Why Christianity is False

[DAWUD_adnan]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings and peace be with you Talha777;

Whilst Christianity might be fake for you, I see the teachings of Jesus as a great inspiration. I did not read any of your post simply because of the title.

We are stuck with the same God, and the God who created you also created me. There is a great need in this world to look after God's creation, and that comes down to looking after each other despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric

Hi

I agree with you strongly that the title is not appropriate. I haven't even read his post yet.

Yes, the teachings of Jesus (Isa) are truly something worthy to be followed.
However, the teachings of Paul, which is the modern day Christianity, are false.

Isa said that he came to confirm The Law before him, letter by letter dot by dot.

But when Paul says something else, such as circumcision is not needed. He contradicts Isa, an open and clear reason why the teachings of Paul are false.

Again

Teachings of Isa(Jesus) are true, However Paul is an imposter and everything he brought was from himself, and he has nothing in the old scriptures to support his claims.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but what he says in that video is just rediculous and wrong. And I wouldn't take advice from anyone who says that Osama Bin Laden is following Islam.

Although this post is way off-topic, I must agree with Caroline. If Osama was indeed responsible for 9/11, then I too don't follow those who support him and what he has done as being representative of Islam.

The following is from a post that I made: http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ompareing-islam-christainty-7.html#post885432

My opinion is that there are some people in positions of authority that are misguiding some Muslims to do things that are not consistent with Islam, as I understand it. Fighting is indeed prescribed in Islam for specific justifiable reasons, such as to repulse an attack or to oppose oppression. Giving one’s life during such a struggle is an honorable deed in Islam with the promise of Paradise for the martyr; however, even the merit of this deed before Allah (swt) depends upon one’s intention. Muslims live and strive for the Hereafter and nothing has more value than that – not even one’s life on Earth.

However, my opinion is that these suicide bombers have been sold a “bill of goods” with false hopes. I believe that they will be held accountable before Allah (swt) for their own life that they took as well as the lives of the women, children and other innocent people that died as a result of their deed. Even more accountable will be the leaders and instigators of these atrocious acts.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

i think we should listen to the whole video first...before we make any assumptions.

Yes, it is not fair to judge a lecture on a single quote, but the title of the lecture "Is Terrorism a Muslim Monoply?" is not a good title. I watched most of the segments and saw that he pointed out terroristic acts done by others to show that Muslims were not the only terrorists of history. He skirts the issue that Islam and Muslim leaders are portrayed and perceived as promoting these acts as jihad, an integral part of Islam.

A better title would be, "Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?" This is a question that Muslims in general and Muslim leaders in particular avoid like the plague. I contend that suicide bombing, killing innocent women and children, and mutilation of dead bodies are not sactioned or approved as being consistent with the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (swt). In fact, I contend that the teachings of Islam CONDEMN these acts. As a respected authority among Muslims, Dr. Naik could have a major impact on how Muslims feel about terrorism and how the world perceives Islam - if only he would speak in light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah regarding this issue.

 

[Imam]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

What I'm suggesting is that the text is so suggestive it could refer to many things besides embryology.

such as?!

Because the Qur'anic text never claims to be about embryology?

Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance), then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!


may be your suggestive interpretation ,claims that the previous verse not to be about embryology,but instead it describes the stages of the embryo inside the bird'eggs


Peace[/QUOTE]

 

[czgibson]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,

such as?!

God creating humans in an abstract sense; god creating the first human; god's step by step instructions for making a human.

None of these necessarily has anything to do with embryology. If the word 'egg' appeared instead of the incredibly vague 'place of rest', that might be slightly impressive. In fact, if there were any indication of superhuman knowledge at all, that would be impressive. As it is, it's just a vague text containing nothing extraordinary whatsoever.

Peace

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance), then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

There's no ovum!oh: You gotta have an egg as well to produce a human being.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,

There's no ovum!oh: You gotta have an egg as well to produce a human being.

As an "embryology" text, it's certainly somewhat lacking, to put it mildly.

Peace

 

[Imam]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,



None of these necessarily has anything to do with embryology. If the word 'egg' appeared instead of the incredibly vague 'place of rest', that might be slightly impressive. In fact, if there were any indication of superhuman knowledge at all, that would be impressive. As it is, it's just a vague text containing nothing extraordinary whatsoever.

Peace

"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.Professor Keith L. Moore

"The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."



"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.E. Marshall Johnson Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance), then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

"Place of rest" can't be the egg.
1. A drop of sperm contains millions of sperm cells. Only one is "put" in the egg, not an entire drop, no matter how small (how small can it get to stop being a drop?)
2. How can a sperm cell be firmly fixed in the egg?
3. If "firmly fixed" refers to the zygote/embryo it is wrong as well, because it is not firmly fixed.

The rest is strange as well.

 

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,


God creating humans in an abstract sense; god creating the first human; god's step by step instructions for making a human.

None of these necessarily has anything to do with embryology. If the word 'egg' appeared instead of the incredibly vague 'place of rest',
Peace

Place of rest denotes the uterus not egg.. It isn't extraordinary to you, because you are either ill read and have no concept of the age of the book compared to what people knew at the time or the progress of science to what it is now in the 21st century!
One is curious if you've ever read the Quran at all to have any sort of deep discussion about it!

it was sometime in 1848 not a couple of centuries ago and in the civilized west that a man made the connection between washing hands and mortality rate of pts delivered by midwifery or a doctor service. It also took the death of Semmelweis' friend the pathologist Jakob Kolletschka for him to draw that conclusion. Something seemingly instinctive to the rest of the world.. and you find nothing extraordinary in the Quran .
You must be the dullest company with no sliver of imagination or wonderment in you.

cheers!

 

[czgibson]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,

PA: Thanks for your interest. Your support is always etc.

Imam: It seems you haven't read the article I posted for you. Read it, and you'll learn about the strange saga of Prof. Keith Moore and his fellow investigators. You'll also learn he hasn't become a Muslim, which is surprising, since it would seem to confirm that he doesn't believe his own words. Neither should you.

Here is the link once again.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,

PA: Thanks for your interest. Your support is always etc.

I am not supporting you, I mock you!

Imam: It seems you haven't read the article I posted for you. Read it, and you'll learn about the strange saga of Prof. Keith Moore and his fellow investigators. You'll also learn he hasn't become a Muslim, which is surprising, since it would seem to confirm that he doesn't believe his own words. Neither should you.

Here is the link once again.

Peace

attacking Moore's character seems like an ailing attempt to deflect from the subject matter. I read many books that I find truths in, doesn't mean I'll become a groupie!

I know, you don't know Arabic, and I can easily bet you haven't the slightest clue of embryology. All that is being done here is a sham of an argument, of which your strongest claim to fame is to character assassinate!

The Quran isn't meant as an embryology book, a physiology book, a geology book, or a neuroanatomy book. Yesterday I posted the latest research on using honey as an antibiotic for superbugs. And can easily say the Quran several centuries ago

'And thy Lord taught the (female)bee to build its cells in hills, on trees and in (men's) habitations..... there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for mankind. Verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought'.
(Translation of Quran 16:68-69)
it need not go into its antifungal, antihelminthic ,antiinflammatory antineoplastic properties for me to understand that that is what healing is for man kind. Is it vague? no I say it is very encompassing and very true!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22398921/

If you have something of substance to impart czgibson et al. then do so, if not then pls give it a rest, because I'll make it my busines to 'support you' whenever opportunity permits!

cheers!

 

[snakelegs]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Yes, it is not fair to judge a lecture on a single quote, but the title of the lecture "Is Terrorism a Muslim Monoply?" is not a good title. I watched most of the segments and saw that he pointed out terroristic acts done by others to show that Muslims were not the only terrorists of history. He skirts the issue that Islam and Muslim leaders are portrayed and perceived as promoting these acts as jihad, an integral part of Islam.

A better title would be, "Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?" This is a question that Muslims in general and Muslim leaders in particular avoid like the plague. I contend that suicide bombing, killing innocent women and children, and mutilation of dead bodies are not sactioned or approved as being consistent with the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (swt). In fact, I contend that the teachings of Islam CONDEMN these acts. As a respected authority among Muslims, Dr. Naik could have a major impact on how Muslims feel about terrorism and how the world perceives Islam - if only he would speak in light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah regarding this issue.

i agree - from all i've learned islam does indeed condemn such acts, but listening to some muslims, you would never guess.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Yes, it is not fair to judge a lecture on a single quote, but the title of the lecture "Is Terrorism a Muslim Monoply?" is not a good title. I watched most of the segments and saw that he pointed out terroristic acts done by others to show that Muslims were not the only terrorists of history. He skirts the issue that Islam and Muslim leaders are portrayed and perceived as promoting these acts as jihad, an integral part of Islam.

A better title would be, "Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?" This is a question that Muslims in general and Muslim leaders in particular avoid like the plague. I contend that suicide bombing, killing innocent women and children, and mutilation of dead bodies are not sactioned or approved as being consistent with the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (swt). In fact, I contend that the teachings of Islam CONDEMN these acts. As a respected authority among Muslims, Dr. Naik could have a major impact on how Muslims feel about terrorism and how the world perceives Islam - if only he would speak in light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah regarding this issue.

Quoted in full because I find this sentiment of MustafaMc to be so excellent. I honestly don't care what the books actually say etc, to me a religion is whatever its followers currently believe. And if they believe that terrorism is sanctioned by Islam then Islam is horrible and if they believe that terrorism is condemned by Islam then Islam is good.

 

[BlackMamba]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

So we are mud people?

The blood of all living creatures is composed of 55 percent plasma, which in turn is composed of more than 90 percent water. As opposed to 1400 centuries ago when the Qur'an was first revealed by God, today it is a well known fact that the major "ingredient" in the human body is water (a matter emphasized ONLY in the Qur'an and not in the Bible). It is further very well known that mankind is made from "dust" (when you place his body in the grave and leave it for a number of years, and the water evaporates, what form does his body revert to? Further, what is "clay"? Is it not a special form of water and dust? It is equally obvious that if God created everything then there must have been a time when everything we see was "nothing," including humans.

 

[BlackMamba]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

And you guys can hate on Zakir Naik all you want. But the fact is that he wins all his debates and he'd kill you in a debate also.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Quoted in full because I find this sentiment of MustafaMc to be so excellent. I honestly don't care what the books actually say etc, to me a religion is whatever its followers currently believe. And if they believe that terrorism is sanctioned by Islam then Islam is horrible and if they believe that terrorism is condemned by Islam then Islam is good.

For those interested, I sarted a new thread "Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?" as this discussion is way off-topic. http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/55376-does-islam-sanction-terrorism.html#post888913

 

[czgibson]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,

I am not supporting you, I mock you!


attacking Moore's character seems like an ailing attempt to deflect from the subject matter. I read many books that I find truths in, doesn't mean I'll become a groupie!

I know, you don't know Arabic, and I can easily bet you haven't the slightest clue of embryology. All that is being done here is a sham of an argument, of which your strongest claim to fame is to character assassinate!

The Quran isn't meant as an embryology book, a physiology book, a geology book, or a neuroanatomy book. Yesterday I posted the latest research on using honey as an antibiotic for superbugs. And can easily say the Quran several centuries ago

'And thy Lord taught the (female)bee to build its cells in hills, on trees and in (men's) habitations..... there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for mankind. Verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought'.
(Translation of Quran 16:68-69)
it need not go into its antifungal, antihelminthic ,antiinflammatory antineoplastic properties for me to understand that that is what healing is for man kind. Is it vague? no I say it is very encompassing and very true!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22398921/

If you have something of substance to impart czgibson et al. then do so, if not then pls give it a rest, because I'll make it my busines to 'support you' whenever opportunity permits!

cheers!

PA: Thanks for your interest. Your support is always etc.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Greetings,


PA: Thanks for your interest. Your support is always etc.

Peace

Bah...

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Bah...

lol!

It appears our troll is flustered with you not taking her bait.