Why Islam alow to have sex with the slave without marry ?

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I heard Islam allow to have sex with your slave without marry her . Is it true ? If yes then why ? If its not true then educate me what exactly Islam says about slavery in details please .
 
Just a very simple answer. Show me anyplace in the Qur'an where it says a man is permitted to have relations with a slave, without marrying her first.
 
I have heard this too.

There is a hadeeth in Sahih Muslim regarding the performance of 'azl (i'm sorry i don't have the reference). Jabir Bin Abdullah (RA) reported that a man approached the Prophet (SAW) and said tht he wanted to have sexual relations with his slave girl but did not want her to get pregnant. To this Rasulullah replied "perform 'azl with her if you wish, for indeed whatever has been decreed for her will reach her".

So doesn't this prove that it is allowed?
 
Me too.

Woodrow, ive heard that when the muslims won the battle and there were women left after the battle they wouldnt kill them but take them as slave girls, and then they can do as they wish with them...

Sell them or let them go free! Anything they wish!

Correct me if i am wrong.imsad

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Guys, really. The qur'an and the sahih hadith got many verses saying this. It is permitable. AS LONG AS THE FEMALE AGREES ON IT! Do you wish to see some proves?
 
Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is a special command that Muhammad handed down to himself, allowing himself virtually unlimited sex. Others are limited to four wives, but may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30).

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

Qur'an (2:178) - "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's).

Qur'an (16:75) - "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah." Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves - those whom the god of Islam has not favored).
 
And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (24:33)
 
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Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is a special command that Muhammad handed down to himself, allowing himself virtually unlimited sex. Others are limited to four wives, but may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur'an (70:29-30).

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."

Qur'an (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.

Qur'an (2:178) - "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's).

Qur'an (16:75) - "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah." Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves - those whom the god of Islam has not favored).
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I'm having trouble stomaching these ayats. As I've done tafsir of the Quran people tend to me ask on all kinds of ayats but with these ayats I struggle.. :hiding:

Firstly, the man must be gain permission of the slave before intercourse, yes?
Secondly, wouldn't the wives at the time feel somewhat jealous? I know I would certainly would if I lived at the time! :embarrass Which brings me to ask does he need permission of the wife to have intercourse with the slave?

Does this only apply to the time of the Prophet? I know maids are around these days would that mean she holds the same status as a slave? And lastly, with everything in Islam there is always wisdom behind everything, and I'm still ignorant on this subject as I do not know what the wisdom is.


We are encouraged to speak if we have doubts/misunderstanding on the religion and I really hope someone will shade some light on this for me.. Jazakum Allahu Khairan! :statisfie
 
Brother Zuzubu, do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post?
 
Asalaamu Alaikum,

If she got pregnant, then she would be free. I remember reading about this in depth, kinda forgotten now, but there's a good explanation for why it's allowed.
 
As you may know, slaves in Islam are treated very well, and many times the man decides to marry the woman, and remmmember that the son of the woman is both son of the mom and dad. =)

Manaal, there is no sarcasm, where do you see that? If you got against qur'an it is not me who you should complain on, but I can show some more verses, there are plenty. Just look it up in www.searchtruth.com

Ghazalah, wont the woman be jealous if there is more than 1 wife?

And no, a MAID IS NOT A SLAVE! A slave is someone who is taken as war bounty. The prophet married one himself. This applies for ALL TIMES, the qur'an = APPLY FOR ALL TIMES! But, there is no such war, and haven't been that war many years, so if someone has a slave, it is haram. If it was 500-1400 years ago, then a slave was permitted, because there was many wars. (sword fights). You can't go in war with the taliban, and say that their ladies are ur slaves, it has to be a proper war before capturing bounty.
 
Zuzubu said:
Ghazalah, wont the woman be jealous if there is more than 1 wife?
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Having intercourse with a slave is quite different then having intercourse with a second wife IMO. With the slave it would seem like he's not satisfied with his current wife and so he finds somewhere else to fulfil his desires having intercourse with a wife is not the same some obviously will not agree with it but that's not my main concern here.

Zuzubu said:
And no, a MAID IS NOT A SLAVE! A slave is someone who is taken as war bounty. The prophet married one himself. This applies for ALL TIMES, the qur'an = APPLY FOR ALL TIMES! But, there is no such war, and haven't been that war many years, so if someone has a slave, it is haram. If it was 500-1400 years ago, then a slave was permitted, because there was many wars. (sword fights)
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I don't understand what you're saying about wars, why is that relevant? But the maid is not the same as slave okay. Jazak Allahu Khair. :)
 
If females get jealous, I am happy I am not a female. And I am happy that your husband don't have slaves then. ;)

About wars I mean that female slaves can be war bounty and not people you pay for (prostitution etc.)
 
I don't understand why a man is permitted to do that. Yeah okay fine, he can go marry another woman.. but doing it with a slave girl he isn't even married to? :/
 
These women captives used to be distributed as part of the booty among the soldiers, after their return to Islamic territory. Each soldier was then entitled to have relations ONLY with the slave girl over which he was given the RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP and NOT with those slave girls that were not in his possession. This RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP was given to him by the "Ameerul-Mu'mineen" (Head of the Islamic state.) Due to this right of ownership, It became lawful for the owner of a slave girl to have intercourse with her.

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Nevertheless, the wisdom underlying the permission granted by Shariat to copulate with a slave woman is as follows: The LEGAL possession that a Muslim receives over a slave woman from the "Ameerul-Mu'mineen" (the Islamic Head of State) gives him legal credence to have coition with the slave woman in his possession, just as the marriage ceremony gives him legal credence to have coition with his wife. In other words, this LEGAL POSSESSION is, in effect, a SUBSTITUTE of the MARRIAGE CEREMONY. A free woman cannot be 'possessed', bought or sold like other possessions; therefore Shariat instituted a 'marriage ceremony' in which affirmation and consent takes place, which gives a man the right to copulate with her. On the other hand, a slave girl can be possessed and even bought and sold, thus, this right of possession, substituting as a marriage ceremony, entitles the owner to copulate with her.
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http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=600f9c8b770c0d5567055b2870a0ae8f
 
As above, once a man comes into possession of a slave girl, it is considered a 'contract' much like a marriage contract.
 
When Christ was asked why the ancient jews were allowed to have wives and concubines he made clear what he thought; a man should only have one wife; divorce was only permissable for adultry and even to look at a woman lustfully was sinful. He explained that the reason the ancient jews were allowed to do as they did was because the were to ignorant to be able to understand fully the perfect order of marraige to one woman. I wonder did Mohammed have the same problem and has the Muslim world developed more spiritual insight and believe in one man and one woman for life.

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Well from what i know, men were allowed to collect slave women from battle fields, but it wouldnt apply now as there are no battles with swords and hores now a days... Also i am sure the people who do collect slave women dont have sex but insted make them work around there house etc, or if they wanted to do something to the slave girl they probobaly asked there wifes.

Bedouin said:
As above, once a man comes into possession of a slave girl, it is considered a 'contract' much like a marriage contract.
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Very true...
 
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