Why don't Muslims believe in the Trinity?

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PRISONERofJOY12 said:
3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

Yes you are right...
But Jesus was God incarnated... that is how...
you have a spirit?
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Sorry, I forgot to answer your query in my previous post, so i'll do it now.

Think about this too. Let's put it like this: God is 'running the show', right? But if, according to your belief, God died, then...who is running the show? God does not die.

I wont answer the question about whether I have a spirit just yet. As Bro. Ansar explained above, the topic is about the Trinity, so let's discuss that first.
You see, you quoted Jesus said: KJV---"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come" (John 16:13).
Here, Jesus is prophesising the advent of someone. I have never seen so many masculine pronouns in one sentence. 7 masculine pronouns, if I am correct. If a spirit is a 'spirit', then do you not think the correct pronoun to use would be 'it' instead of 'he'? We as Muslims believe that in this sentence, Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was talking about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). If we break the above verse down into components, we can also support the fact that Jesus was talking about Muhammad (peace upon them both). Unfortunately, I am in a bit of a rush at the moment and we'll have to talk about this later.

To clarify also the question you asked Lyesh about Adam. yes, Adam was created by God. All Lyesh is saying, is that Jesus was also a creation of God. She is trying to say, that Adam has more of a right to be called 'Son of God' because he had no human father and no human mother. Jesus however, although he had no human father, he had a human mother.

You would be very welcome to read the Quran. It is your right. I am sure you will find the Chapter of Mary very interesting. We hold Mary, the mother of Jesus in very high regard. We also see Jesus as one of the greatest Prophets sent by Almighty God.

Peace bro.
 
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yeah your right Jesus is not God he is a word from God... even if the word of God never have came the trinity would have still stayed... alive... Jesus was with God the father from the beginning.. long before any other human
 
I never said he lied, I said christians misinterpret him. Two difrent things.
 
First of all, no I don't know what follows on that sentence
Secondly since when is
I am the way = I am God?
thirdly maybe it's time to mention that christianity has frequently altered the bible. the vatican even posted an open leter recently that whole chapters of the bible are made up.
 
PRISONERofJOY12 said:
because Jesus is God, Adam was created BY God, he is not God

what do you mean it keeps changing?
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How do you know? If you say that Jesus is God, because he did not have a father, then Adam also did not have a father!! and he didn't even have a mother!!! JESUS HIMSELF WAS CREATED BY ALLAH!!! AND ADAM WAS ALSO CREATED BY ALLAH!!! so Jesus can't be God!!!

I told you! Prove your word! can you do that! Prove it! PROVE IT by producing even one chapter of the Quran! prove it by changing the Quran! You can never do it!!!!! If you say that Jesus is God then Prove your word!!! whats the answer you have for that? no answer? :)
 
where did jesus say he was God. where did it ever mention trinity in the original Bible? by calling Jesus God you are putting up a lie against him
 
lyesh said:
How do you know? If you say that Jesus is God, because he did not have a father, then Adam also did not have a father!! and he didn't even have a mother!!! JESUS HIMSELF WAS CREATED BY ALLAH!!! AND ADAM WAS ALSO CREATED BY ALLAH!!! so Jesus can't be God!!!

I told you! Prove your word! can you do that! Prove it! PROVE IT by producing even one chapter of the Quran! prove it by changing the Quran! You can never do it!!!!! If you say that Jesus is God then Prove your word!!! whats the answer you have for that? no answer? :)
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because JESUS IS THE WORD and the WORD came from GOD that is how... THE SPIRIT is GODS SPIRIT.. for instance if this helps... no one knows you better than you.... now the things you know just think how much God knows... GOd knows everything... so the spirit is sent to remind us of what we have learned.
 
The word spirit has several meanings e.g 'She received her visitors in good spirits' meaning a good mood.

You are not even reading the original Bible which was written in Hebrew and Greek, but a translation. As you have seen the biblical contradictions, how can you assume that the translations are correct? And why do you continually ignore the contradictions? What have you got to say about the errors in the Bible?
 
Yes, the Trinity is a highly confusing subject to speak about. However, who can expect to understand God? He is beyond us.

but here it goes... in the beginning was the word ( JESUS ), and the Word was with God. and the WORD WAS GOD. He was with God in the beginning... when you make up something it is your words...so to God it is Gods words...
now the WORD becomes flesh before the JESUS DIED JESUS SAID THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL COME AND remind you everything that I HAVE SPOKEN..
 
Nadia Waheed said:
The word spirit has several meanings e.g 'She received her visitors in good spirits' meaning a good mood.

You are not even reading the original Bible which was written in Hebrew and Greek, but a translation. As you have seen the biblical contradictions, how can you assume that the translations are correct? And why do you continually ignore the contradictions? What have you got to say about the errors in the Bible?
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all that matters is the message... it is only a few errors but again I have given you notes that suggest reasons on the errors.. so the errors are nothing that we don't know about.. pluss in REVELATIONS it says


18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen

so they really had no reason to change it..
 
PRISONERofJOY12 said:
because JESUS IS THE WORD and the WORD came from GOD that is how... THE SPIRIT is GODS SPIRIT.. for instance if this helps... no one knows you better than you.... now the things you know just think how much God knows... GOd knows everything... so the spirit is sent to remind us of what we have learned.
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Jesus never said that!!!! If he is God then he should have told that!
I said prove ur word!!!!!!!!!!
if thts the truth prove it!!!!!!!!
and i told u before how you should prove it!!!!!
Make one chapter of the Quran and show us!!!!!!
PROVE IT!!!!!
 
The trinity is really confusing and that is what causes people to turn away..

Your right that we dont understand God completely - but this is why God knows we cant, hence God makes it easier for people to understand.

Religions easy, and if it was so complicated - then people would turn away, this has happened to alot of christians and believing in One God Alone, without any partners, and that is the Only God we turn to and ask for help makes it easier for us to believe.

I've asked this again and again, but i want to ask - even though God did make jesus (peace be upon him) born without a father, what made God choose jesus as his Own son?

God doesn't need any children to put His Message across, all He needs to do is send messengers to put His Point forward, isn't that more easier and more real to believe?
 
Regarding the Trinity: If you take a cube of ice...you have ice. If you melt this cube of ice, you have water. If you heat this water, you have steam. If you freeze this steam, you have ice. This ONE "piece" of water can be manifested in three ways. It is not water, gas, and metal--three different things. God is God; He is also Jesus Christ; He is also the Holy Spirit--3 in 1, not three in three.
 
Good point.

But we still dont believe that God is so weak that he has to sacrifice himself to forgive the sins of humans.

Thats an embarassing situation - for God to place himself on a cross and let people drive nails through his hands, yet he wont stop them. Then later to say that its being done to save the future generations..


I'm sorry i'm not trying to offend anyone in no way - but we believe God can easily forgive sins if you turn towards Him in repentance.
 
See the problem with the H2O example is that water gas and ice are just difrent states of the same thing. Wheras son father and spirit suggest 3 difrent pieces. Not three times the same thing in a difrent state but three difrent enteties who form one.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
The trinity is really confusing and that is what causes people to turn away..

Your right that we dont understand God completely - but this is why God knows we cant, hence God makes it easier for people to understand.

Religions easy, and if it was so complicated - then people would turn away, this has happened to alot of christians and believing in One God Alone, without any partners, and that is the Only God we turn to and ask for help makes it easier for us to believe.

I've asked this again and again, but i want to ask - even though God did make jesus (peace be upon him) born without a father, what made God choose jesus as his Own son?

God doesn't need any children to put His Message across, all He needs to do is send messengers to put His Point forward, isn't that more easier and more real to believe?
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it might have been easier to do that.. but would that really have showed what God also stands for? caring, loving.. Jesus himself is the word that became flesh... I am sorry I can't explain things more easier... but just because I don't understand something doesn't make me turn away.. as again when I am in heaven all of our questions will be answered.
agian it is the message that brought me here.. it isn't about who God is as because God doesn't care who I am ( personality wise )
 
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