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The sacred Jewish site regarded as the grave of the biblical patriarch Joseph has been turned into a pile of rubble by Arab vandals, according to Israeli officials.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon confirmed Sunday that the large stone marking the grave was destroyed some time during the past two weeks, the Israeli News Network said.
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Destroyed gravestone at traditional burial site for biblical patriarch Joseph.
Minister Natan Sharansky wants the foreign ministry to publicize photos of the desecrated site, which is in the Palestinian Authority-controlled town of Nablus, the biblical Shechem.
"If we would have razed the gravesite of one of the founders of Islam, billions of Muslims would have taken to the streets," Sharansky said. "It's inconceivable that the world should not know about this travesty."
The Oslo Accords put the site under Israeli jurisdiction, but on Oct. 7, 2000, then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak ordered a unilateral retreat, based on a Palestinian agreement to protect the site.
But within hours, smoke was seen billowing from the tomb as a crowd burned Jewish prayer books and other articles. With pickaxes and hammers they began to tear apart the stone building. Two days later the dome of the tomb had been painted green and bulldozers were clearing the area.
Israeli authority was restored to the site during last April's Operation Defensive Shield, but Israeli worshippers are not allowed to visit and it is not regularly guarded.
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Building at Joseph's Tomb site after Palestinian Authority took control.
Members of the Hassidic Breslover sect have been arrested in attempts to reach the tomb.
The Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, a Jewish center for learning that was closed down at the time of the initial Israeli retreat, issued a press release last week demanding the "immediate safeguarding" of the tomb. The center also asked that it be allowed to reopen its doors on the site.
Yehuda Liebman, the head of Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, told the Jerusalem Post that while the attacks have become more severe, the grave had always been left intact.
Israeli government spokesman Ra'anan Gissin said that the government will find a way to protect the site.

The Israeli news agency Arutz-7 News reports Israel Defense Forces is interested in restoring a Jewish civilian presence to Joseph's Tomb.
"Army officers requested that the government enable Jews to pray and study there, as they did before the Oslo War, but the government did not do so," Lt.-Col. Rabbi Avi Ronsky said.

Gissin said the desecration "shows the moral bankruptcy of the Palestinian Authority and points to the critical need for a change in leadership." Israeli archeologists say they have convincing documentation of the site's authenticity, dating to biblical times. The book of Joshua says, according to the New International Version, "Joseph's bones, which the Israelites had brought up from Egypt, were buried at Shechem in the tract of land that Jacob bought for a hundred pieces of silver from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem. This became the inheritance of Joseph's descendants."

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propagandaish BS
Joseph (PBUH) is burried in Egypt ......
 
propagandaish BS
Joseph (PBUH) is burried in Egypt ......

I respect your belief. How about respecting mine.

Do I not have the right to take my children to a holy place without fear of being kidnaped or killed???? I believe Muslims have that right, yet you all dismiss my claims as BS.

I have gotten all the information I need of your opinions. Feel however you want. And represent yourselves how you wish.


I brought it up because I wanted to take my children there when we go to Israel.
 
You don't respect my belief...... if you did you wouldn't be constantly pointing your accusing finger as we have vandalized the place ... well known fact if they want to go public with this, it will be challenged as historically inaccurate... besides the patriarchs as in Jacob and Abraham are buried in a town called Khalil, even if he were to be next to them there... those aren't the sites mentioned above!....
This is just an attempt by Zionists to steal more land from the Palestinians and claim it for "religious" sanctities... Only the ignorant world believes it ... if anyone knows any fundamental thing about Islam or Muslims is that they would never destroy a grave site belonging to a messenger...... so there is your biggest dent in that theory all together!
And please don't speak to me about how Palis are treated... I get my news sources in places other than fox news....
what did the Ramadan Mous'harati do to Israel that he should be killed for waking people up for fajr prayer time?
that was just the latest.......
 
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You don't respect my belief...... if you did you wouldn't be constantly pointing your accusing finger as we have vandalized the place ...

I'm not accusing any of you for anything more then condoning vandals.

All I wanted to know was why this was happening. All the responses I get are "this is BS", "not Josephs grave" ect... Not interested in arguing. I don't believe in desecrating graves and I do not condone jews that do.

I have actual respect for others faiths.

Discussion over. I have all the info I needed now....

You can continue with your accusations. I just hope you don't represent all Muslims with your claims of "zionist lies" whenever a Muslim may be at fault for destroying something precious to me.

Have a good life. Maybe you will find peace one day.

אנשים בורים
 
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number one. i think that we are all sorry for what happened THREE years ago. we can not all be held responsible for the fustrations of other muslims. and who can blame them? their land has been overtaken by people with a far mightier army and they dont know what to do. the act was cowardly and as i said, we apologise.
number two. why bring this up now? and make it sound as if it has been a recent occurance?
jews have traditionally been given a place of respect by islam and muslims (apart from a brief period by the fatimids), but when the jews decide to take advantage... well we all know that things will not be the same for a long while.
 
I think this is the view of most if not all Muslims ... as no Muslim I know would knowingly destroy the grave of a messenger... In my heart I believe you too have your doubts as to whether or not this really is his resting place! ... you are missing the fundamental basic belief that this couldn't be Joseph's grave........ as he is "precious" to you..... he is "precious" to us and I am sure to the Christians....... You will not find Muslims making toOns or mock drawings of the messenger along with the loads of derogatory remarks and billion hateful books popping out...... it is simply out of character..... it isn't done!..... a CARDINAL SIN.....

I am at peace ... thank you for the warm wishes......
 
Alright so this is the case.

Judaism believes he was burried in Israel.
Islam believes he was buried in Egypt.

I would never destroy the place you thought he was buried, out of respect for you.

The place I believe he was buried has been desecrated, and I am not aloud to pray and take my children there because of fear of being killed.
 
Alright so this is the case.

Judaism believes he was burried in Israel.
Islam believes he was buried in Egypt.

I would never destroy the place you thought he was buried, out of respect for you.

The place I believe he was buried has been desecrated, and I am not aloud to pray and take my children there because of fear of being killed.

would you like to guees why they may want to kill you?
 
would you like to guees why they may want to kill you?

Because I am a Jew.

Wait, before you say it is because of Israel... Maybe we can go by the logic of... Can you guess why an American would want to kill a Muslim...9/11(i don't believe it, trying to make a point) ... Is it not the same logic on your part? So maybe you shouldn't start to justufy them wanting to kill me.
 
Therebbe no one here agrees with what is going on. But look carefully at ur posts. Whether u mean to or not, ur still telling us like we had part in it. Maybe u should rephrase ur sentences.
 
Because I am a Jew.

Wait, before you say it is because of Israel... Maybe we can go by the logic of... Can you guess why an American would want to kill a Muslim...9/11(i don't believe it, trying to make a point) ... Is it not the same logic on your part? So maybe you shouldn't start to justufy them wanting to kill me.

Salaam,

You are hated not becasue of your race,but becasue of your actions.

Did arab or muslim seek your death before Israel ,NO?

Muslim world have cared for the Jews even when you were persecuted by christians in the world history.

And the US already know why the world hates it,they just dont wnat to accept it.

Saddam supported by the US
Iranian Shah supported by the US.
Many more nation with US proxy who torture and oppress their own people all with US aid.
Even now with US aid,the Somalia who now after 16 years of war and strife have peace,but the US are fighting them.

So if you kill and hate,you will be sought to be killed and will be hated back.

It is right for Israel to have self defence but other coutnries cant?
 
I am a pious Jew, and Jews let Muslims pray on our temple mount every friday, and we allow you to pray in any mosque in Israel.

Why not let me and the humble Jews who wish no violence to pray in the tomb of Joseph or at least visit? It ended up being razed by Arab vandals.

The sacred Jewish site regarded as the grave of the biblical patriarch Joseph has been turned into a pile of rubble by Arab vandalsm, and I just wish to know why. :cry: That is all... If we would have razed the gravesite of one of the founders of Islam, billions of Muslims would have taken to the streets. :cry:

Why did you do this to one of our holy sites? It was a place I would have wanted to take my children to.

Can you please explain, or at least condemn the action as one that does not represent your feelings. I'm having a lot of disapointment right now, much more so then anger. :cry:

If Muslims got Jerusalem back, would we be granted prayer at the Western Wall, just like we grant you prayer on the temple mount? Under Arab rule before we were not granted any access to pray.

Firstly, I personally don't think anyone on this forum is responsible for the destruction of those holy sites. I know I'm not, I've never been to Palestine.

Secondly, I know how common it is amongst narrow minded, media controlled people to point the finger at people who were no where near the place where this took place. Just like 911. In my school, WE had a discussion, where one Islamaphobic teacher asked the muslim students in the class: "Why did you crash those planes...?". So it is nothing new for people who have no respect for the religion of Islam and Muslims to throw up such remarks.

Yet you defend and condone the destruction of Jewish ones. Hypocrite.
Just read your posts, and you'll see who really is a hypocrite. And what do you have to say about people who get ideas for new fake holy lands all the time.

As for what would happen if Muslims got Jerusalem back, you can take a look into history, the few centuries that 'christians' ruled Jerusalem, Jews were oppressed by them, when Muslims ruled from 7th century CE to 11th CE, Everyone was treated well, and then oppression started again once the 'christians' took over again. Also, when Muslims fled from europe, Jews went with them, because the new rulers under the reign of pope Urban II believed that it was their "duty to wipe out monotheism from the face of Earch", at the time those present christians were still known as polytheists. Later on they made up a new theological system inwhich they could classify themselves as monotheists, but thats another topic intself.

So when you point the finger of guilt, think first about what you say.
 
I already said I believe it to be wrong, and I am aware of it... while you all continue to condone and defend actions done to a holy place for Jews.

I do not say it is right for anyone to destroy anyones holy sites, even if they are fake. By the way, how do you know who actually vandalised the places? Did they leave their biographies behind or something? Or did you get it from the unreliable MEDIA. Even if they were arabs, how can you garrentee they were Muslims? I'm sure there's more than just Muslims and Jews around there.
 
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You are hated not becasue of your race,but becasue of your actions.
He hasn't done anything yet. Certain people of his religion may have (just like certain muslims like to go on random killing sprees), but that doesn't mean everyone of his religion is. Enough with the group hating and/or collective guilt already. I hate it when it happens to muslims and I hate it even more when muslims do it to others.
Muslim world have cared for the Jews even when you were persecuted by christians in the world history.
Muslims still do care. It's part of Islam to care for thy neighbour, thy brother
and all of God's creations.

It is right for Israel to have self defence but other coutnries cant?
He's not saying that. Therebe is simply asking why he is denied his right to access his religion's sacred site without first being shot at. It's a simple question, but for some bizarre reason has been, on this thread, met by negativity - which is really beginning to tick me off.
 
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Of course I do not. I don't approve on building on any graves. Yet you defend and condone the destruction of Jewish ones. Hypocrite.

I'm really sick of all these accusations! For this I'm going to share with you what caused my head-on collision with Zarqawi. I was searching in Iraq for Ezra's tomb, which I located in a town named after him, Al Uzayr. The Shia had built a beautiful shrine over it to house the tomb. I have pictures of it, and most of the records.

Because I heard the reports in western media about Zarqawi (his supposed hatred for the Jews and the Shia for bowing to them), I thought for sure he'd blow the tomb up if he ever found out about it. The tomb of a Jewish scribe that is honored by the Shia? He could have killed two birds with one stone if that's what he wanted. Imagine my surprize when I found out he had known about this tomb all along!

I know they blamed him for the bombing of the Askyara mosque in Samarra but I don't buy that BS for a minute considering the tomb of Ezra would have been a far more desirable target... yet he never put a hand on it.

If he represents the worst of Muslims to you... it isn't Muslims who are behind the desecration of graves.

Ninth Scribe
 
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And what about the wedding Zarqawi blew up?

Zarqawi didn't blow a wedding up. His Mujahideen were ordered to attack a specified high value target, and one of his men lost it and went into the wedding party.

We have soldiers who disobey directives as well (they killed civilians and raped women), but we didn't order them to that either.

Ninth Scribe
 

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