Why is nudity considered worse than violence/curses in movies and games?

Nudity is mostly harmless, on the other hand, violence in movies seems to cause a fair deal of trouble - not one, but two shootin sprees in one day.
 
Harm doesn't have to be physical and palpable to be well.. harmful!...
But given the atheist tendency for materialism I am not surprised at that, (yes I am aware you are an Agnostic) it is a generalization given the consensus
 
Gossamer skye said:
It does indeed depend on the content of how violence is used, to me it is a western problem really, I don't see that level of violence in foreign films
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Never watched any chinese films?
Gossamer skye said:
or students going postal on their classmates and teachers else where in the world as in the U.S...
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I suppose we don't notice it as much because it isn't news to anyone that Somalis or Sudanese are shooting each other on a daily basis.
 
Greetings,
Gossamer skye said:
You can look and admire God's creation in the private tender moments that he made lawful.. pornography in any form even if swept under artistry is an exploitation of the subject!
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I'm talking about nudity, not necessarily pornography.

Peace
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Nudity is mostly harmless, on the other hand, violence in movies seems to cause a fair deal of trouble - not one, but two shootin sprees in one day.
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Nudity may be mostly harmless, but pornography isn't. (Yes, I contend that there is a difference between the two.) And many who have been caught in the grips of pornoagraphy have said that it led them deeper and deeper into more and more degradation of people and, for more than just a few, into violence.

... my interviews with pornography users and sex offenders, and various other researchers' work, have led me to conclude that pornography can: (1) be an important factor in shaping a male-dominant view of sexuality; (2) be used to initiate victims and break down their resistance to unwanted sexual activity; (3) contribute to a user's difficulty in separating sexual fantasy and reality; and (4) provide a training manual for abusers (Dines & Jensen, 2004).

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I was under oath when asked whether, in my opinion, pornography is a cause of violence against women.

I hate that question, because pornography is violence against women: the women used in pornography. Not only is there a precise symmetry of values and behaviors in pornography and in acts of forced sex and battery, but in a sex-polarized society men also learn about women and sex from pornography. The message is conveyed to men that women enjoy being abused. Increasingly, research is proving that sex and violence--and the perception that females take pleasure in being abused, which is the heart of pornography--teach men both ambition and strategy.

But beyond the empirical research, there is the evidence of testimony: women coming forth, at least in the safety of feminist circles, to testify to the role that pornography played in their own experiences of sexual abuse. One nineteen-year-old woman testified at the Hartford trial that her father consistently used pornographic material as he raped and tortured her over a period of years. She also told of a network of her father's friends, including doctors and lawyers, who abused her and other children. One of these doctors treated the children to avoid being exposed.

Stories such as these are not merely bizarre and sensational; they are beginning to appear in feminist literature with increasing frequency. To dismiss them is to dismiss the lives of the victims.

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And if you want even more chilling testimony, albeit antecdotal, then read the following: What we learned from Ted Bundy.
 
Greetings,

Whatsthepoint said:
I guess her definition of porn spans wider than yours.
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Perhaps that's true. The way I look at it, nudity doesn't always cause sexual thoughts, whereas with pornography the intention is that it does.

I must have missed this one:

Skye said:
it is remarkable to me but yesterday I was thinking if I had just one wish for this world, what would it be, and world peace wasn't as pressing or realistic as doing away with pornography!
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What an absolute shocker of a statement to make.

Peace
 
czgibson said:
What an absolute shocker of a statement to make.

Peace
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Yes, but I can see where it is coming from. For instance, just take a look at the Iraq war. As much as the US was hated around the world for going into Iraq without cause. The issues that seemed to galvanize the most negative opinions were the photos coming out of Abu Ghraib or stories of US soldiers rapiing Iraqi women. Such things were relatively few, but even one is understandably viewed as too many. On top of that, these things often led to other acts of violence, either as revenge or as a cover-up. Terrible as Dafur is, the story of soldiers being ordered to rape 12 & 13 year old girls is generating more international action than years of murders and starvation. There is something about the human psyche which seems to universally says that among all crimes, these sorts of crimes are the worst. And yet, all societies are guilty of them, western or eastern it makes no difference, from the Japanese "rape of Nanking" to the US "rape of Iraq".

And where do these acts originate? But in the perverted fantasies stimulated and condoned by pornography.
 
Greetings Grace Seeker,

In all of the situations you mention, violence is the major problem, not nudity.

Peace
 
I dont know whats worse for a young mind, porn or violence. All I can say is that in a world of 6 billion people, with hundred thousands of psychopats, movies such as Dexter, Californication or Saw are gonna create at least one murderer.
 
Azy said:
Never watched any chinese films?
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I am not bothered by Jet lee as I am by Larry Flynt!
I suppose we don't notice it as much because it isn't news to anyone that Somalis or Sudanese are shooting each other on a daily basis.
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I rather think it is because your economy is soon to be matching that of third world countries as well pretty soon their despots!
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


I'm talking about nudity, not necessarily pornography.

Peace
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I don't see much difference between Correggio's Jupiter and Io or a center fold by Hefner.. if there is a human model involved.. So yes I suppose I subscribe to a different confidence interval than yours!
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Nudity is mostly harmless, on the other hand, violence in movies seems to cause a fair deal of trouble - not one, but two shootin sprees in one day.
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Thanks to internet the young generation that is just growing up is one of the first who had such easy contact to all kind of twisted pornography. So we will unfortunately just see the effects of this in next years.
Sex and violence sells, unfortunately I must say that the american movies and tv film series such as Beverly Hills 90210, Sex in The City or Ally McBeal caused greatly more for the moral and sexual revolution in my country than the efforts of all liberal politicians and parties.
 
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Gossamer skye said:
I rather think it is because your economy is soon to be matching that of third world countries as well pretty soon their despots!
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I rather think that has little to do with this topic.
The western media does not have a monopoly on violence, it's been a popular pastime with humans for quite a while.
Grace Seeker said:
And if you want even more chilling testimony, albeit antecdotal, then read the following: What we learned from Ted Bundy.
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Ted Bundy may have been looking at a lot of porn but some reports state he was diagnosed with 3 different personality disorders, which left him with a will to dominate others without remorse.

Probably not the best example of what pornography might do to your average man (or woman) on the street.
 
Azy said:
I rather think that has little to do with this topic.
The western media does not have a monopoly on violence, it's been a popular pastime with humans for quite a while.
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Western Media engenders the vast majority of base material produced and mass marketed to the world...It is actually one of those areas that they have pioneered as well re-writing history using that same medium.
would love to sit here all night and have a tit for tat with you compadre but I really do have better things to do.. like watching a gory horror flick on chiller

cheerio :shade:
 
Nudity is haram as a stranger looks at a stranger women which creates fitnah, and violence isn't haaram and your playing not controlling an army to kill a random person right?
 
miss red said:
I think that violence in movies got bad effect, but violence in reale life is most effective so if your in violence community u will be as it mostly. If the movies and games are your community meaning you deal so much with thim that's where thy have effect on you. You also choose what to watch and what to play, ok don't laugh:popcorn: i watch cartoon movies they have almost any violence and some of thim are good, And go to cinema to watch it too.

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Just to understand your meaning, have you formed the opinion that if as you say a community watches violent with/without nudity in films and plays them in video games are subject to practise such acts in real life even if subconsciously?
 
^ Actually yes,in another thread I also posted this real story. A game tester for need for speed tested the game for approximately 10 hours a day ,one day after testing he was on his way home when he started to drive 170 km/h without noticing until after.
Doctor Y
 

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