Why Did Muhammad Come After Jesus

[snakelegs]

do they believe he was uneducated? illiterate is not the same as uneducated.

 

[Muslim Knight]

Well for one reason i imagine the teacher was dead before islam become prominant. Also I dont see why many people would care who taught him. Do you know who taught George Washington?

George Washington didn't have 1.2 billion followers. Also, he didn't introduce a religion.

 

[lilah]

No, no, no.
Youve got that all wrong.
After multiple foul ups of getting your word accross, you need to send it to somebody who can neither read nor write and have it passed on by chinese-whisper recitation, in a language used at the time by a minute fraction of the worlds population, so that every word that gets translated seems to take another form. Three hundred years after It's been passed on like folklaw then get it written down, get some guy to choose which surahs to keep and which to throw.

Make sure that it's so contridictory that it needs to abrogate itself all over the place and so it takes a army of "scholors" hundreds of years to work out what it means , and even then, they still cant decide.

Now THAT'S the way to get a perfect message accross.

Is this your attempt to demonstrate your intelligence? Or are you trying to be funny? No, seriously. I mean no disrespect....

I'm just trying to understand your intentions....

 

[Medina83]

As well as why has he still done such a horrible job at it.

I feel obliged to tell you that if you struggle to believe in God at least give yourself enough respect as to not go around insulting God we believe in.

Honestly you do yourself no favours by making comments like that and I fear for the soul you dont believe you have.


With regard to why He 'corrected' us...
The question I have is why people came to the conclusion that each Prophet (peace be upon them all) came down with a different message, 'correcting' the one that went before? Each Prophet called people to live a God fearing life and to worship Him.

They certainly emphasised different aspects and they forbid somethings which had previously been allowed and they allowed some things which has previously been forbid....but isn't that God trying to make things easier for us?

How can an unborn child in the womb understand what life outside of the womb consists of?

Similarly it is hard or impossible for us to understand sometimes where the benefit or harm is in some things..that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that it is beyond our current understanding. To deny this means you believe that all knowledge is currently within mankind...but that in itself defies truth as men currently 'discover' more and more within the realms of science etc.

 

[ranma1/2]

George Washington didn't have 1.2 billion followers. Also, he didn't introduce a religion.

so? George washington is a much more recent historical figure.


John Smith introduced a religion as well and had quite a few followers. DO you know who his teacher was? Sidartha?

 

[ranma1/2]

I feel obliged to tell you that if you struggle to believe in God at least give yourself enough respect as to not go around insulting God we believe in.


Im not insulting him unless he is insulted by facts.
The fact is he did a horrible job getting his message across.


Honestly you do yourself no favours by making comments like that and I fear for the soul you dont believe you have.

And I fear for you sauce. May it not spoil.

With regard to why He 'corrected' us...
The question I have is why people came to the conclusion that each Prophet (peace be upon them all) came down with a different message, 'correcting' the one that went before? Each Prophet called people to live a God fearing life and to worship Him.

Oh im not saying that, im saying that the message got corrupted. Apparntly god could do nothing about that despite being all powerfull.


They certainly emphasised different aspects and they forbid somethings which had previously been allowed and they allowed some things which has previously been forbid....but isn't that God trying to make things easier for us?

Sounds like god didnt get it right the 1st time.

How can an unborn child in the womb understand what life outside of the womb consists of?

huh?

Similarly it is hard or impossible for us to understand sometimes where the benefit or harm is in some things..that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that it is beyond our current understanding. To deny this means you believe that all knowledge is currently within mankind...but that in itself defies truth as men currently 'discover' more and more within the realms of science etc.

Oh im not saying we cant learn. I do think that we can reseason what is bad. I do not see any answer in the quran or other holy texts that werent man made.

 

[Medina83]

The fact is he did a horrible job getting his message across

thats not a fact thats your opinion. If you cant distinguish between fact and opinion my advice is stay off forums.

And I fear for you sauce. May it not spoil

sorry to seem so trite with you..it wasnt meant in the spirit of high-handedness. More like with the pity I have when i see a news report of someone who got hurt badly..that common sympathy we have for each other in humanity...sorry it it offends you.

Oh im not saying that, im saying that the message got corrupted. Apparntly god could do nothing about that despite being all powerfull.

couldn't or didnt?
God lets our free will run its course, men make their own beds and then have to lie in them. why would God let them become corrupted? Only God knows the true answer, i'm just guessing...i'm just amazed that people think there is no God because of all the variation in belief around the world..as if it should be written in the clouds as a proof to all mankind. Well if that happened it would remove our need for free will and there'd be no reward for faith.

 

[Muslim Knight]

so? George washington is a much more recent historical figure.

But he isn't disputed here. We're talking about a Prophet who changed the course of history for the next 1,400 years. His entire life is put under the microscope here and historians scrutinize the many biographies detailing his life. They can even trace his family roots back to Kedar and Ismail and yet sceptics who allege that Muhammad had been taught by a Catholic / Christian (they can't even decide which is which) Teacher, couldn't find evidence of this supposedly "dead" mysterious Teacher!

Did George Washington change the course of history for the last 1,400 years? America is only over 200 years old and I see people talking about Bush, Bush and some more Bush and not George Washington.

John Smith introduced a religion as well and had quite a few followers. DO you know who his teacher was? Sidartha?

John Smith in Disney's Pocahontas introduced a religion? Seriously???

 

[barney]

Nope, its Jospeh Smith, Final..really really really final (honest), prophet of the Mormons. Bringing Gods totally utterly last message.

As regards my intentions with my last post, I'm pointing out that a deity putting accross "Clear arguements" has , if the bible & Quran are from him, managed to confuse everyone. Muslims can't agree amongst themselves what the surahs mean. Is that their fault?

 

[- Qatada -]

As regards my intentions with my last post, I'm pointing out that a deity putting accross "Clear arguements" has , if the bible & Quran are from him, managed to confuse everyone. Muslims can't agree amongst themselves what the surahs mean. Is that their fault?

You really think so? How come any thread which you've started about Qur'an we've answered it for you with clear proofs?


Regarding the first issue, the Gospel was for a group of people who Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) was sent to, since Allaah sends messengers to mankind. So what's so confusing about that?

 

[barney]

You really think so? How come any thread which you've started about Qur'an we've answered it for you with clear proofs?


Regarding the first issue, the Gospel was for a group of people who Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) was sent to, since Allaah sends messengers to mankind. So what's so confusing about that?

Well actually in several hundred posts, I've had one thing answered. That was that the muslims who die in allahs good books wont all go to hell first, They'll go over it on a bridge. There was something else, "period of time that the world was made", that was answered.

Evrything else, you may feel was "Clearly Proved" , but thats because you beleive it!
Theres been absolutly nothing actually Really proved. I'm still looking hard though.

 

[- Qatada -]

Well actually in several hundred posts, I've had one thing answered. That was that the muslims who die in allahs good books wont all go to hell first, They'll go over it on a bridge. There was something else, "period of time that the world was made", that was answered.

Evrything else, you may feel was "Clearly Proved" , but thats because you beleive it!
Theres been absolutly nothing actually Really proved. I'm still looking hard though.

Let's see what you said in the previous post which i just replied to:

Muslims can't agree amongst themselves what the surahs mean. Is that their fault?

It's nothing about whether you find the proof acceptable, its about whether we agree on the meaning of the Surah as muslims.

 

[barney]

Let's see what you said in the previous post which i just replied to:





[/B]It's nothing about whether you find the proof acceptable, its about whether we agree on the meaning of the Surah as muslims.

Well, here on the board words are slung around with everyone disagreeing. Pretty much any thread has arguing over interpretations.

And out in the world, Muslims are killing muslims through sect driven violence.
Islamic scholors from one university will swear blind that the Surahs instruct killing, fighting and plundering.
Other Scholors will swear that they dont.
It's not clear at all.

 

[- Qatada -]

Well, here on the board words are slung around with everyone disagreeing. Pretty much any thread has arguing over interpretations.

Didn't i explain to you we have tafsirs/explanations of Qur'an preserved for us? Infact, remember the time when i explained to you the explanation of why Surah Duha was revealed?

If you don't know, i'll give you the link again:

http://tafsir.com

And out in the world, Muslims are killing muslims through sect driven violence.
Islamic scholors from one university will swear blind that the Surahs instruct killing, fighting and plundering.
Other Scholors will swear that they dont.
It's not clear at all.

No, the difference is that the Prophecy of there being 73 sects has been proven, which is authentically recorded in Abi Dawud. So these different sects have different ideologies, different aims and different purposes. Yet in the hadith of there being 73 sects, the answer is also given to us - that we should follow the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the understanding and teachings of God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him), and the understanding of his companions - since they had the best understanding because they were alive while the Qur'an was being revealed.

The praise is for Allaah/God also that their understanding has been authentically preserved for us, and it is accessible by even the layman. I gave you the link above, and it's upto you if you want to check it. However - if anyone wants to truelly get the true explanation, we don't need to worry, since we have the true teachings authentically preserved for us. It's upto man if he/she wants to follow them or not. There is no argument on whether it is authentic, the difference is in man's own choice.




Regards.

 

[lilah]

Nope, its Jospeh Smith, Final..really really really final (honest), prophet of the Mormons. Bringing Gods totally utterly last message.

As regards my intentions with my last post, I'm pointing out that a deity putting accross "Clear arguements" has , if the bible & Quran are from him, managed to confuse everyone. Muslims can't agree amongst themselves what the surahs mean. Is that their fault?

You didn't point anything but your total ignorance of the subject. You're posting based on your opinion and feelings.


What you describe occurs in everyday life, not just religon. Many Americans in government can't agree on interpretations of the U.S Consitution, I take it from your logic that it's the founding fathers and the Constitution that is to blame.

I don't know about you, but in order for me to graduate college, I had to learn the material the professors taught me. I had to clear the confusion by asking questions, i had to take the innitiative to learn. In a typical classroom, there are going to be

• a few students that get the material right away
• a lot of students that won't...will have to spend time after class with the teacher to understand the material,
• a few that learn the material wrong, but don't realized they did until tested,
• some that just throw there hands up in the air and give up...determined that they will never get it,
• a few clowns in the back of the classroom making fun of the teacher, bully the good students, and blow off the whole class.

If somebody flunks a physics exam, that doesn't mean that the laws of physics are flawed....but that student's understanding of it. People get confused all the time, but it's not enought to just shrug your shoulders and blame the system. Yes, there may be a few muslims that learned the material wrong, I'll give you that. And some of those muslims might be scholars teaching wrong material....but that is the fault of the individual not the subject matter.

Just because *you* are confused by the material, doesn't mean the entire Muslim Ummah is. Maybe you're confused, but I'm not. Maybe if you asked more constructive questions with the intention of understanding, your confusion would be cleared up.

What I don't get, is that you've claimed that you believe in adeity, a God. And yet, based on your statements, you know nothing about Him, and base your sarcasm on your ignorance of Him. Tell me, where is the proofs and clear evidences of your beliefs?

 

[barney]

Tell me, where is the proofs and clear evidences of your beliefs?

Right back at ya.

Regards.