Why is God right?

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Hello.

I've been thinking alot about theistic morality lately and trying to better conceptualize it.

If you wish to aid me, then if you'd be so kind, could you answer these two questions for me.

1. IF I came up to you and handed an essay which as far as you can tell, details a wonderous political, economic, and moral system but was agaisnt what God says according to the Qur'an/Bible etc. Who's side would you take and why?

2. (Assuming you answered God's side in the first Q) Lets say you have two spiritual beings telling you to listen to them. They say the other is evil and that it is an agent of God and the other is an agent of Iblis. What would be your criteria to pick which is which?

Thanks in advance for your replies:D
 
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As a muslim, I believe there is only One God and He knows all, no one knows more than He does.
 
this question has been answered before under 'who created God'
I suspect it is one of the reasons the regulars can't arouse enough enthusiasm for the topic.. try rummaging through old threads, see if your answers lie in their midst-- I suspect they won't be unless they foster your frame of thinking then maybe someone can get back to you preferably the christian crowd..

Muslim thinking should lead to a full stop at the very first point of causality.. there are no sons, daughters or holy spirits in one to fight amongst themselves or be superior to one another!..


cheers
 
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well because as humans we dont know what is good or what is right because something which is seen as good in a country could be seen as opposite somewhere else, so there has to be something which knows the answer and knows how to make right judgement. (god)

Oke imagine u walk into a room with alot of paintings and u want to know who painted them. how you going to know that? a beginner might look on the paintings to look for similarities, he painted a tree, on this one a house. but an expert would look closely to the way its painted and see the similarities(because in a way they are the same). same with our creation we are all the same in a way(plants, animals etc) there are so many similarities that some theories suggest we came from one source. so this shows that have been created by just one creator, because if there were many creations, then surely there would of been many styles of creation and things might of not run smooth.

my knowledge is very limited so i anwered to the best of my ability, hope for a sister/brother to correct me or explain it better:)
 
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oh sorry you asked "why"
it's really hard to explain that to someone who doesn't even believe God exists.
i guess because I believe that God is a creator of everything, all laws of physics etc
also God, knows best because he is the one who is the originator and creator of everything...

For you to see my answer as an answer to your question, you have to understand my belief in God.
 
"What if" questions really aren't that useful when speaking of the Creator, especially when speaking to someone of the Abrahamic faith. One God, One Truth.
 
ikaj said:
oh sorry you asked "why"
it's really hard to explain that to someone who doesn't even believe God exists.
i guess because I believe that God is a creator of everything, all laws of physics etc
also God, knows best because he is the one who is the originator and creator of everything...

For you to see my answer as an answer to your question, you have to understand my belief in God.
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Being a former christian, I understand belief in God.

You answered the first question and I thank you. So now to my second one. Assuming a sort of meta-god poped up. Would he be more right than God classic?
 
Isambard said:
Hello.

I've been thinking alot about theistic morality lately and trying to better conceptualize it.

If you wish to aid me, then if you'd be so kind, could you answer these two questions for me.

1. Is God correct because he is God? That is, if I came up to you and handed an essay which as far as you can tell, details a wonderous political, economic, and moral system but was agaisnt what God says according to the Qur'an/Bible etc. Who's side would you take and why?

2. (Assuming you answered God's side in the first Q) Lets say you somehow met God, but also found out there is a God above him, a Meta-God if you will. Would the meta-god always be correct vs. the now inferior god?

Thanks in advance for your replies:D
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1. I wouldn't accept your essay over God's word. First, I already know you're a mere human so, you may be a good writer, but you are not a creator. You are not better or no less than I am. It's not a matter of what seems to be a wonderful society...it's WHY you have the laws you do, WHY your political system is better, etc. I didn't embrace Islam because someone said it was better...it also has to be logical. There has to be reasons and meanings for WHY you did something. It has to be all encompassing with social laws, criminal laws, etc., etc. And, it would have to be written without error, etc., etc., etc.

2. This is difficult to answer because for a believer the idea of a "greater god" is ludicrous. We believe there is none greater, we believe He wasn't created, etc. So, it's like asking "Can God make a rock so big that even He can't lift it?"

Basically the next question would be who created the "lesser god" and what if there was another even greater, greater god. This just doesn't make sense and is definitely not logical. Because, for me, Islam is logical, this is not a concept that I can grasp. Hmmmm, can't really explain what I'm trying to say.

LOL, ok, not sure if that makes sense, but that's my contribution. :p I'll give it more thought and see if I can make my point easier to understand. lol

Peace,
Hana
 
Keltoi said:
"What if" questions really aren't that useful when speaking of the Creator, especially when speaking to someone of the Abrahamic faith. One God, One Truth.
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Expect as I mentioned in my OP, this isnt about the nature of a creator deity. Its about conceptualizing theistic morality.

Basically as I understand it. God is right because he is so powerful. So my hypothetical is would God be as right if there was another God more powerful than he.
 
Isambard said:
Being a former christian, I understand belief in God.

You answered the first question and I thank you. So now to my second one. Assuming a sort of meta-god poped up. Would he be more right than God classic?
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i believe i tried and put it into an answer
 
ikaj said:
oh sorry you asked "why"
it's really hard to explain that to someone who doesn't even believe God exists.
i guess because I believe that God is a creator of everything, all laws of physics etc
also God, knows best because he is the one who is the originator and creator of everything...

For you to see my answer as an answer to your question, you have to understand my belief in God.
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He wants to know why the laws of God, over the laws of Isambard..
the simple fact is a divine law should be satisfactory to human nature on both noetic and a spiritual level-- assure security for the whole of society and not just satisfy the individual need!
people have been trying to bypass divine law/justice for ages, because they don't like this or they don't like that. But there is always a burden to that decision until at some point society will cavort in total moral decay under the guise of 'freedom'!

:w:
 
Hana_Aku said:
1. I wouldn't accept your essay over God's word. First, I already know you're a mere human so, you may be a good writer, but you are not a creator. You are not better or no less than I am. It's not a matter of what seems to be a wonderful society...it's WHY you have the laws you do, WHY your political system is better, etc. I didn't embrace Islam because someone said it was better...it also has to be logical. There has to be reasons and meanings for WHY you did something. It has to be all encompassing with social laws, criminal laws, etc., etc. And, it would have to be written without error, etc., etc., etc.

2. This is difficult to answer because for a believer the idea of a "greater god" is ludicrous. We believe there is none greater, we believe He wasn't created, etc. So, it's like asking "Can God make a rock so big that even He can't lift it?"

Basically the next question would be who created the "lesser god" and what if there was another even greater, greater god. This just doesn't make sense and is definitely not logical. Because, for me, Islam is logical, this is not a concept that I can grasp. Hmmmm, can't really explain what I'm trying to say.

LOL, ok, not sure if that makes sense, but that's my contribution. :p I'll give it more thought and see if I can make my point easier to understand. lol

Peace,
Hana
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some people are better at explaining than others..i wish i could put it into words like that lol
 
Isambard said:
Expect as I mentioned in my OP, this isnt about the nature of a creator deity. Its about conceptualizing theistic morality.
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Conceptualizing theistic morality...

Well, I suppose the question you're posing is whether God's morality is the same as our own? Or whether human morality is better or worse than God's morality?

Since we're throwing around concepts without taking into account the nature of the Creator, here is one I've heard before. If God commanded you to kill an innocent child, would you do it? My answer, absolutely not, because my personal morality would stop me from doing so. Then you must explore where morality comes from. Is it a strictly human mental and emotional effect? Or is it derived as a reflection of God's Will?

If we are speaking about THE God, the One people of faith know, this "what if" scenario is pointless and meaningless, since the nature of God cannot be ignored for the sake of a conceptual question.
 
the answer is easy...

in islamic concept of God...

Allah is always right...


p/s:- :uuh: don't ask me why?
 
Keltoi said:
Conceptualizing theistic morality...

Well, I suppose the question you're posing is whether God's morality is the same as our own? Or whether human morality is better or worse than God's morality?

Since we're throwing around concepts without taking into account the nature of the Creator, here is one I've heard before. If God commanded you to kill an innocent child, would you do it? My answer, absolutely not, because my personal morality would stop me from doing so. Then you must explore where morality comes from. Is it a strictly human mental and emotional effect? Or is it derived as a reflection of God's Will?

If we are speaking about THE God, the One people of faith know, this "what if" scenario is pointless and meaningless, since the nature of God cannot be ignored for the sake of a conceptual question.
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Bah!

You contradicted the theory I was putting together!

Im uncertain what you mean by throwing around concepts. Despite the wild imaginings of PA, no I do not have an agenda beyond knowing the answer to the second question. The first one is more of a buffer :D

What I want to find out is if theistic morality is based on rule of the strongest or if its something else. This is easy to answer if you add a more powerful meta God into the equation in the form of a hypothetical.

So, if God told you to kill a child you say you wouldnt do it as it would violate your personal morality. But how do you reconcile the admitted genocides and mass killings God either commanded or did himself in the Bible? Wouldnt what allows you to follow God's will despite all he did in the past allow you to kill that child?
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
He wants to know why the laws of God, over the laws of Isambard..
the simple fact is a divine law should be satisfactory to human nature on both noetic and a spiritual level-- assure security for the whole of society and not just satisfy the individual need!
people have been trying to bypass divine law/justice for ages, because they don't like this or they don't like that. But there is always a burden to that decision until at some point society will cavort in total moral decay under the guise of 'freedom'!

:w:
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I love how you reach a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever. More impressive is that evidence for my motives is both abundant and clear.

I kindly ask you to stay out of this thread as it would seem it is beyond you.
 
syilla said:
the answer is easy...

in islamic concept of God...

Allah is always right...


p/s:- :uuh: don't ask me why?
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Ah but the why is the most interesting part!

Is Allah always right because he is the mightiest, or is there something else...?
 

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