Why is it that it seems ok to promote the idea of a Muslim conspiracy to rule ?

[Ramadhan]

Well played here SorayaCali. You necromanced one of the many threads in which muslims said incredibly racist and offensive things JUST before you got banned for doing something similar (I presume after reading the ww3 thread). Seriously though, why play those games? This is their house and we are guests. They do have a few petulant children in the house who like to attack us, but we need to ignore them to conversation can with the others. Don't become a petulant child yourself. You'll see the exact same thing on atheist boards, christian boards, conservative boards, and liberal boards. Its the minority view person that has to have the thicker skin.

You truly have no idea the filth SayonaraCali have spewed, unprovoked, in the other threads that have since been removed.
I now truly believed she is not what/who she claimed to be.

Maybe if you don't see it, then they don't exist?

Goes to show that you cannot always depend on your senses and intelligence to ascertain truth, eh?

 

[Santoku]

Muslims did not just take over countries to rule over them as kings and rip their resources, the status quo was that whoever gained enough power just ennexed other lands to their kingdom and demanded a permanent tax - regardless of who they were.
the Muslim rulers would send epistles to the kings of other lands
1. inviting them to Islam
2. giving them the option to pay the tax to them instead of it stopping at the current occupying king - whether from Rome or Persia or anywhere else - and allowing them to tell people about Islam.
3. war

No matter how many times I read this it comes out as naked aggression.

"Either join us, pay us protection and allow us to subvert your people or we will attack you."

Can't see any other way of interpreting it.

 

[جوري]

No matter how many times I read this it comes out as naked aggression.

"Either join us, pay us protection and allow us to subvert your people or we will attack you."

Can't see any other way of interpreting it.

That's because you're an ignoramus:
Jizya is taken from non-Muslims in lieu of their lives, wealth and honor. Thus, whenever Muslims felt that they couldn’t fulfill this responsibility, they returned the amount of Jizya to the non-Muslims.

In the Battle of Yarmouk, when the commander of the Islamic army, Hadhrat Abu ‘Ubaidah (May Allah be well pleased with him) had to leave the city of Homs for strategic reasons, he returned the whole amount of Jizya to the non-Muslims and said: We had taken the responsibility of protecting you. In lieu of that you had given us Jizya. Now we are unable to fulfill this responsibility. Thus, we are returning the amount to you.

This behavior of Muslims brought tears to the eyes of the residents of Homs. They started praying: May Allah bring you back safe and sound and give you domination over your enemies. If it were the Romans, they would not have returned even a soiled dime. (Futuh Ul Buldaan, Vol. 1, Pg. No. 162)

Every time I pay taxes here half of my salary literally goes to do the opposite, subvert others and attack them needlessly.
You've no morals and no war ethics and so naturally have a desire to project your own inadequacy which you drop along with cognitive conservatism wherever you go and stink up the place..

God I hate people who leak!

 

[Santoku]

Well Bluebell I note you do not dispute my analysis of the demands made.


That is a charming story, I wonder where did it come from? Who wrote it?

As for your last we all have things we dislike, some show forbearance, some unleash a torrent of venom.

As for this comment "You've no morals and no war ethics and so naturally have a desire to project your own inadequacy which you drop along with cognitive conservatism wherever you go and stink up the place.."

I think that you do not know me, you only know that I dare to oppose your beliefs and that that entitles you to insult me and launch a vitriolic attack on me, I would match my personal morals against anyones and since I have made no comment on war you have no idea what I think or what my ethics are.

 

[جوري]

Well Bluebell I note you do not dispute my analysis of the demands made.

what analysis pray do tell? does poop on a dung beetle's a$$ count as analysis now a days?

That is a charming story, I wonder where did it come from? Who wrote it?

It is called history although I'd recommend you enroll in some remedial courses first!

As for your last we all have things we dislike, some show forbearance, some unleash a torrent of venom.

In your case just pure useless manure unfortunately!

As for this comment "You've no morals and no war ethics and so naturally have a desire to project your own inadequacy which you drop along with cognitive conservatism wherever you go and stink up the place.."

I think that you do not know me, you only know that I dare to oppose your beliefs and that that entitles you to insult me and launch a vitriolic attack on me, I would match my personal morals against anyones and since I have made no comment on war you have no idea what I think or what my ethics are.

Not really, you write simply to display your hatred to anything Islamic and to be objectionable not out of knowledge or reason!.. I am not under any obligation to accommodate pseudo-intellects if I can even be so generous nor have I desire to be politically correct. You don't get to define for me what's appropriate least of which when your basic knowledge could be better summed up in the words of a babbling three year old..

best,

 

[Pygoscelis]

I think that you do not know me, you only know that I dare to oppose your beliefs and that that entitles you to insult me and launch a vitriolic attack on me

Don't feel special. She's a "soldier". In my time here I have yet to see her write civilly to anybody who doesn't blindly support Islam. And if you call her out on this tribal nature of hers she flips out entirely. ;D

 

[Pygoscelis]

You truly have no idea the filth SayonaraCali have spewed, unprovoked, in the other threads that have since been removed.
I now truly believed she is not what/who she claimed to be.

You are correct that I didn't see all the posts posted by the person that was banned. Was she posting wishes for muslims to die? I did see a few of her posts and they were pretty rude, but nothing approaching what Bluebell here and CosmicPathos post on a regular basis. But as I said, as the outgroup of the board, we really do need to have the thicker skin, as is the case with the outgroups on other boards (including atheist and christian boards) and she apparently didn't have one and lashed out.

 

[جوري]

She's a "soldier".

That I am ...

best,

 

[Aprender]

I did see a few of her posts and they were pretty rude, but nothing approaching what Bluebell here and CosmicPathos post on a regular basis. But as I said, as the outgroup of the board, we really do need to have the thicker skin, as is the case with the outgroups on other boards (including atheist and christian boards) and she apparently didn't have one and lashed out.

You really have no idea what you are talking about and I think it's best for you to not to comment on the people that you know nothing about. You don't know them and you CERTAINLY don't know SorayaCali or the extent of the things that she said to members on the message board and offline of this message board. No one said anything to her to make her "lash out". That was on her on whim due to her strong dislike for Muslims and the religion of Islam. You don't know the circumstances of her situation so I think it's best that you refrain from giving your 2 cents on something that you know nothing about.

You're lucky that you and other disrespectful pseudo intellects (not putting you into that category) here get to only be the "outgroup" on a mere message board where as practicing Muslims are the "outgroup" of the entire world. Deal with that and then you'll really know what it means to have thick skin....

You have it easy.

 

[جوري]

You really have no idea what you are talking about and I think it's best for you to not to comment on the people that you know nothing about. You don't know them and you CERTAINLY don't know SorayaCali or the extent of the things that she said to members on the message board and offline of this message board. No one said anything to her to make her "lash out". That was on her on whim due to her strong dislike for Muslims and the religion of Islam. You don't know the circumstances of her situation so I think it's best that you refrain from giving your 2 cents on something that you know nothing about.

You're lucky that you and other disrespectful pseudo intellects (not putting you into that category) here get to only be the "outgroup" on a mere message board where as practicing Muslims are the "outgroup" of the entire world. Deal with that and then you'll really know what it means to have thick skin....

You have it easy.

It is a good defense mechanism to deal with uncomfortable situations with humor maybe even a little cynicism to uplift his wounded pal.. you see as tribal as we are and we're quite a large tribe here.. they're indeed a small tribe of two, and not the witty mordant or well read type either.. so when the other jack can't come up with a reasonable rebuttal to returned Jizyah his solitary assail has come up empty and if he'd simply read history and nothing I particularly quoted he'd see it as a reason many southeast Asian countries entered into Islam not merely return of Jizya alone but the mannerism and ethics of Muslims to which they responded almost in totality.
The people of Afghanistan are unconquerable so tells us history of the grave yard of empires.. but they were of the same nature when they were Buddhists, so how is it that they embraced Islam in totality, when the British, Soviets and Americans with their 'fantastic might' failed?
Deductive reasoning isn't the strong suit of the atheist or haters.. so we can't blame them for not appreciating just how droll we find them..

 

[Scimitar]

Was she posting wishes for muslims to die?

Dude, this is nothing new to us Muslims, we here this kinda nonsense all the time. But what she wrote - HAD TO BE DELETED TOTALLY (the ban was a merciful act on IB's behalf because I was ready to unleash my troll personality on her - I can't even bring myself to recall her words.)

Let it rest at that. And for your information, I have read CosmicPathos' and Bluebells posts and they do not even touch on the word "trolling", whereas SayonaraCali... oops, I mean SorayaCali, was a walking talking trollfest here on this forum. She even admitted she wanted to get banned and was engineering it by being a total letdown to your kind.

Ontopic... No - there is no conspiracy for Muslims to rule, get REAL. Our Khailphate fell in 1924. Since then we just want our Khaliphate back. Sod the rest... they'll take a look at our example and compare with their own "free" lives and "psychologist" culture - realising that they have indeed been misled into a false ideology that brings no peace to any region, locality or even to the self.

And that's where Islam wins out.

Peace to you, Scimi

 

[جوري]

^^ lol jzk don't worry about it too much .. You know when that girl said 'have you been sheltered all your life you can't even get under my skin' I genuinely smiled of Muslim mannerism al7mdlillah an ummah based on haya I have a long way to go still .. I don't in fact think you've it in you to be cruel or troll like least of which to a female creature ..
One of the things I have in common with cosmic though styles differ is medicine it will do that to you well many bad things that need to be reconciled with humanness anyway ... I don't think I'd be happy if you changed your character for her ilk or his .. . They come and go and in the scheme of things really dont matter...

Not sure how autocorrect worked here but I always read amusing things the next day when I have another look lol ...
Gnight insha'Allah or good day

 

[Scimitar]

Actually, a few of my posts were deleted too, I don't know why... well maybe because I was responding to her nonsense, and the thread got taken offtopic. I did ask if I could call her 'Sayonaracali' though... does that count as trolling? :S

Goodnight/morning to you to sis.

Assalaam Alalikum, Scimi

 

[Santoku]

what analysis pray do tell? does poop on a dung beetle's a$$ count as analysis now a days?



It is called history although I'd recommend you enroll in some remedial courses first!
In your case just pure useless manure unfortunately!


Not really, you write simply to display your hatred to anything Islamic and to be objectionable not out of knowledge or reason!.. I am not under any obligation to accommodate pseudo-intellects if I can even be so generous nor have I desire to be politically correct. You don't get to define for me what's appropriate least of which when your basic knowledge could be better summed up in the words of a babbling three year old..

best,

You really are not very sure of yourself are you?

If you cannot meet someone on the intellectual plain you just scream insults at them until they give up trying to have a civil discussion with you and then you scream "Victory, I have won, see they flee!!"

 

[~Zaria~]

^ I have not completely followed this discussion, but I was just wondering......


How does one gain a reputation of -244?

Interesting.......o_o

 

[جوري]

You really are not very sure of yourself are you?

If you cannot meet someone on the intellectual plain you just scream insults at them until they give up trying to have a civil discussion with you and then you scream "Victory, I have won, see they flee!!"

I rebutted you before exposing you for an ignoramus which is the fun part.. I don't know how they do things in your neck of the woods but we're not interested in your opinion. We're here to discuss facts, not your dislike of Islam.. You have other forums to pursue that endeavor with like minds..

best,

 

[Scimitar]

If you cannot meet someone on the intellectual plain you just scream insults at them until they give up trying to have a civil discussion with you and then you scream "Victory, I have won, see they flee!!"

Really? I see a double standard here. Since I've been a member of this forum, I have only known a handful non Muslim members who have no problem with Muslims or Islam - but the rest are like you, you seem to want to rattle our cage but when we rattle yours back, you become very irate and get offended very easily - is this how fragile your belief system is? Let me remind you that whenever you were rebuttled, you instantly went on the back foot, defensive and borderline sarcastic.

Muslims on this forum are also members of other Islamic forums, and I will let you in on a little inside joke. We've seen your baseless rebuttles against worded differently time and again. Sometimes we've even noticed sloppy copy/pasta jobbies from anti-Islam sites just to rile up our anger towards you guys and maybe say out of turn. But I tell you now, we've seen all this so many times before that now, we just smile and think "ok, i got a live one here - time to give him a dose of history"... something you lot have not learnt to do properly yet. You study history from the only perspective you know, the western perspective. Need I remind you that the ones who propagate the common view of history are the winners of wars - even if they were in the wrong. I ask you to study the histories of Islam comparatively - you might even discover that you own your renaissance to us Muslims... heck, if it wasn't for us Muslims you'd still be walking around smelling like a 9 day old smelly sock, we're the ones who taught you about hygeine and the use of soap... I can carry on and on but you know what? You won't listen...

I'm expecting your rebuttal.

Scimi

 

[Pygoscelis]

If you cannot meet someone on the intellectual plain you just scream insults at them until they give up trying to have a civil discussion with you and then you scream "Victory, I have won, see they flee!!"

That is exactly what she does. But go read the other recently closed thread where she outright admitted that she's here to agitate and attack kafir, and has no interest in discussion to start with. She reads the Dawkins board where there are militant atheists and islamophobes that attack muslims, so she comes here to vent against other atheists, who she somehow assumes to be the same. It would seem she avoids places like the (mostly) atheist board I read, freeratio.org, where atheists don't behave much like on her Dawkins board (that I've never visited but can imagine).

Really? I see a double standard here.

No kidding. I've yet to see a non-muslim member of this board call for the deaths of muslims. And I'll bet you that if one did then you'd have other non-muslim members disassociating themelves and condemning them.

Kafir members are actually at a low ebb right now actually. I miss reading from CZ Gibson (the most bend over backwards to get along atheist I've seen online but still got attacked on here), Grace Seeker (Christian), Sakvau (who came here for the same reason I did and who was on Paltalk with me fighting islamophobes), and Snakelegs (who I came here with originally). Aw, now I feel nostalgic. :statisfie

 

[جوري]

No kidding. I've yet to see a non-muslim member of this board call for the deaths of muslims.

Always better to enlist and do it in person right? opening fire on women and children is a whole less horrible than 'wishing death' because wishes really come true oh ever reasoning papa bear!

that she's here to agitate and attack kafir

:haha: this is fresh coming from a self-professed militant religion hater...


funny stuff

 

[Scimitar]

@ psygosceli I recall some of those names too. May Snakelegs rest in peace, Ameen.

And those members you mention, I recall their posts when I first checked this forum out early last year... or the year before, and truth be told - it was the tolerance between belief sytems that attracted me to this place and so I signed up.

Why can't we go back to how it was and promote tolerance? Or atleast try to look into something which we don't agree with but need clarification on, by doing authentic research? All forums just seem to push opinion after opinion, and as far as I am aware, it's very rare to find scholars on these forums - from any belief system... they are far too busy to spend time on forums lol. But, there is no excuse for not doing the research. And I do mean comparative research.

Scimi