Why Christianity is False

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

Yeah, but why clay instead of soil, earth, dirt?

There is a hadith here in the cyber counseling section I believe that I have seen it there, speaking of how exactly we were made of the earth.. any explanation beyond that is supererogatory and really by way of splitting hair..
you realize the Quran isn't meant to teach you geology or anatomy or any of the other sciences. It is meant as a guidance and a tool for mankind to reflect.. It need not go into any deep details of how as embryos we have two arotic arches , or the heart tube needs to twist upon itself 360 degrees so we don't end up with a transposition of the great vesseles.

As far as I am concerned it is positvely perfect on all grounds up to and including its poetic rhythm something extra that can be truly appreciated by those who speak or have learned Arabic. And even though most Muslims aren't native Arabic speakers, it is incumbent upon all to learn in the least what is needed to make prayers in original tongue!

cheers

 

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

If Europeans in the 16th century didn't know something, that doesn't mean that nobody else did. I am guessing that Egyptians had quite a knowledge of bees..

That is a finite detail. you'd need a mircoscope for that.. when was the microscope invented? I am quite familiar with ancient Egyptian and actually have extensive knowledge of hieroglyphics, much as I'd love to give them credit, given that Egypt is close to my heart, I haven't found any evidence of it...

Horrfying though to think the prophet spent his time between ancient grecian texts of galen and ancient hieroglyphics just to get people to worship God and get all that abuse for it.. seems nutty..


cheers!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

That is a finite detail. you'd need a mircoscope for that.. when was the microscope invented? I am quite familiar with ancient Egyptian and actually have extensive knowledge of hieroglyphics, much as I'd love to give them credit, given that Egypt is close to my heart, I haven't found any evidence of it...

I guess the gender can be detrmined in different ways...by seeing which bees inseminate the queen perhaps...
But it all seems that the gender of the honey making bees was not known before Muhammad. At this point I need an answer to the first part of my original question.

In some languages nouns have a grammatical gender - in some languages bees are females (by verbs, adjectives etc) eventhough there are male bees among them.
Is the arabic language different? Does the verse particulary state that the bees producing honey are female?

 

[جوري]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

In some languages nouns have a grammatical gender - in some languages bees are females (by verbs, adjectives etc) eventhough there are male bees among them.
Is the arabic language different? Does the verse particulary state that the bees producing honey are female? .

The verb and the noun have a gender in Arabic. In the plural the masculine is often used to denote both genders males and females. thus using النَّحْلِ alone would encompass both male and female bees.

To mean a female bee we would use

نَحْلَة ​

and that engenders the bee as a female but only addresses one.
To use the plural which would be used in both but to specify the gender you'd have to use a feminine verb. I am not an Arabic teacher so I don't know if you are on the same line with me?

Anyhow, in two consecutive verses where God repeatedly addresses the population of worker bees in the feminine and can be noted in these words. first اتَّخِذِي which is to say 'take' addresses the bee as a female as opposed to اتَّخِذِ which would be the masculine of that--
the next verse he states كُلِي which is the feminine (to eat), the masculine of that would be كُلِ then again فَاسْلُكِي follow as opposed to فَاسْلُكِ clearely it is understood we are dealing with the feminine. I don't want to make it any more complicated than this but hope it suffices as a reply

وَأَوْحَى رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا وَمِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ {68}​

[Pickthal 16:68] And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying: Choose thou habitations in the hills and in the trees and in that which they thatch;

ثُمَّ كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ فَاسْلُكِي سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلاً يَخْرُجُ مِن بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهُ فِيهِ شِفَاء لِلنَّاسِ إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ {69}​

[Pickthal 16:69] Then eat of all fruits, and follow the ways of thy Lord, made smooth (for thee). There cometh forth from their bellies a drink divers of hues, wherein is healing for mankind. Lo! herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect.


hope that was of help

cheers

 

[Malaikah]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake



Is it just me or has this discussion totally strayed from the original topic of Christianity?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

You are right Malaikah, it has strayed. And the real kicker is that I think i saw another recent thread on exactly the islamic miracle/science topic.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why Christianity is Fake

I have to agree with the past several posters. this thread is no longer about the original topic, if anybody remembers what that was.

When a thread strays this far off, it is obvious nobody is interested in the original topic anymore, or it has been answered.

Time to move on, nothing further to be seen here.