Why does the Quran deny Jesus as a son of God ?

[davejames2027]

Hello,

I am studying Quran. And I sometimes fall upon surahs like :

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YUSUFALI: Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "AlLah hath begotten a son":

This does not agree with the Truth. Even the jinns knew that Jesus (Yahoshua) was a son of God (Mr 3:11)

What does Mohamed mean when it is written that Allah has not begotten a son ?

Thank you,

a puzzled student

 

[Khaldun]

Allah has certainly not begotten a son, and the Jinns testify to this;

Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn listened, and they said: Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,

Guiding to the right way, so we believe in it, and we will not set up any one with our Lord:

And that He-- exalted be the majesty of our Lord-- has not taken a consort, nor a son:

And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:

And that we thought that men and jinn did not utter a lie against Allah: [Surah Jinn Ayah 1-5]

If Allah HAD taken a son then it would imply that He had a partner and if you say no to this point then by the other definition we are all the "children" of God

And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son.

Certainly you have made an abominable assertion

The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces,

That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God.

And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.

There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent God as a servant. [Surah Maryam Ayah 88-93]

 

[davejames2027]

If Allah HAD taken a son then it would imply that He had a partner and if you say no to this point then by the other definition we are all the "children" of God

And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son.

Certainly you have made an abominable assertion

The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces,

That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God.

And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.

There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent God as a servant. [Surah Maryam Ayah 88-93]

Has not Allah created the angels ?
Has not Allah also created mankind from clay ?

Does Allah need a partner to create from nothing ?
Is Allah a man that He would require a woman to produce His family , of men or angels?

Allah wills something and behold it is created. He does not need a partner to create. Allah is then our Father.

These surahs below are surahs that prove that Mohamed believed every word of the Gospel and the Torah and the Bible. You cannot deny that Jesus is a son of God and call yourself a believer or even a follower of Mohamed because Mohamed himself, I believe, was a true Christian. Jesus is not Allah as Jesus has plainly told us. To say Jesus was a son of God does not put away or even decrease worship to the one true God, which is Allah or Eloah.

Su 3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee step by step, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion of judgment between right and wrong.

Su 3:48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

Su 3:65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?

Su 5:49 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

 

[Khaldun]

Does Allah need a partner to create from nothing ?
Is Allah a man that He would require a woman to produce His family , of men or angels?

Certainly not, thats why Allah says

Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.

by this definition Adam is the "son" of God aswell?

You cannot deny that Jesus is a son of God and call yourself a believer or even a follower of Mohamed because Mohamed himself, I believe, was a true Christian.

I dont think you read the verses I just qouted in my previous post, please read them again.

Allah is then our Father.

So why then single out Jesus as His "son"?

To say Jesus was a son of God does not put away or even decrease worship to the one true God, which is Allah or Eloah.

If Allah himself has said He hasnt begotten a son, will you then ascribe a son to him?

In short us muslims believe that indeed Jesus was a Mighty Messenger, not a son of God but His true Messenger and to elavate him to such a degree would be wrong. And the Ayahs you just qouted are testimony of this, however none of these (or anywhere in the Quran) will you ever find jesus mentioned as the Son of God as a fact.

Say: He, Allah, is One.

Allah is He on Whom all depend.

He begets not, nor is He begotten.

And none is like Him. [Surah Ikhlas]

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello davejames,

018.004
YUSUFALI: Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "AlLah hath begotten a son":

This does not agree with the Truth.

To say that the Qur'an is wrong simply because the Bible says otherwise, is a logical fallacy

Regards

 

[davejames2027]

Hello sir,

You said:

Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.

by this definition Adam is the "son" of God aswell?.

Mt 9:6 "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" ——then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house." (NKJV)

Jesus called himself the son of man , meaning , the son of Adam. Indeed , Jesus was 100% human. When he came, he was not an angel nor indeed was he Allah but he was a man. He was however a sinless man.

You said :So why then single out Jesus as His "son"?

I didn`t say it. Jesus himself said it :

Lu 22:70 Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am." (NKJV)

Do you believe what Jesus said ?

You said :If Allah himself has said He hasnt begotten a son, will you then ascribe a son to him?

There seems to be a conflict. All the words that Jesus spoke, it was not his words ,but it was His Father`s words. What this means is that all the words that Jesus spoke when he was on the earth as a man was Allah`s word. Do you trust Allah ? And Because you agree with me that Jesus was a mighty prophet, then I trust you believe his words.

Joh 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. (NKJV)

Jesus was not the Father nor Allah.

No man has ever heard Allah`s voice.

John 5:36 "But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish——the very works that I do——bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me.
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. (NKJV)

You said:
In short us muslims believe that indeed Jesus was a Mighty Messenger, not a son of God but His true Messenger and to elavate him to such a degree would be wrong. And the Ayahs you just qouted are testimony of this, however none of these (or anywhere in the Quran) will you ever find jesus mentioned as the Son of God as a fact.

You say that Jesus was not a son of God when Jesus himself says so and I believe Mohamed held the view that Jesus is a son of God (even if those surahs appear to say otherwise)

No man should worship Jesus or any angel, nor any idol but AlLah only.

The Quran should be read and studied in conjunction with the Torah (Taurat), the Prophets , and the Gospel.

"Are all of Allah`s commandments written in the Quran ?"
Or again "Did the angel Gabriel tell Mohamed all prophecies and all truths?"

What Gabriel spoke to Mohamed in the 600`s was all truth (whether our Quran today faithfully captures Gabriel`s words in its entirety is another matter). But he didn`t tell him everything because it was already written in the Bible. We cannot take the Quran and use it in isolation (i.e in exclusivity). The reason you cannot is simply because the Quran is commentary on the Bible. The fact that the Roman Catholic church and mainstream Christianity has joined Allah with with His Son as co-eternal and co-equal does not negate the Bible.

The Taurat, Prophets and the Gospel are truth. Mohamed held this view as well. You cannot call yourself a believer or a follower of Mohamed if you do not acknowledge Christ as the son of God. Allah is one. The term "son of God" doesn`t mean that you are AlLah. He is a son of the Father. Gabriel is equally a son of God.

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another By profaning the covenant of the fathers?

Now my problem is why did Mohamed say that Allah does not beget when Allah has so clearly made it known to us that He did beget many sons and daughters.

The only assumptions I can make at this point is that either (1) These surahs in the Quran have been added afterwards OR (2) It is because we do not understand what Mohamed meant when he stated this.

 

[Cheb]

Khaldun you are more knowledgeable than me so I hope you will continue to answer him.
I just have one note however. Davejames you need to understand that what you believe Jesus said and did and what we believe he said and did are different things. Not in all aspects however.
Also read Ansar Al- Adl's comment.
Peace.

 

[mohakem]

Hello davejames2027

There is a very important fact which you may not be aware of just yet. That is, muslims believe that the Bible Has been corrupted. So, copying out passages from your Bible, is not a good enough proof, im sorry to say.

That then negates the first half of your post.

Concerning the rest of your post, i can only say that Isa (Jesus) was a prophet, and not the son of god. May i ask why the Quran should be studied in conjuction with the Bible? After all God states in the Quran that it is a complete guidance for humankind. Assuming your logic is correct, since its the most recent revelation, and using your logic of studying them in conjunction, don't you think it would be wise to follow gods word, and study and use the quran as your sole guidance.

The only assumptions I can make at this point is that either (1) These surahs in the Quran have been added afterwards OR (2) It is because we do not understand what Mohamed meant when he stated this.

I respect your stong belief in the Bible, but just as you think Surahs in the Quran have been added afterwards, we believe passages in the Bible have been changed.

Regards.

 

[davejames2027]

Khaldun you are more knowledgeable than me so I hope you will continue to answer him.
I just have one note however. Davejames you need to understand that what you believe Jesus said and did and what we believe he said and did are different things. Not in all aspects however.
Also read Ansar Al- Adl's comment.
Peace.

Greetings,

What Jesus said is written in the Gospel. Mohamed acknowledged the Gospel as many surahs prove.

Gabriel was the angel that spoke to Mohamed.
Gabriel was also sent to Mariam, the mother of Jesus.

In bold are specifically the words of Gabriel.

Luke 1:26 ¶ Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth,
27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"
29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.
30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
31 "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
32 "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
33 "And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Note archangel Gabriel`s words. This is the same Gabriel that spoke to Mohamed. Mohamed told us to read the Gospel because it is truth and guidance.

Do you believe in Mohamed`s words ?
Do you believe in Jesus` words ?
Do you beleive in Gabriel`s words ?
and finally, will we believe and trust in Allmighty Allah`s words ?

Su 3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee step by step, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion of judgment between right and wrong.
Su 3:48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

David

 

[akulion]

Salam Alaikum

If you continue in Luke 1 from 35 onwards you find:

36 - And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Does this mean Elisabeth was also giving birth to a "son of God" ?


as for your quotation from the Quran in your last post.

Please do not post things out of reference and try and make a connection between them!

Chapter 3
Verses 47 and 48
47 She said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it `Be' and it is!
48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom the Law and the Gospel.

Here the Quran is referring to MARY and Jesus being tought the Law and the Gospel.


Second Verse from Chapter 3 which you were wrongfully linking to verse 48:

Chapter Verse 2 and 3
2 Allah! there is no god but He the Living the Self-Subsisting Eternal.
3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

Form Verse 2 it should be as clear as day light to anyone that there is no God but Allah according to the Quran

And verse 3 speaks about the Quran that it contains confirmation of the TRUE books before it (book of moses & jesus) and NOT the ones which the Christians or Jews claim is the real one.

Why dont we accept the bible?

Because the Bible was written by Luke, Mark, Mathew, Paul and many other people. NOT by God

Whatever book God sent to the people was corrupted by these people and they added to the books for their own purposes.

Finally you can not quote the bible and expect us to take it as the truth because quite frankly we the Muslims do not believe it is the same book that was revealed to Jesus but infact it is the handwritten version by the above named authors.

 

[davejames2027]

Hello davejames2027

There is a very important fact which you may not be aware of just yet. That is, muslims believe that the Bible Has been corrupted. So, copying out passages from your Bible, is not a good enough proof, im sorry to say.

That then negates the first half of your post.

Concerning the rest of your post, i can only say that Isa (Jesus) was a prophet, and not the son of god. May i ask why the Quran should be studied in conjuction with the Bible? After all God states in the Quran that it is a complete guidance for humankind. Assuming your logic is correct, since its the most recent revelation, and using your logic of studying them in conjunction, don't you think it would be wise to follow gods word, and study and use the quran as your sole guidance.



I respect your stong belief in the Bible, but just as you think Surahs in the Quran have been added afterwards, we believe passages in the Bible have been changed.

Regards.

Hello sir,

Logically, if the Bible could be corrupted, do you not think that the Quran could also be corrupted ?

The adversary (Shaitan) seeks to corrupt what is true (He doesnt bother to corrupt what is already false). The Quran, which was Gabriel`s words commanded by Allah in the 600`s is truth.

It is undeniable fact that some verses in the Bible have been corrupt. Shaitan seeks to corrupt what is true. He is the god of this world and has been given rulership of this planet. The verses that have been corrupted have all been exposed and documented. God has granted humanity immense mercy and grace by showing them to us.

We simply need to do some research and pray God that He bestows upon us mercy and He will indeed show us the corrupted verses. The important ones can be found on the internet.

What man among you will not seek and search the precious gem that fell into the barrel of cow dung, and be glad when he finds it ?

 

[mohakem]

Greetings,

Su 3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee step by step, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion of judgment between right and wrong.
Su 3:48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

I dont understand why you have quoted this? Infact, if you have read the previous replies, you will see that us muslims believe that God sent down the original, un-tampered Holy Books.

The post before mine has dealt with 3:48.

Regards.

 

[davejames2027]

Does this mean Elisabeth was also giving birth to a "son of God" ?

Form Verse 2 it should be as clear as day light to anyone that there is no God but Allah according to the Quran

And verse 3 speaks about the Quran that it contains confirmation of the TRUE books before it (book of moses & jesus) and NOT the ones which the Christians or Jews claim is the real one.


Finally you can not quote the bible and expect us to take it as the truth because quite frankly we the Muslims do not believe it is the same book that was revealed to Jesus but infact it is the handwritten version by the above named authors.

I condensed your words here above.

You said : "Does this mean Elisabeth was also giving birth to a "son of God" ?"

No.

You said : "Form Verse 2 it should be as clear as day light to anyone that there is no God but Allah according to the Quran"

Do you know of a verse in the Bible that says that God is not one ?

I have a question for you. What is the penalty for breaking God`s Law ?

 

[mohakem]

Hello sir,

Logically, if the Bible could be corrupted, do you not think that the Quran could also be corrupted ?

The adversary (Shaitan) seeks to corrupt what is true (He doesnt bother to corrupt what is already false). The Quran, which was Gabriel`s words commanded by Allah in the 600`s is truth.

It is undeniable fact that some verses in the Bible have been corrupt. Shaitan seeks to corrupt what is true. He is the god of this world and has been given rulership of this planet. The verses that have been corrupted have all been exposed and documented. God has granted humanity immense mercy and grace by showing them to us.

We simply need to do some research and pray God that He bestows upon us mercy and He will indeed show us the corrupted verses. The important ones can be found on the internet.

What man among you will not seek and search the precious gem that fell into the barrel of cow dung, and be glad when he finds it ?

Hello davejames,

The manner in which the Quran has been revealed and kept means that it is not possible to have been corrupted. This is a completely different subject itself.

Not only that but God has told us that the Quran will never be corrupted or changed.

Since you believe that the Bible should be studied in conjunction with the Quran, who are you (or me, or any human for that matter) to disbelieve God?

Can you explain to me how these corrupt verses in the Bible were highlighted as corrupt? Thank you.

Regards.

 

[akulion]

The penalty for breaking God's law is prescribed according to crime committed.

the Law was sent to humanity not to "cleanse" them of sin - but it was sent to mankind so that they know how to live in accordance to Gods will - simple as that.

I do not mean to put you down in any ways but I would like to use you as an example of the fact that even you do not follow the bible yourself.

you are greeting everyone with "Hello Sir"

But Bible says:

Luke 24:36
[ Jesus Appears to the Disciples ] While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."

John 20:19
[ Jesus Appears to His Disciples ] On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

John 20:21
Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."

John 20:26
A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

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Of course Jesus did not speak English, he said, "Peace be with you!" in his native Aramaic, which was "Shalom aleichem" itself, and we know Aramaic was only a dialect of Hebrew.

Do you ever wonder why Christians do not use the greeting of Jesus (on him peace)? Muslims greet each other with the greetings of Peace just like all the Prophets of God (Peace and Blessings be upon them all). Makes you wonder why the Christians do not relate their greetings to that of their beloved Savior

You have to see the truth that the Bible has been not only corrupted but also has been abandoned with the excuse that "Jesus died for our sins"

That is why Muslims follow the Quran and try their best to do what it says.
Allah sees the intention of the people and judges them.
It is our efforts we are judged on not our "sins" alone.
For sin is nothing for God - he can wipe out the sins of the entire human race with his Mercy alone.

The Books given to Moses and Jesus were only "Parts" and not the whole.

Even Jesus him self said When a diciple asked why not preach to everyone ?
He Said: "I have not but come on to the lost sheep of Isreal"

Further more Jesus is not the only Begotten son of God according to the Bible itself:

BEGOTTEN???

Psalms 2:7….(God said to David)….I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me(David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Matthew 5:48….That you may be the children of your Father..and be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So please I ask you to study more in depth into the Bible and see how people have changed everything around to suit the purposes.

In one part arguments are "literal" in other they become "metaphoric"
Who decides these criterion? The Church?

Furthermore you find in some places in the Bible the word "lord" written in Capitals like so: LORD
In other places you find it in smalls like this "lord"

Bible was in hebrew or Aramiac - whichever language u believe out of the 2 - but the fact is either of these languages DO NOT contain Capitals letters! So who decided what to put in caps and what to put in smalls ?

These are all things to think about

I pray that you see the light insha'Allah
ameen

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hello davejames,

I previously wrote:

To say that the Qur'an is wrong simply because the Bible says otherwise, is a logical fallacy

It seems like the response you are giving me to my post (although you didn't respond directly) is that the Qur'an endorses the Bible, therefore we must believe what is in the Bible. Such a notion is actually far from correct. The Qur'an confirms that the original revelations given to Prophet Moses and Jesus was from God, but not the corrupted form that exists today.

More info here:
http://voiceforislam.com/FarmersMarket.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/188903-post5.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13578-understanding-al-maeda-43-48-a.html

Regards

 

[Turin Turambar]

With all humility, I will tell you what I think really happened 1,400 years ago in those deserts of Arabia. This will explain why is it that the Quran denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

Muhammed was a good man who lived among pagan barbarians, primitive and violent. He saw that something with them was deeply wrong. They were killing each other all the time, partly because they all worshipped different tribal gods.

But there were a few living among them (mostly foreigners) that were very different, they were much more peaceful and kinder to each other. And they shared one characteristic: they were all carrying a little book with them. Because of this they were known among the Arabs as the "People of the Book".

Muhammad developed the idea of giving something like that to his own people, so that they could also become better. But there were two problems: first, some of the commandments of the little book were too difficult to apply in his environment. The sexual restrictions for example. Second, the "People of the Book" were always taking about how the founder of their religion was the Son of God. That was too much for the simple and practical Arabs of the times and the simple and practical Muhammad. He knew that he needed to give his people a new religion, keeping some things of the old one but modifying it to make it suitable to his environment. He was reasonable enough to understand that nobody would take him seriously if he claimed to be a Son of God himself. He was clearly a mere human, all too human in fact.

Thus, he needed to "downgrade", so to speak, the towering figure of Jesus. He decided to give him the role of a prophet. That was still an exalted role but one that he, Muhammad, could try to play without people laughing at him.

So everything began. He started to preach new moral rules to the primitive and savage Arabs of his time. He made sure to link his new commandments to those preached by the "People of the Book" in order to take advantage of the inroads the old religion had already made. In his mind it wouldn't be so difficult to turn the followers of one prophet into the followers of a new prophet. The important thing was to do away with the "Son of God" thing, because that would kill his new religion. He new very well that nobody would ever take him for a Son of God. Jesus had to be a prophet, no more and no less. Prophets, prophets everywhere, thousands of them actualy in the history of mankind. And now another one was preaching and gathering more and more followers.

The rest is history.

 

[davejames2027]

Hello davejames,

The manner in which the Quran has been revealed and kept means that it is not possible to have been corrupted. This is a completely different subject itself.

Not only that but God has told us that the Quran will never be corrupted or changed.

Since you believe that the Bible should be studied in conjunction with the Quran, who are you (or me, or any human for that matter) to disbelieve God?

Can you explain to me how these corrupt verses in the Bible were highlighted as corrupt? Thank you.

Regards.

No one is to disbelieve God ever. Whatever is subject to this physical world is corruptable and Allah knows this. The words that Allah pronounces can never corrupt or be changed. The moment we write God`s words on paper or parchment, it is automatically subject to destruction. (all matter returns to dust) Man is evil.

Just as you cannot read the Talmud in isolation, you cannot read the Quran in its isolation and think you are pleasing and obeying God.

Allah is holy and perfect and He alone is good. He can be seen or heard by no man. Thus Jesus cannot be Allah because we have many witnesses of men hearing him.

Allah is so pure, holy, and perfect that no man that transgresses His Holy Law and continues in its transgression can approach Him in prayer, ever. A sinner is someone who has transgressed God`s Law, even if only in one point. This Law in its entirety is found in the Torah which is in the Hebrew Bible.

The Archangel Gabriel did not recite to Mohamed the Law of God because he (Gabriel) wasn`t sent for that purpose. I believe Gabriel (I may be wrong) was sent to Mohamed because Christianity had begun to join Christ Jesus and Allah as co-eternal and co-equal. The Quran correctly teaches that the "trinity" is false because this was invented in the 300`s.

Do you not be so arrogant to think that in all of mankind`s 6000 years God would reveal the truth to Mohamed only and everybody elses books are corrupted beyond repair. Does not the Quran teach you that God has no pleasure in proud men ?

 

[mohakem]

No one is to disbelieve God ever. Whatever is subject to this physical world is corruptable and Allah knows this. The words that Allah pronounces can never corrupt or be changed. The moment we write God`s words on paper or parchment, it is automatically subject to destruction. (all matter returns to dust) Man is evil.

Just as you cannot read the Talmud in isolation, you cannot read the Quran in its isolation and think you are pleasing and obeying God.

Allah is holy and perfect and He alone is good. He can be seen or heard by no man. Thus Jesus cannot be Allah because we have many witnesses of men hearing him.

Allah is so pure, holy, and perfect that no man that transgresses His Holy Law and continues in its transgression can approach Him in prayer, ever. A sinner is someone who has transgressed God`s Law, even if only in one point. This Law in its entirety is found in the Torah which is in the Hebrew Bible.

The Archangel Gabriel did not recite to Mohamed the Law of God because he (Gabriel) wasn`t sent for that purpose. I believe Gabriel (I may be wrong) was sent to Mohamed because Christianity had begun to join Christ Jesus and Allah as co-eternal and co-equal. The Quran correctly teaches that the "trinity" is false because this was invented in the 300`s.

Do you not be so arrogant to think that in all of mankind`s 6000 years God would reveal the truth to Mohamed only and everybody elses books are corrupted beyond repair. Does not the Quran teach you that God has no pleasure in proud men ?

Hello Davejames,

With all due respect, there are a few things which i think you have misunderstood.

First of all, we muslims follow the Quran. God said in the Quran that it (the Quran) is a complete guidance for all humankind. Why should i need to follow another book, such as the Bible, which you yourself said had been corrupted in some parts. Would it not be more logical to follow the most recent, uncorrupted revelation?

Secondly, the message God has been giving to mankind has never changed. I'm not saying God only gave 'the truth' to Muhammad. No. God has revealed the same 'truth' in each and every book, however these books have been corrupted at some point in time. Not so with the Quran.

I think you'll find the following very useful in understanding how the Quran has been kept free from corruption http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016020&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

You'll find many similarities between the Bible and the Quran such as having good morals and refraining from adultery.

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The moment we write God`s words on paper or parchment, it is automatically subject to destruction.

I agree, which is why the Quran is preserved in full the heart of over 9 million Muslims.

Just as you cannot read the Talmud in isolation, you cannot read the Quran in its isolation and think you are pleasing and obeying God.

This is your opinion. The Quran is complete.

The Archangel Gabriel did not recite to Mohamed the Law of God because he (Gabriel) wasn`t sent for that purpose. I believe Gabriel (I may be wrong) was sent to Mohamed because Christianity had begun to join Christ Jesus and Allah as co-eternal and co-equal. The Quran correctly teaches that the "trinity" is false because this was invented in the 300`s.

An opinion with no real basis.

Do you not be so arrogant to think that in all of mankind`s 6000 years God would reveal the truth to Mohamed only and everybody elses books are corrupted beyond repair. Does not the Quran teach you that God has no pleasure in proud men ?

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Allah revealed truth to all his Prophets. Yet, there was no need to preserve a message meant for certain people at a certain time. The Quran however is for all people through all time - thus why Allah preserved it. It has nothing to do with pride - rather to do with truth.