted back into Islam after exposure from born-Muslims and other Muslims who travel to the West. Do these people not deserve the opportunity to be exposed to the Truth and have the opportunity to accept it? Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) created all of us, therefore, it is incorrect to demonize an entire group of people or an entire region. My criticism is towards to the powerful elite and the people who partner with them in spreading lies, discord, and sins - not the entire population. There are plenty of good-hearted people who live in the East, the North, the South, and the West.

And Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) knows best.
 
Assalamu Alakum Wa Rahmatulah Wa Barakatuh Brother Karl,

There is a distinction between want and need to -- if no Muslim land accepts them (and most of them are puppet states of the West) -- where are they forced to go? You are correct to say that if they died in their land, they will most likely go to Jannah. If Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) had not chosen them to die there then must be a reason why they were allowed in the West. Islam is a global religion and I do think there is a reason why Muslim refugees may want to go to western lands - a good reason is to do Dawah and share their stories on how they got there. Any reasonable person would feel a level of remorse knowing that a group of people were forced out of their ancestral homeland due to a greedy group of powerful elite - even if they do not follow the same religious traditions.

Personally, I was born in the West and am quite frustrated with living here right now. My homeland has been in a state of Civil War, so it is not the safest place for me to go back to. I would prefer to live in either Makkah, Medina, or perhaps another Muslim-majority city (I do have issues with KSA, but the first two are Holy Cities, regardless of who controls them.) I would prefer to go now but it would not be permissible for me to leave under my understanding of Islam at the moment. In the meantime, I think the best thing is to find some internal peace and spread Islam in the best way possible (something I and am sure many other Western Muslims could do a better job at, while there are plenty of Western-based Muslims who do a good job at this already).

Also, these Western countries are choosing to treat their Muslim population poorly -- they are not forced by Iblis to harm us, it is their choice to listen to him and their own evil desires.

Just like we as Believers make the choice to be Slaves of Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) - there are times in all our lives that it would be easier to succumb to our dark desires, but we signed a covenant to try our hardest not to (and it is a strong and serious covenant placed upon all of us) so must constantly improve and reform our behavior. So part of the problem probably has to do with how Western Muslims act in these lands, but honestly, this is like the Chicken or the egg scenario imho. Do we place more blame on the oppressed for lashing out at times or do we blame the group doing the oppressing -- I would be more likely to place more blame on the latter, but that does not completely excuse misbehavior from the Believer. We are taught to be better, and we should act better as well in ALL circumstances because our religion is one of Success, and if we believe in that truly, we will see our Ummah do amazing things regardless of where we are.

Also, as a final point, I do disagree that the West is purely Satan's land. There are Western Muslims who reverted back into Islam after exposure from born-Muslims and other Muslims who travel to the West. Do these people not deserve the opportunity to be exposed to the Truth and have the opportunity to accept it? Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) created all of us, therefore, it is incorrect to demonize an entire group of people or an entire region. My criticism is towards to the powerful elite and the people who partner with them in spreading lies, discord, and sins - not the entire population. There are plenty of good-hearted people who live in the East, the North, the South, and the West.

And Allah (the most merciful, the most exalted) knows best.

You have some good points but I don't think you understand the big picture. Islam is not really the Issue for a lot of westerners (even though many will pretend it's about Islam). It is that the silent majority of Europeans have a healthy racial awareness and don't want to be overrun by Africans and Asians. The real issue is a race turf issue. That's why you will sometimes hear news reports of white nationalists harassing not only Muslims but also Hindu from India and Christians from the Philippines and Mexico! It is a natural animal instinct to be territorial and pretty much racist, because of the threat of alien genetics tainting and genociding the locals through the degenerate act of miscegenation. I as a north European feel threatened by hordes of foreign races invading my country and simply don't want them here, just as I can equally understand that any Asian or African would not want hordes of whites invading their country. If things keep going on in the direction they are going with the cultural Marxists attempting to create multi racial "melting pots" the end result will eventually and almost inevitably lead to very serious race wars.
 
One thing I don't understand is why do they flee from jihad? Don't Muslims all go to paradise when they die with their boots on in a fight for a Holy cause? What is the point of going to Europe or where ever, if you risk darkening your soul pursuing selfish desires? Ironically the Crusaders went through hardship and long travelling to kill the "infidels" to what they thought would cleanse their souls of sin and guarantee them a place in heaven. Why oh why do Syrians and other Muslims from foreign lands go to the Crusader lands? You can only expect hostility from the local races for invading their countries.

Love for duniya and hate for death is what makes them flee rather then stand and defend their lands and people. Plus those running to the west think the west is their savior. State of the ummah will not change till this mindset changes.
 
This video breaks my heart into a million pieces. I wish I could bring her to my home, ya Allah imsad
 
Love for duniya and hate for death is what makes them flee rather then stand and defend their lands and people. Plus those running to the west think the west is their savior. State of the ummah will not change till this mindset changes.

What about the hijra to Medina? Or when the prophet pbuh sent his companions to Abyssinia? Come on now, think before you generalize. There are million reasons why they might flee rather than fight. Accusing them of weak faith is insulting.
 
Again, no one has yet addressed that the issue that Arab and non-Arab countries ARE taking in refugees, some by the millions. So does that not simply disprove the whole myth?
 
Again, no one has yet addressed that the issue that Arab and non-Arab countries ARE taking in refugees, some by the millions. So does that not simply disprove the whole myth?

I'm really glad to hear about that. But it does beg the question why they would then choose such a long and dangerous journey to Europe or north America instead. I'm sure they have their reasons, like family there or something, but it's just strange to me.

Also strange that I haven't come across any coverage about these Arabic countries taking in refugees. I would think they'd want to dispel the myth themselves.
 
I'm really glad to hear about that. But it does beg the question why they would then choose such a long and dangerous journey to Europe or north America instead. I'm sure they have their reasons, like family there or something, but it's just strange to me.

Also strange that I haven't come across any coverage about these Arabic countries taking in refugees. I would think they'd want to dispel the myth themselves.

You are assuming that Arab or Muslim countries have a say so on what appears in the western media. You are also assuming that the only refugees are from the Arab world. You are also mistaken in thinking that the journey across the Mediterranean is more dangerous than a journey through deserts and other warzones.

Do not assume my friend.
 
You're absolutely right, I am indeed making too many assumptions. In my defense though about media coverage, I just figured independent journalists or more reputable/neutral stations would at least contest what's in the mainstream media. I hear RT is pretty reliable for example, is it that not the case anymore? (Serious question, not rhetorical lol)
 

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