Why doesn't every Muslim home have the Hadeeth books?

[Ali_008]

I genuinely appreciate every reply that this thread is receiving and I'm benefittimg from it a lot. May Allah bless all of you. First and foremost, I'm not studying to become a scholar though I'm ambitious in this case. Most of us know that even the Quran and the Hadeeth encourage us to refer to scholars at times of doubt and I truly respect their opinions and the rulings they pass based on the Quran and the Hadeeth. But you can't refer to a scholar for every single thing and you might just end up asking too many questions. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Avoid too much questioning. Generations before you were destroyed because of that." The Hadeeth give us a broader picture of Islam about how each and every second is to be spent. When I see Hadeeth about family and trading, I feel incomplete. Islam is not just Salaah and Fasting and Dhikr and Dua. You have to be a good family man, a good businessman, a good socialite etc and we miss out on those Hadeeth many times.

 

[brotherubaid]

Any one knows if the al albani classification have been translated , if so u can get that u get all the saheeh in opne place , all teh weak n fabricated, so u know first hand which hadeeth to take n which one to leave because of its health.

 

[Ali_008]

^^brotherubaid made an effective point earlier in that post but I think thatpost has been edited because the last time I saw it was a long and interesting one. So I'll try and repeat what he said in the following, Inshallah.

Firstly, I'm very sorry for having ignored this thread after opening it and not keeping it hot.:bump1:

We're in a world today where schools of thought are followed but to which school of thought did our beloved Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) belong to, which school of thought did Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddiq, Hadhrat Umar Farooq, Hadhrat Uthman Ghani, Hadhrat Ali Murtuza (Radhiallahu Anhum) belong to. The schools were formed with absolute pure intentions (I agree to that). but it is possible that a hadeeth might not have reached a particular Imam and so it is not part of their school.

So keeping the above points in mind, it won't be right to follow a particular school of thought blindly. We have to see whats best and evaluate ourselves. Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) followed the Hanbali school because he found it to be sound. The four Imams did not have the access to each and every hadeeth and their sciences but we do. I think finally, I've been able to put forward my point, Alhamdulillah.

Today, many people take the shade under the school of thought with the belief that they're inadequate of understanding of deen and on the day of Judgment, if they had done anything wrong following any of the schools, Allah might forgive them because they followed one particular Imam. In this regard, on the day of Judgment it will be every man for himself and nobody can put forward excuses like "I did this because he told me to do it,, or he misled me..."" Rather in the Qur'an it is mentioned that "recrimination" will be the practice of the people of Hell or The Companions of the Left Hand.

I can't say that one particular school of thought is the ideal way because I haven't studied any of them but it is very well known that each school has accepted Daeef hadeeth in one practice or the other. Watch the following videos, they only give reference to where to keep the hands during Salaah (below the navel, on the navel or on the chest) but again the speaker, Dr. Zakir Naik, is saying what I'm trying to say. Both are brilliant videos, you'll enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBlfDW59VVA

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeGc0zSAlQ

 

[AabiruSabeel]

^^brotherubaid made an effective point earlier in that post but I think thatpost has been edited because the last time I saw it was a long and interesting one. So I'll try and repeat what he said in the following, Inshallah.

That post was not edited or deleted. It was kept in moderation queue to prevent this thread from going off topic.

So keeping the above points in mind, it won't be right to follow a particular school of thought blindly. We have to see whats best and evaluate ourselves. Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) followed the Hanbali school because he found it to be sound. The four Imams did not have the access to each and every hadeeth and their sciences but we do. I think finally, I've been able to put forward my point, Alhamdulillah.

I can't say that one particular school of thought is the ideal way because I haven't studied any of them but it is very well known that each school has accepted Daeef hadeeth in one practice or the other.

No bro, you are assuming here that we have access to each and every hadeeth after 1400 years and the Ahadeeth that even Imams of the Salaf did not know. In fact, Imam Abu Hanifa (RH) is a Tabi'ee. He has a met and seen a few Sahabah practice. And Imam Shafi'ee (RH), Imam Ahmad (RH), and Imam Malik (RH) are all from the next generation, ie they have seen the Tabi'een. They had access to those Ahadeeth as well that have not reached us. There is a possibility that a few Ahadeeth that were available to those Imams with Sound narrations, might have later become weak in it's chain due to later narrators. And there are Hadeeth books that were written after the time of the Imams. So how can you say the Imams didn't have access to Ahadeeth and we have access to them?

I would recommend you to read this book, Legal Status of Following a Madhab by Mufti Taqi Usmani:
http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/LegalStatusOfFollowingAMadhab.pdf


This topic of following a School of Thought was discussed here, you can view the following threads for more details.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134273706-madhab.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/methodology/52890-madhhab-most-correct.html

Books like fazail e amal and others are to be avoided coz they are filled with weak and fabricated , yes there is some good in it , but if u look at some of the Aqaid promoted or mentioned in it you will be surprised.

Riyadh al saliheen is a good book of hadith and The 40 al nawawi is a great way to start , we also have the 40 Ibn rajab al hanbali.

But there is weak ones in riyadh al saliheen also , so always stick to the scholars , stick to the people of knowledge , the big scholars the muhadiths and the people of hadith.

Again bro, the scholars who have compiled these books of Ahadeeth were great scholars of their time. How can we laymen assume that these scholars have included weak and fabricated ahadeeth in their works? It's an allegation out of ignorance.

The books Riyadhus-Saliheen and Fazaile A'mal are the books on Fazail (virtues) of deeds. The 'Ulama have always used and allowed the use of weak ahadeeth in matters pertaining to fazail.

From the Epilogue of hafiz al-Sakhawi's
"al-Qawl al-badi` fi al-salat `ala al-habib al-shafi`"
[The Admirable Doctrine Concerning the Invocation upon the Beloved Intercessor]

Shaykh al-Islam Abu Zakariyya al-Nawawi (rad.ia-LLahu `anhu) said in the 'Adhkar':
"The ulama among the experts in hadith and the experts in law and others have said: it is permissible and (also) recommended that the religious practice (al-`amal) concerning good deeds and good character (al-fadâ'il), encouragement to good and discouragement from evil (al-targhib wa al-tarhib) be based (even) on weak hadith (bi al-hadith al- da`îf) as long as it is not forged (mawdu`).

Source

You can view the following links for more details:
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/hadith_authenticity.shtml
http://engagersindawah.blogspot.com/2008/04/daif-weak-ahadith-pertaining-to.html
http://www.beautifulislam.net/hadith/weak_hadiths.htm

On a side note, the terms Weak, Sound, Authentic Hadith are classifications used for Ahadeeth. They are not similar to the english usage of the word "weak", "sound", "authentic". Weak Hadith does not mean that the Hadith itself is weak. It means that the chain of narrations through which this hadith has reached us is weak. There is a certain element of doubt in one of the narrators in the chain. No scholar on earth, no matter how learned and great he becomes, can say with 100% assurance that a certain weak hadeeth is not the words of Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alaihi waSallam. Maudhu' hadeeth is a different case.

To prevent this thread from going off topic, no more discussion will be allowed on this matter.

 

[Ali_008]

Brother AabiruSabeel, I think you didn't see the videos whose links I posted. I said that some Ahadeeth may not have reached the Imams because I came to know about it from a credible source i.e. Dr. Zakir Naik, those videos being the proof. And if you read"this post", you'll see that the Imams are not being misquoted in the video.

No bro, you are assuming here that we have access to each and every hadeeth after 1400 years and the Ahadeeth that even Imams of the Salaf did not know. In fact, Imam Abu Hanifa (RH) is a Tabi'ee. He has a met and seen a few Sahabah practice. And Imam Shafi'ee (RH), Imam Ahmad (RH), and Imam Malik (RH) are all from the next generation, ie they have seen the Tabi'een. They had access to those Ahadeeth as well that have not reached us. There is a possibility that a few Ahadeeth that were available to those Imams with Sound narrations, might have later become weak in it's chain due to later narrators. And there are Hadeeth books that were written after the time of the Imams. So how can you say the Imams didn't have access to Ahadeeth and we have access to them?

You've made a very great point throughout your post that even daeef Ahadeeth are sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). But Brother my intentions are just to get all of us out of the ambiguity. Let me tell you, I'm a Hanafi to a large extent but the remaining 3 schools keep pecking my head. Its becoming a war day by day about which is the right path. And the criteria for following a Saheeh in preference to a Daeef Hadeeth is another Hadeeth in which Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt. (Tirmidhi)"

Like the example of tomatoes given above by brotherubaid, similarly we accept Saheeh hadeeth in daily matters of life but the most important thing i.e. for Salaah we're ready to compromise with Daeef Ahadeethimsad

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Brother AabiruSabeel, I think you didn't see the videos whose links I posted. I said that some Ahadeeth may not have reached the Imams because I came to know about it from a credible source i.e. Dr. Zakir Naik, those videos being the proof. And if you read"this post", you'll see that the Imams are not being misquoted in the video.



You've made a very great point throughout your post that even daeef Ahadeeth are sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). But Brother my intentions are just to get all of us out of the ambiguity. Let me tell you, I'm a Hanafi to a large extent but the remaining 3 schools keep pecking my head. Its becoming a war day by day about which is the right path. And the criteria for following a Saheeh in preference to a Daeef Hadeeth is another Hadeeth in which Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt. (Tirmidhi)"

Like the example of tomatoes given above by brotherubaid, similarly we accept Saheeh hadeeth in daily matters of life but the most important thing i.e. for Salaah we're ready to compromise with Daeef Ahadeethimsad

I must confess I have not watched the videos that you have linked in the post. It was because I don't take Fatwas from Doctors, I take them from 'Ulama and Muftis. I wonder how you can assume a medical doctor to be a credible source for Religious advice.
I am not discrediting Dr. Zakir Naik here. He has done good work in inter-Religious studies and discussion, but he is not an 'Alim to take his word for Religious matters.

On the topic of authenticity of the Hanafi fiqh, let me relate to you one incident of Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali Al-Hasani An-Nadwi (it's not exaggeration, this is how his name was called when his ghaibana Janaza prayer was led in Masjidul Haram, Makkah by Shaikh Subayyal after Isha on 27th night of Ramadhan, 1420 AH, Alhamdulillah, I was present there). He was once invited to Kerala (a State in south India) and there he said in a speech, (I paraphrase it) after all these years of learning and teaching the Qur'an and Hadeeth, I have more reliance on the knowledge of the 'Ulama and Fuqaha who have lived in the first three generations of Islam than my own knowledge. I still can not rely on my own knowledge and say this ruling/view is right and this is wrong. All I can say is that the 'Ulama, and Fuqahaa who have lived in the first three generations, they were among the Khairul Quroon, and I say, therefore, that I rely on their knowledge and accept what they have derived from the Qur'an and Hadeeth as correct.

If you are unaware of how widely accepted Maulana Ali Miyan was, then you can have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Abul_Hasan_Ali_Hasani_Nadwi You may also watch a video of him receiving the Dubai International Award for the Holy Quran here: http://www.bhatkallys.com/audio/nadvi/Jaiza_dubai.wmv

Now this was enough off topic discussion. If you want to say anything more off topic, then PM it.