Why do a majority of people who represent Islam go off on crazy protests and riots?

[Samkurd]

I agree Scimitar.

Sometimes when i see protesting its very violent, men wearing all black outfits covering their faces waving large flags, shouting at the top of their voice. I believe in peaceful protests.

 

[Muezzin]

Essentially, what this chain of events has taught us is:

1) two wrongs don't make a right, and

2) never, ever feed the troll.

 

[Hulk]

this is why i hate twitter

 

[Scimitar]

You and I must be the only ones then bro Samkurd... Because in the Hyena example you mentioned (the Muslim girls acting like animals and laughing hysterically then runing away after hurling abuse at Jews), I see stuff like that all the time in protests - Muslim ones.

It's become a MAJOR embarrassment for Muslims all around the world.

Worse, I now fear that over the past decade, Social Engineers from the NWO have been playing up to this and engineering protests in the Muslim world simply to collate information that is ****ing to Muslims. Such examples are numerous now. Imagine if they produced a video with a series of Muslim protests just dating from 2001 up to 2011, how stupid and barbaric will Muslims look to the international public? Isnt this just what they want?

I mean, think for a sec - if an entire country's security was compromised by a few shills on facebook who engineered the "facebook revolution" and bought a country to its knees, then really, can we still "act" all surprised when we can begin to realise the deeper state?

I am not surprised, just saddened that we get caught up in this mess.

All Muslim Protests Should Be Banned... until we have an amir who can lead it PEACEFULLY. But that aint happening is it?

We just gonna have to suffer ridicule for a while longer.

Remember the hadeeths of our beloved Prophet pbuh when he said that it is better to remain quiet than speak wrongly.

Protests? think again.

Scimi

 

[Samkurd]

You and I must be the only ones then bro Samkurd... Because in the Hyena example you mentioned (the Muslim girls acting like animals and laughing hysterically then runing away after hurling abuse at Jews), I see stuff like that all the time in protests - Muslim ones.

It's become a MAJOR embarrassment for Muslims all around the world.

Worse, I now fear that over the past decade, Social Engineers from the NWO have been playing up to this and engineering protests in the Muslim world simply to collate information that is ****ing to Muslims. Such examples are numerous now. Imagine if they produced a video with a series of Muslim protests just dating from 2001 up to 2011, how stupid and barbaric will Muslims look to the international public? Isnt this just what they want?

I mean, think for a sec - if an entire country's security was compromised by a few shills on facebook who engineered the "facebook revolution" and bought a country to its knees, then really, can we still "act" all surprised when we can begin to realise the deeper state?

I am not surprised, just saddened that we get caught up in this mess.

All Muslim Protests Should Be Banned... until we have an amir who can lead it PEACEFULLY. But that aint happening is it?

We just gonna have to suffer ridicule for a while longer.

Remember the hadeeths of our beloved Prophet pbuh when he said that it is better to remain quiet than speak wrongly.

Protests? think again.

Scimi

Well i went back and deleted the comment of the girls laughing at the Jews protesting for Palestine before i read your reply because i felt it was a bit unfair to generalize a group of girls actions. But its either way its not nice.

To the rest who are unclear - What i said was i went to a Palestine and Israel conflict protest where there were many Jews peacefully protesting FOR Palestine. A group of 8 Muslim girls ran up behind the Jews and yelled "F*** JEWS! I HATE JEWS!" and ran away hysterically laughing as they turned around. Its just things like that i believe needs to go.

And yes... i do also believe the NWO use it to their advantage also to fuel the hatred and encourage more things like that to happen.

 

[Scimitar]

here's the thing bro, most Muslims "hate" Jews with no understanding as to which Jews are the ones who are to be hated...

There is a clear, fine line between REAL JEWS, and that bunch of Zionist Scum who have hijacked the Jewish faith.

If we want to express our disdain at any bunch of people, then it should be the Zionists. Not the people of the book.

TO give you an idea of which Jews are REAL JEWS, check this out:

www.nkusa.org These guys are pro Palestine and Anti-Israel. BIGTIME.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

here's the thing bro, most Muslims "hate" Jews with no understanding as to which Jews are the ones who are to be hated

I think it is unfair for you to make such a statement and really akin to the thread title .. majority this and most that is a statistical fact not a whimsical one. You can't also take a small portion of any given population and contend the same.. muslims in Palestine directly under oppression or in Egypt may not feel the same as Muslims in japan or Indonesia so why these statements of assertions?

 

[Scimitar]

I missed this post:

I didn't say go out there and protest, I am however very quizzical of allowing clear hate speech as a form of 'free speech' yet vilifying and 'radicalizing' that other form which actually came to us courtesy of the west as far as I can tell and hence the saying of Umar RA '' If Allah wants for people ill, he gives them debates and takes away from them actions''
obviously taking to the streets with banners does very little to anyone or anything.. I didn't even care for the diapered ghandi peaceful marches against the British, as he basically offered them up for sacrifice. Once the people have been mobilized emotionally there will be no going back to inertia it is just a natural physical law even if you don't like the outcome. So it isn't about whether or not what they're doing is right or wrong, it is their right to do so no matter how misdirected. My obvious desire is instead of taking to the streets they sit down unite and do something else, but they haven't been training for that have they? They like to watch TV, eat junk and go out on the streets in hopes that it would take care of their misdirected anger issues..

now if you'll excuse me I need some sugar!

I never said you did sis

It seems to me that you are justifying the fact they use turbulent methods to incite hatred within us so we should do the same? NO. We cannot stoop to their level.

The outcome, is mob-mentality. And that means no such thing as "taking to the streets with banners does very little to anyone or anything" because the reality is very much different.

Their right to do so does not give them the right to act like a bunch of idiots and tarnishing the rest of the Muslims with the same brush sister. What kind of "right" is that? It's more of a "wrong".

My idea is that if a protest was to be planned by Muslims, then to do it without banners, to make it known that all protesters turn up in white Muslim attire, to show unity. To have a leader who is knowledgable who can head the protest with a microphone and speaker system - one voice not one hundred blinkin' thousand. for him to speak in clear, audible tones, and not shout like an idiot - he has a microphone and speakers - remember that. For him to educate the protesters at the protests of the issue at hand. For him to propose questions to the party they are protesting against. For the leader of the protests to determine a method for their arrival and dispersal, and to make it a requirement that we are here ins the name of Islam - and what THAT means, namely "PEACE" and not any action that compromises the essence of that peace.

If we could plan a protest like this, Each time the Amir would say Allahu Akbar, the multitude of quiet protesters would then all chant in unison "Allahu Akbar" and that would show unity for the same vision, the same ideal ...

Good call, I need a sugar fix too, some tea I think

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

I think it is unfair for you to make such a statement and really akin to the thread title .. majority this and most that is a statistical fact not a whimsical one. You can't also take a small portion of any given population and contend the same.. muslims in Palestine directly under oppression or in Egypt may not feel the same as Muslims in japan or Indonesia so why these statements of assertions?

Oh I can make that assumption... I've travelled around the continents and the Muslims I've met all hate Jews simply because that is what they think Surah al Fatiha is implying.

For the record, I have known Jews to help me in my hour of need when the Muslims were too busy and unavailable. Can I hate Jews? No. i cannot hate them.

And I think it's really unfair to call a zionist a Jew. They are as different as chalk and cheese.

Scimi

EDIT: you now whats really odd? the two guys i can depend on to get me out of a pickle are not even Muslim... one is an atheist and the other is a Jew. GO figure.

I remember when I got arrested for carrying nun chucks at 1am in the morning and it was Dave who drove 13 miles at 4am to come get me and take me home... funny thing was, fajr was an hour later yet Muslims didnt even bother to send me a text to say "sorry bro, I was asleep". pfft.

 

[IslamicRevival]

You must have gotten your wires crossed, were a nation of 1.5 Billion Muslims and 0.0000001% of Muslim protestors do not represent the majority. No one condones the violence but what do you expect when our Nabi (Infinite peace and blessings be upon him) is insulted and our religion is dragged through the mud? The protests and worldwide condemnation of the film are justified, the violence and stupidity of protestors however are certainly not.

 

[Scimitar]

You must have gotten your wires crossed, were a nation of 1.5 Billion Muslims and 0.0000001% of Muslim protestors do not represent the majority. No one condones the violence but what do you expect when our Nabi (Infinite peace and blessings be upon him) is insulted and our religion is dragged through the mud? The protests and worldwide condemnation of the film are justified, the violence and stupidity of protestors however are certainly not.

I don't play with "wires" for them to be crossed.

You ask me, what do I expect when our beloved Prophet pbuh is isulted and our relgion is dragged thru the mud? Really?

Bro my answer is simple - How did the prophet pbuh react when he was stoned at Taif? How did the early Muslims react when they were under the period of jahilliyah? That should answer your question. And before you say "We're not in that period now" I ask you to re-address that statement and look at the situation Muslim nations find themselves in today...

Also, I'm not going to isolate an incident (such as the movie you speak of) in order to make a point.I'd rather do it with more decorum and justify my opinion in a much broader sense, as i have done in my posts here so far.

Scimi

 

[IslamicRevival]

Scimitar. Our Nabi (Infinite peace and blessings be upon him) said; "Whoever among you sees an evil action, then let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart – and that is the weakest of faith." Banning protests under Shariah is impractical as were taught to speak out against evil and protesting is a means to voicing those concerns.

 

[IslamicRevival]

I don't play with "wires" for them to be crossed.

You ask me, what do I expect when our beloved Prophet pbuh is isulted and our relgion is dragged thru the mud? Really?

Bro my answer is simple - How did the prophet pbuh react when he was stoned at Taif? How did the early Muslims react when they were under the period of jahilliyah? That should answer your question. And before you say "We're not in that period now" I ask you to re-address that statement and look at the situation Muslim nations find themselves in today...

Also, I'm not going to isolate an incident (such as the movie you speak of) in order to make a point.I'd rather do it with more decorum and justify my opinion in a much broader sense, as i have done in my posts here so far.

Scimi

I agree. My post was intended as a response to the creator of this thread. Peace out

 

[Scimitar]

But this is exactly it: when has a protest worked for Muslims? Not in the past 50 yrs it hasnt... why is that?

We need to re-address the way Protests are managed by our Muslims. Our hapshackle rag-tag way of doing things leads to a mob mentality that often makes us seen aas the aggressors rather than the victims. Is this "stopping an evil with the tongue" ??? No. it isnt, to be quite frank. it's adding evil to evil is what it is...

I outlined my idea for the management of Muslim protests in a previous post but I'll paste it here

My idea is that if a protest was to be planned by Muslims, then to do it without banners, to make it known that all protesters turn up in white Muslim attire, to show unity. To have a leader who is knowledgable who can head the protest with a microphone and speaker system - one voice not one hundred blinkin' thousand. for him to speak in clear, audible tones, and not shout like an idiot - he has a microphone and speakers - remember that. For him to educate the protesters at the protests of the issue at hand. For him to propose questions to the party they are protesting against. For the leader of the protests to determine a method for their arrival and dispersal, and to make it a requirement that we are here ins the name of Islam - and what THAT means, namely "PEACE" and not any action that compromises the essence of that peace.

If we could plan a protest like this, Each time the Amir would say Allahu Akbar, the multitude of quiet protesters would then all chant in unison "Allahu Akbar" and that would show unity for the same vision, the same ideal ...


If we could manage this - then I would say "Yes, let's do this". But no leader, no intellectual, nor any man worth his salt has even suggested a solution yet... why is that? we too busty bickering and pointing fingers like idiots to realise there is a way out of this mess.

The method I propose is in the nature of the hadeeth you posted akhi. I am not saying otherwise. And like you, i am also saying that "The protests and worldwide condemnation of the film are justified, the violence and stupidity of protestors however are certainly not." - as an example.

Bottom line is, WE NEED TO RE-ADDRESS WHAT A MUSLIM PROTEST SHOULD BE.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

why is that

Al-An'am (The Cattle) [6:65] [RECITE]

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Qul huwa alqadiru AAala an yabAAatha AAalaykum AAathaban min fawqikum aw min tahti arjulikum aw yalbisakum shiyaAAan wayutheeqa baAAdakum basa baAAdin onthur kayfa nusarrifu alayati laAAallahum yafqahoona​

6:65 Say: "He hath power to send calamities on you, from above and below, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, giving you a taste of mutual vengeance - each from the other." See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); that they may understand.


something has been decreed upon us though we may hate it.. and you know it didn't come in the form of protest.. so draw your own conclusions!
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[Scimitar]

I return with this:

Totally supports my stance. Subhaan-Allah for HIS guidance. Ameen.

Scimi

 

[Hulk]

If only it was so simple. From what I understand there is no room for vigilantism in Islam. Also, when wanting to carry out an action it is very important that you do so in the proper manner. Adab first, then knowledge, then action. Perhaps we can say that a peaceful protest is not vigilantism so in such situations I prefer to leave it to our leaders to decide whether it is advisable.

 

[sister herb]

But this is exactly it: when has a protest worked for Muslims? Not in the past 50 yrs it hasnt... why is that?

They work. You should visit in Finland and take part of some demonstrations here with muslims. No violence. No bad words. Just peaceful way to show opinion against what ever.

;D But maybe because we Finnish are so cool people anyway. Also Finnish muslims.

 

[Scimitar]

At Hulk

I agree, but they need to make this an issue for review first. Why haven't they already ???

has it come to this, where I have to think of ways Muslim Protests should be administered? I'm, not even a student of knowledge let alone a scholar. See my point? This is how ridiculous this situation has become.

Muslims going all armshouse over a stupid film, a cartoon, a Quran burning... etc. When the reality is that all these things do, is increase the awareness of Islam in the west.

Take a look at CIA stats for converts to the Muslim religion post 2001 to 2011, and you can see that they are bricking it because out of 5 converts (reverts) to Islam in the USA, 4 are women - despite the anti-feminist propaganda they throw at us. Not only that, record numbers of new converts in the past ten years to Islam, than in any other period inn recorded history in the grand ole US of A.

I see the ayah "And they plot and plan, and Allah plans, and Allah is the best of planners" - Al Anfal.

Proof? above in this very post. So we don't even NEED to protest really.

Scimi

EDIT: Sister Harb. That is encouraging alhamdulillah. But is the exception. Not the rule.

 

[Ramadan90]

At Hulk

I agree, but they need to make this an issue for review first. Why haven't they already ???

has it come to this, where I have to think of ways Muslim Protests should be administered? I'm, not even a student of knowledge let alone a scholar. See my point? This is how ridiculous this situation has become.

Muslims going all armshouse over a stupid film, a cartoon, a Quran burning... etc. When the reality is that all these things do, is increase the awareness of Islam in the west.

Take a look at CIA stats for converts to the Muslim religion post 2001 to 2011, and you can see that they are bricking it because out of 5 converts (reverts) to Islam in the USA, 4 are women - despite the anti-feminist propaganda they throw at us. Not only that, record numbers of new converts in the past ten years to Islam, than in any other period inn recorded history in the grand ole US of A.

I see the ayah "And they plot and plan, and Allah plans, and Allah is the best of planners" - Al Anfal.

Proof? above in this very post. So we don't even NEED to protest really.

Scimi

EDIT: Sister Harb. That is encouraging alhamdulillah. But is the exception. Not the rule.

Of course you are a student of knowledge.:nervous: