why is ok always for muslims to be arrested

[Woodrow]

Lavikoor201,

I have to agree that is a very good point. I just hope people could keep in mind that a Terrorist is a terrorist and does not represent any Race, Religion or National Origin.

HeiGou,
Just thought of something more up to date that Muslims will side against Muslims and side with Non-Muslim if they believe the Muslim is acting in a non-Islamic manner.

Do you have any idea as to how many Muslims are/have been in the US Army and are serving or have served against Muslims in Iraq?

Here is just one:

Sergeant Mohammed Omar Masry, Muslim US Soldier in Iraq
Subject US Muslim Soldiers in Iraq
Date Tuesday,Nov 11 ,2003
Time Makkah
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Name Faizal - South Africa
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Assalaamu alaikum,

My name is Faizal and I am from South Africa, Johannesburg.

I wish to ask SGT Omar how does he feel when he sees his fellow Muslim
brothers and sisters being killed, maimed, shot at etc around him? Does it
move him, does he feel like leaving the US army. I want to know what his
thoughts on the battle field when the whole world (Muslim world) knows the
US to be waging a crusade in Muslim lands.


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Thank you faizal for your question. First off, it hurts to see anyone being hurt Muslim or non-Muslim.

Because I have been able to help Muslims here in my capacity as a civil affairs reservist it does alleviate the suffering I do see, both caused as a result of war and the previous regime; and in that respect I feel I am working in a worthy endeavour.

If in Crusade you mean a war to take over a land so that Europeans can conquer, inhabit, and convert its citizens, then this war does not fall into that category.



Name Julie A. Belz - United States
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I would like to know, in what ways is the US Army accommodating the
religious rights of Sergeant Mohammed Omar Masry during the month of
Ramadan so that he might fulfill his religious obligations of prayer
and fasting?

I would also like to know, in what ways is the U.S. Army educating
its members about Islam and Muslims?

with best wishes, Prof. Julie A. Belz, Ph.D.


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During Ramadan I am allowed to reduce my participation in early morning physical training. I am always offered MRE's (meals ready to eat) that do not contain pork by fellow soldiers in my unit.

I am also given time to pray and usually have my driver offer to stand guard if we are out in town and stopped for a moment.

Lastly I was also given contact information to a Muslim chaplain. All of these items were actually offered, to my suprise, without asking for them by fellow soldiers and commanders in my unit.

Recently all the soldiers here in Baghdad were issued informational pamphlets on Ramadan, its significance, as well as ways to both show appreciation and avoid any religious insensitivity. This includes prohibiting soldiers from eating or drinking in front of Iraqis. Many luncheons sponsored throughout Baghdad, such as a woman's small business luncheon, were changed to shorter meetings and many of the neighborhood council meetings were shortened and scheduled earlier.

 

[Immunity]

Let's not forget that HeiGu's arguments are baseless and cannot be based on facts. Before you believe anything he says, make sure his information is accurate. Let me give you some examples:

1.) He believed that the United States have a low rape rate. I shot him down.
2.) He does not acknowledge the Golden Age of Islam and does not believe Muslims studied Greek works.
3.) He refuses to believe that Confucianism treats women as inferior.
4.) He claimed that members of the IRA are excommunicated, yet his sources hardly indicate this.
5.) He makes statements that are taken out of historical context (for example, he complains about Bangladesh, yet the country is ONLY 35 years old; the US and most Western nations are over 250 years old )
6.) He claims that the majority of the posters in this forum support terrorism.
7.) After providing an abundance of evidence, he still refuses to see that there is Buddhist terrorism.

I urge you to refrain from taking HeiGu seriously, because all he is trying to do is discourage Muslims through his lies and inaccurate political/historical statements. He does not see anything in context. Before answering him, make sure his information is accurate because what he posts is untrustworthy. Also, you must understand that he is close-minded. Whatever you say has no effect, because not even reality can save him from his prejudice.

You can check his previous posts as evidence.

 

[HeiGou]

Let's not forget that HeiGu's arguments are baseless and cannot be based on facts. Before you believe anything he says, make sure his information is accurate. Let me give you some examples:

1.) He believed that the United States have a low rape rate. I shot him down.

Actually what I said is that your claim America has the highest rate in the world is not true. And so you changed it to the highest in the Western developped world. Which is also not true by the way but no matter.

2.) He does not acknowledge the Golden Age of Islam and does not believe Muslims studied Greek works.

Again this is not factually accurate. I believe there was a period that is referred to in that way and if you read what I said, I said no Muslim seems to have translated a Greek work. Christians did and obviously Muslims read them in translation.

3.) He refuses to believe that Confucianism treats women as inferior.

I have not said this either. I have said that I think that Confucius did not say women were morally or intellectually inferior. What Confucianists did with Confucianism is an issue I have not touched on.

4.) He claimed that members of the IRA are excommunicated, yet his sources hardly indicate this.

Actually it stated it clearly. And it is true.

5.) He makes statements that are taken out of historical context (for example, he complains about Bangladesh, yet the country is ONLY 35 years old; the US and most Western nations are over 250 years old )

As if this amounts to anything besides which, Bangladesh has existed for far longer than the United States as a civilisation and of course their religion even longer. No doubt you have some point but it escapes me.

6.) He claims that the majority of the posters in this forum support terrorism.

Really? Where did I say that?

7.) After providing an abundance of evidence, he still refuses to see that there is Buddhist terrorism.

I have not provided abundant evidence because there is none. Nor have you for the same reason. You have proved that Communists oppress Christians. Big deal.

I urge you to refrain from taking HeiGu seriously, because all he is trying to do is discourage Muslims through his lies and inaccurate political/historical statements. He does not see anything in context.

By all means, stop taking me seriously. But I notice of your seven points six of them are outright lies and the seventh is open to question. We will see who deserves to be taken seriously.

Before answering him, make sure his information is accurate because what he posts is untrustworthy. Also, you must understand that he is close-minded. Whatever you say has no effect, because not even reality can save him from his prejudice.

Actually I am pretty good when it comes to accuracy if I do say so myself. And the fact that you are incapable of putting a coherent, logical and factually accurate argument together (see above) is not proof that I am closed minded.

You can check his previous posts as evidence.

By all means. I would welcome any such examination.

 

[HeiGou]

There are many instances in the Qur'an were aggression is specificaly forbidden. No need in quoting them here as you are most likely aware of them.

How is "aggression" defined? And is it easy to get around through a legal strategm?

Now, in cases of Muslims supporting Non-Muslims defending themselves against wrong doing Muslims. One area of difficulty we have in answering that is if the Muslims are doing wrong we do not see the act as being Muslim.

Which is convenient isn't it? But I also doubt that. When it is successful no one has any problems in claiming it. Defeat is an orphan. Take the crushing of the indigenous people of Kafirstan in Aftghanistan. They held out against invasion for centuries and so remained non-Muslims. Until the King of Afghanistan got some Western weapons and Kafirstan fell and is now known as Nuristan - because of course they were all forced to convert. Care to find a single source that does not think this was a good thing?

Now specifics as to when Muslims recognised unlawfull agression by people calling themselves Muslims and supported non-Muslim people. I'm not enough of a history buff. But, if memory serves me correctly The Bengalis in India who are Muslim, sided with the British against fellow Muslims in India that were trying to overthrow the British. The Bengali were some of Queen Victorias strongest allies against all nations be they Muslim or Non-Muslim.

Surely you are referring to the Indian Mutiny which started in the Bangal Army? But that is irrelevant as well.

 

[sheerheart1]

It is ok for a muslim to be arrested if they are guilty of something.

what if your have not done anything ?? this is a new trend hitting every where in the uk know arrest phewww!! what a life it says that a muslim will be tested 2 the limit :X

 

[Skillganon]

I have been stopped and search on the tube twice, and funnily it was when their was police present who decided to stop and search on that day. I was told it was a random search, but another funny thing is that you won't see a non-muslim with a bag not being stopped, or more specifically anyone who is not asian (Bangladeshi, pakistani). It is also funny how stupid and innefective it is, as a travell by the tube everyday going to uni, and obviousely it requires me to carry a back pack, and know how easy it is to ovoid the police. If I wanted to do something (god forbid) I could of done something for the 300 day's for the last 1 year if it was indeed my intention.
You have better chance of getting stabbed, robbed, beaten up than something like that.
Maybe the police are forced to do something and show they are doing their job, or maybe it only reaffirm's the fear (terror), and remind's the general public of the sad 9/11, so the public will be brainwashed into thinking muslim are terrorist, and the whole war is legal.

A common tactic, keep the general people away, distracted, from the truth, by constantly bombarding them with fear.

It has nothing to got to do with other religion, most people are ignorant of Islam, or don't know about their own religion e.g. christian teaching.

 

[HeiGou]

I have been stopped and search on the tube twice, and funnily it was when their was police present who decided to stop and search on that day. I was told it was a random search, but another funny thing is that you won't see a non-muslim with a bag not being stopped, or more specifically anyone who is not asian (Bangladeshi, pakistani). It is also funny how stupid and innefective it is, as a travell by the tube everyday going to uni, and obviousely it requires me to carry a back pack, and know how easy it is to ovoid the police. If I wanted to do something (god forbid) I could of done something for the 300 day's for the last 1 year if it was indeed my intention.

So what is your objection - to the searches which are ineffective, or to the targeting of Muslims? It is obvious that there is no point searching non-Muslims as they are unlikely to be carrying a bomb. It makes sense to search the high-risk groups - young Asian men of Muslim origin carrying backpacks. I agree it is probably not very effective, but it is better than nothing. And you have to remeber the last lot came down from Yorkshire so they would not have known how to avoid the police so well.

You have better chance of getting stabbed, robbed, beaten up than something like that.

True. But a lesser chance than being shot by the police.

Maybe the police are forced to do something and show they are doing their job, or maybe it only reaffirm's the fear (terror), and remind's the general public of the sad 9/11, so the public will be brainwashed into thinking muslim are terrorist, and the whole war is legal.

Perhaps. But if not this, what? An Israeli airline is in trouble for refusing to let Arabs fly on it. That seems a sensible precaution to me. Illegal of course but reasonable. So how about we segregate all Muslims into their own buses and their own trains, in fact their own suburbs and their own Universities. So that they will not have to deal with kafirs and poorly clad women and we will feel mroe secure? This is a policy, but not I think a better one. Still it is the way of the future unless another solution is found. What would you recommend?

It has nothing to got to do with other religion, most people are ignorant of Islam, or don't know about their own religion e.g. christian teaching.

True. But it has something to do with the bombers' values doesn't it?

 

[north_malaysian]

wy it's ok always for muslims to be arrested by another Muslims (tyrant ones) and the whole Muslim world ... dont really care about it?

 

[sheerheart1]

if i was a jew in a skull cap i would not be stopped or arrested if i was a preacher wearin a cross i would not be stopped either or even if i was a nun then why am i stopped and searched because i wear islamic dress and because i am a muslim good and bad come in all so let fair treatment be done even if i am a blackman i am stopped and searched maybe because i am driving a nice car wearing nice clothes why!!! they think i am dealing drugs have a un under my car seat:rollseyes ( i just have a few little pins fastning my hijaab i carry a spare incase i get confronted pinched (i am gonna make sure i stick the pin where it hurts:sister:if your gonna treat people like rubbish what do you expect enland is supposed to be fair but not so i am abused as a muslim even tho i am a law abbidding citizen who pays thier taxs ffended: ffended: ffended: ffended: :grumbling :thankyou: well mr blair if you read this foram make sure u treat all people the same:thankyou: :rant: ;D

 

[Ayesha Rana]

The thing is sis it comes down to steriotyping. You see Islam is perfect but the people who follow it arne't. So when something comes up about a muslim (true or not) all muslims are seen as bad even if they aren't.
But it's like this:
Don't say oh God i have a big problem say oh problem i have a big God
(a sister has that as her signiture)

 

[MRR]

what if your have not done anything ?? this is a new trend hitting every where in the uk know arrest phewww!! :

Yeah, right. "only" muslims are ever questioned for doing nothing. This NEVER happens to anyone else. It happens to everyone, deal with it.

wy it's ok always for muslims to be arrested by another Muslims (tyrant ones) and the whole Muslim world ... dont really care about it?

Exactly!

if i was a jew in a skull cap i would not be stopped or arrested if i was a preacher wearin a cross i would not be stopped either or even if i was a nun then why am i stopped and searched because i wear islamic dress and because i am a muslim good and bad come in all so let fair treatment be done even if i am a blackman i am stopped and searched maybe because i am driving a nice car wearing nice clothes why!!! they think i am dealing drugs have a un under my car seat:rollseyes ( i just have a few little pins fastning my hijaab i carry a spare incase i get confronted pinched (i am gonna make sure i stick the pin where it hurts:sister:if your gonna treat people like rubbish what do you expect enland is supposed to be fair but not so i am abused as a muslim even tho i am a law abbidding citizen who pays thier taxs ffended: ffended: ffended: ffended: :grumbling :thankyou: well mr blair if you read this foram make sure u treat all people the same:thankyou: :rant: ;D

Oh boy. Here we go again. Yes, ONLY muslims and black men are ever stopped by police. What whiney drivel. Nonsense. Blacks, whites, jews, muslims, christians, all get questioned by police. Stop this pathetic "poor me" snivelling.

 

[Asyur an-Nagi]

Guess what - Terrorists don't care if you're guilty or not! They'll blow you up knowing that you are innocent. It doesn't matter to them.

Which is the bigger problem?

they also don't care if the moslems are guilty or not. and why talkin terrorist? Tim Mc Veigh blew a building and no one blame him in a frame of religion.

 

[Isaac]

They do this because they are aginst the teachings of islam. They fear that this power hungry civiloization they have where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer will come to an end, and all the big politcians and money makers you see will be out of touch. Its clear from teir speeches, this a war of civlizations. they fear that the simple life of islam which provides justice for all will prevent them from their personal gains.

so far praise be to allah i have not been stopped and searched, maybe cos i dont travel into central much, but if i did, i would hopefuly like to think i would co-operate and act in a civilised manner, so we could show these steroritipcal peoplle that you are wrong, and just look them in their face and let them know, that your wrong this time. AGAIN.