Why does the west claim that the

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Keltoi said:
That land was taken in a war against Israel by a coalition of Arab states. Perhaps that will be a lesson for them the next time they consider such an act.
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so i guess since US invaded Iraq, grenada, vietnam etc...then they can claim land in the US?
 
sameer said:
so i guess since US invaded Iraq, grenada, vietnam etc...then they can claim land in the US?
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They would have if they had the ability to do so. We probably wouldn't have went to war with those countries again if they had would we?
 
Geronimo said:
They said it shouldn't use human force they didn't, they bought land and was then granted a state by the UN. Show me where it says Israel should not exist.
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True after they gained ownership land was bought and sold. But, who bought the land in 1947 and from whom?
 
Keltoi said:
They would have if they had the ability to do so. We probably wouldn't have went to war with those countries again if they had would we?
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u conviently forgot to answer my other question about incursions after the war
 
sameer said:
ok main word..human...
is it not humans created it?
wheres the messiah? dosent it say that it shall not use human force b4 to establish it b4 the coming of the messiah? therefore it shoudltn be establsihed b4 the coming of the messiah.
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*still waiting for geranimo to point out hte messiah to me*:rollseyes
 
Hey! how about this !?

Why don't the two of you join the peace-keeping force? :)
 
Geronimo said:
But many also didn't convert but you are advocating they leave.
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That is another misconception, if we are advocating the native people who did not convert to leave, than their won't be any palestinian, christian, Jews, in the contrary their are, and has and do exist. We are not against Jew's but the the Zionist state and the people who forcefully took people lands, livelihood with murder and rape of the land that never was theirs and setting up a state.

We are not saying the native Jews or christian to leave, unless you think they never existed. You must note that not all Jews in Israel are native but was immigrated to push up the population so they can set up a majority of goverment and a state on other peoples land which been forcefully stolen.

Is simple, what if Indian comes into britian, expel the native people out of their home and land (stealing it) and set up a state of their own state here in britain with Indian being the Majority.
OF course you will fight against those indian that took your home, in the cost of the blood of your women and childre, and you won't recognise their Indian state and their right to exist.
 
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Geronimo said:
They said it shouldn't use human force they didn't, they bought land and was then granted a state by the UN. Show me where it says Israel should not exist.
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That is another statement that defies logic. They bought the land from the people who are fighting for their land. How could you buy a land were I did not sell it to you, but was expelled from it in the cost of my family e.t.c That is what the people of palestinian are fighting for.

It's stupid to think that someone bought a land from a person who was not willing to sell it to you in the first place, force them to give it up peacefully or not. IT is how the Mafia work's.
 
sameer said:
Why does the west claim that the "state of israel" has a right to exist?
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Because it's there, and has been for 60 years. It's that simple.

I don't see the history as even relevant any more as far as Israel's right to exist is concerned. In 2006, Israel is a nation of 7 million people the vast majority of whom were born there. To them, and to me come to that, it makes the State of Israel proper (as opposed to the occupied territories) their land and their home, and they aren't going anywhere. It is their nation, and they want it to remain so, and no amount of huffing and puffing from those who generally live nowhere near Israel will change that. Its not as if virtually every other nation state on the planet wasn't founded in much the same way... just a little longer ago (and not much in many cases).

Maybe at some time in the future somebody else will occupy/invade/conquer whatever the same land, but I hope not - it really is time our species moved on from that.
 
Trumble said:
Because it's there, and has been for 60 years. It's that simple.

I don't see the history as even relevant any more as far as Israel's right to exist is concerned. In 2006, Israel is a nation of 7 million people the vast majority of whom were born there. To them, and to me come to that, it makes the State of Israel proper (as opposed to the occupied territories) their land and their home, and they aren't going anywhere. It is their nation, and they want it to remain so, and no amount of huffing and puffing from those who generally live nowhere near Israel will change that. Its not as if virtually every other nation state on the planet wasn't founded in much the same way... just a little longer ago (and not much in many cases).

Maybe at some time in the future somebody else will occupy/invade/conquer whatever the same land, but I hope not - it really is time our species moved on from that.
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ok lets say in 1947....what was the reasoning of the implementaion of the state of israel?
 
Trumble said:
Because it's there, and has been for 60 years. It's that simple.

I don't see the history as even relevant any more as far as Israel's right to exist is concerned. In 2006, Israel is a nation of 7 million people the vast majority of whom were born there. To them, and to me come to that, it makes the State of Israel proper (as opposed to the occupied territories) their land and their home, and they aren't going anywhere. It is their nation, and they want it to remain so, and no amount of huffing and puffing from those who generally live nowhere near Israel will change that. Its not as if virtually every other nation state on the planet wasn't founded in much the same way... just a little longer ago (and not much in many cases).

Maybe at some time in the future somebody else will occupy/invade/conquer whatever the same land, but I hope not - it really is time our species moved on from that.
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So what if Indians come and forcefully take the land that is now called Britian, set up their own goverment by expelling the whites and immigrating Indians into it as a majority. Will you be here and say it has been sixty years of systematic expulsion of whites on the blood and life of the whites , women and children but You have to mantain the Indians right to exist their even if the whites don't see it. That the Indian aint moving and they will defend it rightfully. Of course you won't if it happened to you, your children, or family.
 
sameer said:
beacuse they were currently living there for hundreds of years As also were some jews, but how come they did not establish a paletinian State?
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They would have had a Palestianan state in 1947 but they rejected it.
 
Skillganon said:
That is another misconception, if we are advocating the native people who did not convert to leave, than their won't be any palestinian, christian, Jews, in the contrary their are, and has and do exist. We are not against Jew's but the the Zionist state and the people who forcefully took people lands, livelihood with murder and rape of the land that never was theirs and setting up a state.

We are not saying the native Jews or christian to leave, unless you think they never existed. You must note that not all Jews in Israel are native but was immigrated to push up the population so they can set up a majority of goverment and a state on other peoples land which been forcefully stolen.

Is simple, what if Indian comes into britian, expel the native people out of their home and land (stealing it) and set up a state of their own state here in britain with Indian being the Majority.
OF course you will fight against those indian that took your home, in the cost of the blood of your women and childre, and you won't recognise their Indian state and their right to exist.
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You mean like muslims did to India? Remember Pakistan was created the same way Israel was. Like I told another poster that I'm fine with all Jews leaving the ME if all Muslims leave the West.
 
Geronimo said:
You mean like muslims did to India? Remember Pakistan was created the same way Israel was. Like I told another poster that I'm fine with all Jews leaving the ME if all Muslims leave the West.
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or are u just fine with all muslims leaving the west?
 
Skillganon said:
That is another statement that defies logic. They bought the land from the people who are fighting for their land. How could you buy a land were I did not sell it to you, but was expelled from it in the cost of my family e.t.c That is what the people of palestinian are fighting for.

It's stupid to think that someone bought a land from a person who was not willing to sell it to you in the first place, force them to give it up peacefully or not. IT is how the Mafia work's.
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So they didn't buy any land? They just showed up one day out of blue with no guarantee they would have a place to stay? Ssssssuuuuuurrrrrreeeee
 
sameer said:
how about answering the question? since u seem to know soo much?
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Human force can be taken to mean many things. I look at it meaning to physically removing them by force in order to create Israel. That didn't happen.
 
salaam alaikum!

it is written in the torah! the jews have no right to any land!......

yes:brother: sameer looooong time no see:statisfie
 
nennar said:
salaam alaikum!

it is written in the torah! the jews have no right to any land!......

yes:brother: sameer looooong time no see:statisfie
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usually i dont bother to post in the world affairs forum cause ive realise that these guys just dont like muslims....regardless of what they say.
but today i just felt like shooting down all their points and making them show their true colors. :statisfie for all to see.
 

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