Why do you believe what you do? And how did you get to that belief?

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Fi_Sabilillah said:
Ask yourself these questions:



1) If you keep your duty to the creation, why shouldn't you keep your duty to the One who Created you and Sustains you throughout your whole life? Since that day you were that little sperm drop - till your death, and even after that?

Since you know that Jesus son of Mary was an honorable man - if he bowed to God, and he is more pious than any of us alive today - why shouldn't we actually do the same to show our gratitude to God?

If we are sincerely thankful and submit by obeying the Messenger - we are rewarded in this life and the next, but if we're ungrateful for all the good God has given us, why should He reward us with more in the hereafter if we were ungrateful and proved our ungratefulness [by disobeying Him] in this life?



2) The Message is clear and apparent, yet rejecting it would mean that you are taking God's message in jest, almost like a joke. Would God really be pleased with that? I don't think He would.



3) Who decides what is good or bad? you? your culture? Or God Himself?

Decent is How God percieves it, i can say i'm a decent person yet someone might disagree with me. That's because all cultures differ; this is the reason why God sends revelation to His Messengers' - on issues where mankind differed - so they could unite upon something together and therefore be at peace with one another.




Regards.
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God didn't put us here to WORSHIP him. Woship him all you like. Devote your life to him but I don't believe you will get anymore than what I'll get. I don't believe we will be "rewarded." This body is an egg shell. We're here to experience life and once we pass our spirit hatches from this body and the good will be seperated from the bad. The good will enter a new world, the spirit world. The bad will not enter. Our death will be the next stage of development. No rewards, no virgins, no reincarnation but the gate to a new world, a better world than that we live in today. Religion isn't an issue.
 
The natural law of kamma, cause and effect, invariably results in 'justice' regarding the consequences of previous thoughts and actions. The process occurs just as as much in everyday life as after death - in neither case is any God required to facilitate the process.
 
England said:
God didn't put us to WORSHIP him. Woship him all you live. Devote your life to him but I don't believe you will get anymore than what I'll get. I don't believe we will be "rewarded." This body is an shell. We're here to experience life and once we pass our spirit hatches from this body and the good will be seperated from the bad. The good will enter a new world, the spirit world. The bad will not enter. Our death will be the next stage of development. No rewards, no virgins, no reincarnation but the gate to a new world, a better world than that we live in today. Religion isn't an issue.
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Worship has a vast definition in the Islamic context. Anything we do in life can be termed as worship if it's done to please God, as God's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: Even if you were to put a morsel of food in your spouses mouth. The person will even be rewarded for that.


You have to question your own beliefs, are you the only person in the world who believes in that concept? Because if you are - then you have to question whether your faith is truelly valid or not.

We know that there are over a billion muslims in the world with similar beliefs, with One Divine Book which has never & will never be altered - yet do you have a divine book which you can refer to for your personal beliefs - to differentiate between good and evil/wrong and right? You also have to ask yourself what truelly is good, is it your own personal interpretation of good? Or is it societies interpretation of good? Because know that society changes all the time - at one time being a homosexual will be hated by society so you may say that is bad, whereas another time it will be termed okay, so you'll go along with that and may agree. So the morals/ethics of society are continuoslly changing, therefore one is more of a slave of society, even if this society contradicts what God has commanded. This is also a form of worship - if one is a slave to society instead of being obedient to God and His Laws which He revealed to His Messengers'.


The concept of another world also has to be explained further, if God has allowed us to have intercourse with our spouses in this life - then He has also permitted it in the hereafter. There is nothing confusing about that. You also have to question what the hereafter will be about if you have no divine revelation for what you say. Either its the truth, or its falsehood - And falsehood is surrounded by doubts, whereas truth is with certainty. So if you have no proof or no Divine scripture for your beliefs - then you are probably in doubt since others have different opinions, which means that it's falsehood, and falsehood will perish. Whereas the truthfull will be rewarded for being truthful and grateful to God, in gardens beneath which rivers flow where they will abide forever in the Presence of their Lord. That is the true success. May Allaah make us of them. ameen.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Worship has a vast definition in the Islamic context. Anything we do in life can be termed as worship if it's done to please God, as God's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: Even if you were to put a morsel of food in your spouses mouth. The person will even be rewarded for that.


You have to question your own beliefs, are you the only person in the world who believes in that concept? Because if you are - then you have to question whether your faith is truelly valid or not.

We know that there are over a billion muslims in the world with similar beliefs, with One Divine Book which has never & will never be altered - yet do you have a divine book which you can refer to for your personal beliefs - to differentiate between good and evil/wrong and right? You also have to ask yourself what truelly is good, is it your own personal interpretation of good? Or is it societies interpretation of good? Because know that society changes all the time - at one time being a homosexual will be hated by society so you may say that is bad, whereas another time it will be termed okay, so you'll go along with that and may agree. So the morals/ethics of society are continuoslly changing, therefore one is more of a slave of society, even if this society contradicts what God has commanded. This is also a form of worship - if one is a slave to society instead of being obedient to God and His Laws which He revealed to His Messengers'.


The concept of another world also has to be explained further, if God has allowed us to have intercourse with our spouses in this life - then He has also permitted it in the hereafter. There is nothing confusing about that. You also have to question what the hereafter will be about if you have no divine revelation for what you say. Either its the truth, or its falsehood - And falsehood is surrounded by doubts, whereas truth is with certainty. So if you have no proof or no Divine scripture for your beliefs - then you are probably in doubt since others have different opinions, which means that it's falsehood, and falsehood will perish. Whereas the truthfull will be rewarded for being truthful and grateful to God, in gardens beneath which rivers flow where they will abide forever in the Presence of their Lord. That is the true success. May Allaah make us of them. ameen.
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Ameen to your dua, Bro Fi_Sab!

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England said:
God didn't put us here to WORSHIP him. Woship him all you like. Devote your life to him but I don't believe you will get anymore than what I'll get. I don't believe we will be "rewarded." This body is an egg shell. We're here to experience life and once we pass our spirit hatches from this body and the good will be seperated from the bad. The good will enter a new world, the spirit world. The bad will not enter. Our death will be the next stage of development. No rewards, no virgins, no reincarnation but the gate to a new world, a better world than that we live in today. Religion isn't an issue.
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And you know this because you've been to this better spirit world-- And managed to come back to tell us all about it? Indeed you may believe what you will... but that isn't a superior belief to age old religions!

peace!
 
England said:
If you do good to please then yeah of course God will be happy but I don't believe you'll get any more than what decent human beings that don't worship will get. Pleasing God is all good and it will make God happy as long as it doesn't cause any problems with his world and his creatures. But even if you don't worship God but you have been a decent human being then that will make God just as happy. You will go to a better place, the EXACT same place where PEACEFUL, DECENT human being muslims will go to. I, nor anyone else will not be punished for not getting down on my knees and praying or for drinking alcohol.

I am not religious. I'm spiritual. I believe without a doubt that the afterlife is all about spirituality. My passed relatives are always visit. They guide me, they are looking after me and if I was to go to a spiritualist they would try to contact me as they have done.
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Perhaps it would be easier to explain more in terms of an analogy, as to what reward and punishment is.

In my younger days and as a University student one way I earned money for school expenses was by selling live rattle snakes to a serpatarium, where the snakes were milked for their venemon and the snakes were later killed and processed into snake skin boots. In order to be use full the snkes had to be alive to be milked.

Well i did not like the idea of the snakes being killed, so Ilearned to milk them and then just contracted to sell them partialy processed venom. that way I was able to sell only the venom and release the snakes back into the wild.

However, a person recieves what they earn. I made quite an enviable amount of money selling the venom. ($85 an ounce then and the price of gold at that time was $20 per ounce). However, there is a price to pay from handling snakes. They bite. A quick rule of thumb is when you handle rattlesnakes it is not a question of if you are going to get bit, it is just a question of when and how many times.

So I earned 2 things. Lots of money and lots of pain from the bites. The bites could be thought of as a punishment. But, I earned that punishment, it was not handed out without cause.

So it is with the Rewards and Punishments of Allah(swt) we will get what we earn, not what we think we have earned. Any punishments we get, we have worked for, knowingly or from failure to learn what has been told to us.
 
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Grace Seeker said:
Then, as your parents were not atheists, either you are a unique individual that does not fit the norms or your hypothesis is faulty.
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The majority of people follow the religion of their upbringing. This isn't a hypothethis. It is an an observation of a fact. Do you have a hypothesis you'd like to propose to explain the fact?
 
A God who would torture me for not believing in him and worshiping him is a monster God not worthy of my respect or admiration. In fact I would be morally obligated to stand against such a God.

A God who is worthy of respect and admiration would not torture anybody, certainly not for eternity, and such a God can be safely ignored until it makes itself more evident.

So in the end I figure if there is a God, I'm either safe, or if not, I'm at least moral.
 
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Fi_Sabilillah said:
You have to question your own beliefs, are you the only person in the world who believes in that concept? Because if you are - then you have to question whether your faith is truelly valid or not.
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I'm not the only one with these beliefs. It's spiritualism. Many many many people believe in this. The only difference is that it isn't a religion, nobody goes around shoving it down peoples' throats. You either believe in it or you don't. If you were to go to spiritualist churches which are everywhere, worldwide and nationally then you will see loads of people with the belief of spiritualism.
 
We've explained that worship is to be obedient to Him, and to give our rights to the Creator (His obedience) aswell as the creation (being good and just with them.)

If you don't obey, you are being ungrateful and rebellious. So you are worthy of His punishment. Yet if you obey and fulfill your rights, then you will be rewarded for that since that is a Promise from Him.


We've explained loads of times before also that if one was given a life of eternity - and disbelieved when the clear evidences came to them - then they would remain in that state of disbelief for eternity, remain ungrateful for all the favours God has given you, and therefore it isn't unjust for them to be punished in the hellfire forever - since if given a life of eternity - they would remain in that state of being rebellious and ungrateful anyway.
 
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England said:
I'm not the only one with these beliefs. It's spiritualism. Many many many people believe in this. The only difference is that it isn't a religion, nobody goes around shoving it down peoples' throats. You either believe in it or you don't. If you were to go to spiritualist churches which are everywhere, worldwide and nationally then you will see loads of people with the belief of spiritualism.
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Do they all have exactly the same beliefs? Do they have a Divine book which they can agree on together? Or do they simply have their own interpretations of what is good/bad? Are they slaves to society and only turn to God when in a state of despair?

If they don't have common beliefs and don't even have a divine book which they can agree on together - then that isn't really a belief, its just a mixture of different opinions.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Do they all have exactly the same beliefs? Do they have a Divine book which they can agree on together? Or do they simply have their own interpretations of what is good/bad? Are they slaves to society and only turn to God when in a state of despair?

If they don't have common beliefs and don't even have a divine book which they can agree on together - then that isn't really a belief, its just a mixture of different opinions.
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We don't need a book. A book is NOTHING. Mediums contact the spirits therefore communicating with the dead. That is where they get their information from. That is where I get mine from. Who do you communicate with? Where do you get information from? A book. :?

Pay a visit to a spiritualist church, get a reading with an open mind and you will be impressed. I bet you £50.
 
England said:
We don't need a book. A book is NOTHING. Mediums contact the spirits therefore communicating with the dead. That is where they get their information from. That is where I get mine from. Who do you communicate with? Where do you get information from? A book. :?

Pay a visit to a spiritualist church, get a reading with an open mind and you will be impressed. I bet you £50.
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And you get your religion from dead people? :?


The Qur'an is the speech of Allaah/God which He sent upon His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) through Angel Gabriel/Jibreel.


Miraculous Quran - click on it to read why it's so miraculous. I wonder what else you expect from a Messenger of God besides revelation huh?
 
^^^^ pls. don't even bother explaining the Quran or any sort of revelations to someone who is into charlatans...
:haha: :haha: -- I almost can't believe what I am reading!

peace!
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
And you get your religion from dead people? :?


The Qur'an is the speech of Allaah/God which He sent upon His final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) through Angel Gabriel/Jibreel.


Miraculous Quran - click on it to read why it's so miraculous. I wonder what else you expect from a Messenger of God besides revelation huh?
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Who says it's the speech of God? :?

I don't follow religion. I have a belief. I get my information from relatives that have passed away. They know what happens when they pass. They try to communicate with us. They guide us through llife and help us because they care. I too will do the same for my family when I pass. You don't know too much about spiritualism. I used to laugh and think "weirdos" until I went to spiritualist churches, not regularly but I did it occasionally.
 
Greeting to England..

We don't need a book. A book is NOTHING. Mediums contact the spirits therefore communicating with the dead. That is where they get their information from. That is where I get mine from. Who do you communicate with? Where do you get information from? A book.

Pay a visit to a spiritualist church, get a reading with an open mind and you will be impressed. I bet you £50.
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Why did you said that the book is nothing?? :? ....are you love to read??
You need to think twice again before you say to something!

Peace.
 
The Amazing part is paying for it-- ever heard of a "church" that charges money for spirituality?... I mean other than Scientology-- which is saying enough to rest my case!

to each his own

peace!
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
The Amazing part is paying for it-- ever heard of a "church" that charges money for spirituality?... I mean other than Scientology-- which is saying enough to rest my case!

to each his own

peace!
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What???? Spiritualist churches are free. You don't pay a single PENNY.
 
go ahead and do a google search regarding the "small fees" needed by "Spiritualist Churches"

here is the first one that came up by the way--I can stick more in here but I don't have all day to prove a point
http://church1.org/_wsn/page3.html

peace!
 
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