Why did Islam invade Spain?

[HeiGou]

how hipocritical is that! the french in this modern day and age, were ther is so called democracy, the french still are dicriminating against muslim, not allowing them to practice their religion, by wearing the hijab. the west such as AMERICA and BRITAIN hav invaded many countries, brutally killing and opressing people however many of the history tought in schools seem to avoid that, and make up a lot of nonsense! America and Britain however are still invading, BUT its for the war on TERROR not for the OIL! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:heated: :heated: :heated: :heated: :heated: :heated:

Not very. Perhaps it would be better if you read that thread before you go off on your own so that your post will actually refer to something I have said? The French did not ban the hijab in 1950.

 

[Rou]

Not very. Perhaps it would be better if you read that thread before you go off on your own so that your post will actually refer to something I have said? The French did not ban the hijab in 1950.

she never said they banned it back then she said they dicriminate back then and now...

why do you ignore the whole post and try to disprove one line?

hei gou your hatred is embedded with the divide that you belive exists between brothers that is your choice why not keep your hate to yourself!?

you have no real valid reasons for speaking on these subjects apart from the fact that they relate to muslims...

spreading hate is that your goal in life!? it will get you no where you strive to disprove things for the wrong reasons you even accept with open arms the british rule and ignore the suffering all of us went through just to prove the muslims wrong?

its a joke how far gone in hate can one be...

we all fought to free india and it belongs to us all... you have a prob with it well let it stir and breed hate in yourself stop trying to spread it...

 

[HeiGou]

she never said they banned it back then she said they dicriminate back then and now...

Of course she didn't. As I said, her post has nothing to do with mine. She ought to read the thread before replying.

why do you ignore the whole post and try to disprove one line?

See above.

spreading hate is that your goal in life!? it will get you no where you strive to disprove things for the wrong reasons you even accept with open arms the british rule and ignore the suffering all of us went through just to prove the muslims wrong?

I am neither spreading hate nor attempting you prove you wrong. What I want is for you to think. I live in hope.

 

[Rou]

Of course she didn't. As I said, her post has nothing to do with mine. She ought to read the thread before replying.



See above.



I am neither spreading hate nor attempting you prove you wrong. What I want is for you to think. I live in hope.

of course she didnt what? she did say that the french discriminate there and now that is what she stated..

anyhow you say you dont spread hate? by trying to disprove ones faith you help no one... you say you live in hope!?

for what? what is your hope that will happen?

a man is not weakend by faith he is strengthend...

a man is not more evil by true faith he is good...

a man does not lose his way by finding faith...he loses his way without it...

to make someone lose faith will not make them a good person 85% chance it will make them lose there way...

every human is my brother and sister do you hear me forcing islam on you!? do you hear me saying what you follow causes this or that? when a man rapes a woman in USA do i say all christianity is mad!?

when bush kills my people do you hear me cry christians are evil!?

faith is not the issue... its evil that is the issue...

its here and wether a man of faith or not stop it seek justice...

those who silence themselves and raise there voices only to protect the sins of the powerful are not only weak but stain there hands in the blood of innocent...

you want me to think!?

brother i think every living moment of my life...i think of the suffering of innocents that is caused for greed...and what could be achived if we all just opened our eyes...

do not waste time in proving disbelif in religon...use that time to prove there is evil and it must be stopped...no not one religon not one faith but those who do injustice...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

 

[HeiGou]

U dont need to start, coz u r not convincing any one. U know something I discoverd bout u, U like to label the sources or the writers u dont seem to like or agree with, by doing so u try to take away their credibility.

Well you do not need to listen to me. There is a vast historical dispute over that Victorian Holocaust book. I do not much like historical works by hard core Communists. And it is a poor book.

Anyways, I just dont know how could u deny the suffuring of a whole nation, Hindus n Muslims alike. Just bcoz u read few lengthy artical bout the British Invasion of India doesnt give u any right to do so.

I am not denying it. I am putting it in context. You all praise Muslim Spain, but what did it have that British India did not?

U keep saying again n again that Mughuls did this n that just coz they r Muslims. Well today I taledk to a very knowledgable person who read a lot bout The History of India from its ORIGINAL SOURCES. I asked him bout the Mughuls. I said is it true they were very oppressive rulers, n that they detroyed templs n all that? He said, thats a LIE. N he said, tell any one who says so to read books written by Hindu Historians to get the truth.

I don't think I do say it is because they were Muslims. Actually. Which very knowledgeable person? Aurangzeb built the aptly named "Great Mosque of Aurangzeb" on the site of the former Hindu Vishvanatha temple in Varanasi. And he destroyed the Keshava Deo temple at Marthura to build another mosque. Tegh Bahadur, the Ninth Sikh Guru, was tried and executed for apostasy under Aurangzeb as well. So tell me this is all a myth? He also, by the way, imposed the jizyah on Hindus as well. Which they did not much care for.

He added that the Mughuls kept record of almost every singel thing they did,

Well that is not true.

Real historians referrs to these books constantly to get information regarding the Mughuls n their ruling style. (the person who told me this read these books).

Obviously.

Hindu Historians themselves, write that they were much better during Mughul ruling than during the Brithis invasion.

Who, for instance?

Like i said before, watever the British did in India, the indian could have done that by themselves without the British.

And whatever the Muslims did for the Spanish, the Spanish could have done for themselves. Although the Indians did not, as it happens, do it for themselves. The British had to.

Where did u come up with this? No seriosuly?!!!
First u need to understand that there is a huuuge diffrence between DESTROYING and PRESERVING. During British stay in india, at minimum, out of 270 monument only 40 SURVIVED in Agra alone!!!! So can u imagin the scale of damage through out India?!!!!

Not monuments. Read it again. What damage? There is no sign that anything was knocked down, just that the British did not stop Indians building over them. The British preserved Indian monuments. They spent a lot of time and effort doing it in fact. Spending money. The Mughals did not. They only destroyed temples.

The Mughlas didnt destroy Hindu Monuments (of course other than individual incidents of injustice), unless it was built on desputed land.

Actually it was state policy under Aurangzeb and he issued orders for them all to be destroyed but of course it was not carried out. Individual incidents of injustice? We are making progress.

They also built Temples n renovated some wen needed. If they didnt preserve them how do u think they would still be there today?!

The Hindus kept them maintained. By themselves. Which temples did any Mughal apart from Akhbar fund and renovate?

I visited a very old temple in India, which was built way before the Maghul time, n inside of it, there were small statues protraying positions of the Kama Sutra....now if wat u say bout how Maghuls were tyrants n oppressive, they would definitly wouldnt have spared this temple, n there r lots more like it.

I did not say they were thorough of competent. But of course if the British were tyrants, by your logic, it wouldn't have survived them either, right?

There is alos just near my mom's home town a big naked male statue, the size of 6 story building house, we havent seen it closely coz every detail is sculpted so delicatly. Again how come the so intolerant Maghuls didnt destory it?!!!!

Same as the Bamiyan statues - statues that big need explosives.

 

[HeiGou]

of course she didnt what? she did say that the french discriminate there and now that is what she stated..

And I did not make a comment about what the French do now, but what they did then. So her comments, as I said, were utterly irrelevant to mine.

anyhow you say you dont spread hate? by trying to disprove ones faith you help no one... you say you live in hope!?

I am not even beginning to try to disprove your religion and where do you think I have tried to spread hate?

a man is not weakend by faith he is strengthend...

Nice to hear. So you don't mind my posts which strengthen your Faith?

I am sorry but I fail to see anything else in your post relevant to mine.

 

[bint_muhammed]

No my dear, that is a delusion of yours.

no my love, thats a fact, if ya like it or not! ;D ;D

 

[Hajar]

Maybe this a interesting documentairy to watch..covering this subject...

Muslim History in Europe

http://turntoislam.com/content/view/107/60/

 

[Rou]

And I did not make a comment about what the French do now, but what they did then. So her comments, as I said, were utterly irrelevant to mine.



I am not even beginning to try to disprove your religion and where do you think I have tried to spread hate?



Nice to hear. So you don't mind my posts which strengthen your Faith?

I am sorry but I fail to see anything else in your post relevant to mine.

hei gou it seems you are not willing to listen to anything that is slightly a diffrent prespective to your own view..

allim saying to you is why bother wasting time trying to look at things in the view that if a muslim did it it must have a fault why not find the faults based on right and wrong instead of indian or pak or white or black?!

you will deny that you view things in this way however look at your posts and threads you obviously hold something against mulsims and islam and that is blind hate...

you say your posts strengthen my faith indeed they do they show how lost one can be and i pray i am never that lost..

i question not your faith or your belifs just your aim..

what is your aim?

take away there faith!?

disprove there faith!?

to prove there faith is a bad faith1?

no faith is bad its the evil of men that is bad...

and that is what you should use your energies against instead you waste it on looking in every knook and craney for an excuse to get at a muslim...

and anyone who questions you on this you either ignore or tell them they are being irrelevent???

all because you cannot answer the fact that you are spreading hate in those who hold no hate..

every muslim is not your enemy..islam is not your enemy...

do you relly crave enemies that much that you will take every muslim as an enemy!?

let me guess... "where have is said muslims are my enemy blah blah"

yeah ok mate heard that all before its called read your posts and threads...

i hate no race or religon ... this is about justice stop innocents from being hurt..

wether in kashmir, sudan,afgan or iraq its all the same innocents suffer while the powerful horde...

"all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing"

 

[bint_muhammed]

of course she didnt what? she did say that the french discriminate there and now that is what she stated..

anyhow you say you dont spread hate? by trying to disprove ones faith you help no one... you say you live in hope!?

for what? what is your hope that will happen?

a man is not weakend by faith he is strengthend...

a man is not more evil by true faith he is good...

a man does not lose his way by finding faith...he loses his way without it...

to make someone lose faith will not make them a good person 85% chance it will make them lose there way...

every human is my brother and sister do you hear me forcing islam on you!? do you hear me saying what you follow causes this or that? when a man rapes a woman in USA do i say all christianity is mad!?

when bush kills my people do you hear me cry christians are evil!?

faith is not the issue... its evil that is the issue...

its here and wether a man of faith or not stop it seek justice...

those who silence themselves and raise there voices only to protect the sins of the powerful are not only weak but stain there hands in the blood of innocent...

you want me to think!?

brother i think every living moment of my life...i think of the suffering of innocents that is caused for greed...and what could be achived if we all just opened our eyes...

do not waste time in proving disbelif in religon...use that time to prove there is evil and it must be stopped...no not one religon not one faith but those who do injustice...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

u tell him bro!!!:statisfie :statisfie

 

[imaad_udeen]

For the record, Islam did not invade Spain or Iberia, an empire made up of Muslims invaded Spain.