Why Is Wine haraam Now and not "Bacl Then"

Do you know wine is haraam?

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Does anyone know the reasons for why wine became haraam later on rather than in the past? When was it made haraam? (During which Prophets time?) Was it always haraam or am I making the right assumption?
 
I can only answer to a part of your query, and so I shall. Drinking small amounts of alcohol often leads to addiction/high intake of alcohol, leading to poor judgement, coordination and lack of sense. To prevent us from falling into such situations, Allah made it unlawful for us.

I hope that helps.
 
I heard a theory that it was completely haraam, but also another theory. That it depends on the soul. If you pour wine into a cup of water, it will change colors. But if you pour wine into the sea, the water will remain the same color. But I 'm only repeating what I have heard people say.
 
^I'm unsure, but perhaps it was referring to the intake of alcoholic medication? In severe conditions, if there is a fear of death and the physician prescribes it, then the quantity that is necessary for living may be consumed.

I am unable to quote hadith or Qur'anic ayah due to my lack of sources. Perhaps another member will do better.
 
Boaz said:
I heard a theory that it was completely haraam, but also another theory. That it depends on the soul. If you pour wine into a cup of water, it will change colors. But if you pour wine into the sea, the water will remain the same color. But I 'm only repeating what I have heard people say.
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I don't understand the significance. Why does this matter?
 
Boaz said:
It's supposed to represent the human soul.
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So, you're saying that regardless of the quantity, as long as your soul is not affected (and where would you draw the line?) you may drink as you please?
 
There is having a drink, and then there's just being irresponsible. A little drink of wine occasionally (say a few months) does no harm. But there is a limit. You have to know how much your body can take, because we all know too much alcohol is harmful and it can lead people to do or say stupid things. And in no religion are you ever allowed to pray while drunk. Aside from that, I would not drink and drive, or drink when I'm feeling down, or when I need to be entirely focused.
 
Boaz said:
There is having a drink, and then there's just being irresponsible. A little drink of wine occasionally (say a few months) does no harm. But there is a limit.
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How do you know where your limit lies? Your body will get used to the levels of alcohol, causing you to exceed your 'limit' everytime. And addiction to alcohol is too widespread for you to claim that occasional drinking will not lead to addiction.

Aside from that, I would not drink and drive, or drink when I'm feeling down, or when I need to be entirely focused.
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Islam requires one to be in a sound state of mind always (unless due to any natural calamity that becomes impossible).
 
I was just listening to a lecture by Al walaki the other day, and he spoke of how the prohibition didn't happen all of a sudden that a love of God and a desire to please him has to be established first in the hearts of the believers, and he contrasted that with the prohibition in the U.S which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and sent many to prisons and then the ban was lifted anyway because it couldn't be upheld..
however when the prohibition was revealed in the Quran, it was said that Anas ibn maalik who was a bartender dropped the bottle and the sahaba refused to drink, and the streets of medina were red as if filled with blood, but it was all the wine voluntairly dumped into the streets by Muslims..

sobhan Allah..

I recommend that folks here, listen to his entire series-- everything makes so much sense when you have a scholar going over it with you..

and Allah swt knows best

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The Ruler said:
How do you know where your limit lies? Your body will get used to the levels of alcohol, causing you to exceed your 'limit' everytime. And addiction to alcohol is too widespread for you to claim that occasional drinking will not lead to addiction.
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I know because I drink from time to time, and I have no urge to do so in between. I think I can abstain from alcohol entirely if need be.
 
Boaz said:
I know because I drink from time to time, and I have no urge to do so in between. I think I can abstain from alcohol entirely if need be.
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alcohol causes a host of problems and you don't need to be downing it in large amounts, in fact death can and has happened to some people from just one bout of drinking even through asphyxiation by vomit.. alcohol causes everything from fibrosis to Wernicke's encephalopathy and Korsakoff's psychosis to ataxia, peripheral neuropathy, to ophthalmoplegia etc. too numerous for me to even list on one page..
in fact whatever research advocating 'alcohol in moderation' is misleading.. you can easily confer the same benefits if there are any at all by having red grape juice.


for us Muslims there need NOT be any health hazards or benefits, the fact that it is a divine prohibition is enough!

all the best
 
Boaz said:
I know because I drink from time to time, and I have no urge to do so in between. I think I can abstain from alcohol entirely if need be.
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U can.... but maybe others can...

Now we cannot make one rule for you and one for the rest of the people.

You may think that may be out of other for you as you can drink in moderate but others cant' and therefore Islam has prohibited.

For that, Allah used this as a test to see if we are able to follow His commands and if successful, we will have our wine/alcohol in Jannah, where it will be allowed.
 
Jannah is the World to Come isn't it? It sounds like the Hebrew word Gan (for Gan Eden). I'm looking on Wikipedia now, and your word for Hell in Jahannam. Similar to our Gehinom. Our languages are very similar, and there are not too many differences in our faiths either.
 
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I was just listening to a lecture by Al walaki the other day, and he spoke of how the prohibition didn't happen all of a sudden that a love of God and a desire to please him has to be established first in the hearts of the believers, and he contrasted that with the prohibition in the U.S which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and sent many to prisons and then the ban was lifted anyway because it couldn't be upheld..
however when the prohibition was revealed in the Quran, it was said that Anas ibn maalik who was a bartender dropped the bottle and the sahaba refused to drink, and the streets of medina were red as if filled with blood, but it was all the wine voluntairly dumped into the streets by Muslims..

sobhan Allah..

I recommend that folks here, listen to his entire series-- everything makes so much sense when you have a scholar going over it with you..

and Allah swt knows best

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To thread starter:

I have the Awlaki Hereafter series. If you wish, I will go through them and let you know which one to listen to regarding alcohol prohibition.
 
Confus1on said:
To thread starter:

I have the Awlaki Hereafter series. If you wish, I will go through them and let you know which one to listen to regarding alcohol prohibition.
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Insha'Allah that would be great, can you upload the entire lectures on the media section? I listened to two lectures and they covered a good seven queries that were posted on the board recently ..

sob7an Allah

Jazaka Allah khyran

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One reason I can come up with is that Alcohol is group-1 cancer causing agent...

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (Centre International de Recherche sur le Cancer) of the World Health Organization has classified alcohol as a Group 1 carcinogen.
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Human genes are constanly getting damaged by many factors...
Our cells have automatic repair system that repairs damaged genes...
Over the ages, factors that cause damage to genes have increased many folds, genes have started to hold more damaged areas, while repair mechanism is same...

These cancer causing factors appear as a result of modern technological advancement, that started after advent of islam... starting with Al-Chemiya(Chemistry)... Foreseeing such side-effects of upcoming era, islamic texts completely forbade use of alcohol.


In pre-technological era, genetic damage caused by alcohol would have been easily repaired by cells themselves, now it's NOT... that's why so many cancers associated with alcohol.

I Quote:-
Alcohol, especially in combination with smoking, is a well-established risk factor for cancers of the oral cavity and pharynx, esophagus, and larynx, with 25% to 80% of these cancers being attributable to alcohol...liver cancer... cancers of the colorectum and female breast...
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