Why Islam Disallows women to travel alone.

[beleiver]

Confused, are my posts causing problems? going against any rules?

 

[azc]

Confused, are my posts causing problems? going against any rules?

Please read forum rules...

 

[Peacefully]

Since my post got deleted, starting to wonder if this is a board for those brothers and sisters who consider hadith on par with quran. Mans word on par with God's.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Mans word on par with God's.

Hadith are no ordinary man's words. They are the saying of the Messenger of Allah, :saws:. Allah :swt: Himself says about him,

By the star when it descends,
Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,
Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
It is not but a revelation revealed,
Taught to him by one intense in strength - [Surah An-Najm: 1-5]

The Ahadeeth are also a form of revelation from Allah. The Qur'an and Sunnah are the two authoritative legal sources in Islam. Please read the below thread, it answers all the points raised here by [MENTION=40460]beleiver[/MENTION] and [MENTION=42423]Peacefully[/MENTION],
The Legal Status of the Sunnah in Islam

 

[AllahIsAl-Malik]

We should ban munafiqun. If people are out to subvert the religion, they should be banned. Otherwise this forum is no better than the rest of the internet and this place becomes a place where the munafiquen misguide and deceive people. Whether they themselves are misguided I don't care- they shoudn't be allowed to pose as Muslims and deceive people. Furthermore, I want a forum for Muslims. Non-Muslims have the whole rest of the internet they can go to.

 

[Zafran]

I think the point i am trying to make is enforcing a law that is wrong and not from Allaha wont work in real life..

many laws in real life work and are practical - traffic laws, environment (not allowed to build on green zones), promoting public good or taxing people to have universal healthcare and education and some countries even have conscription because they dont have enough people in the army. These are enforced.

Prhohibition for example doesnt work nor is it practicle, it causes more problems than its supposed to solve..
Look at the world, people have strayed far from the path and are suffering the Tyranny of one another, people have invented lies and others follow them and think they follow Allaha but they are astray, they are following partners..

I dont think it does, having a police force to stop crime is a good idea, enforcing taxes for universal healthcare and supporting educational institutions is another good idea. So is promoting things that enhance what the society stands for.

No one can force their will on another unless there is a victim, that is a crime, that is what gangsters do..

Every country does this, every institution of learning does this, hospital etc etc. Not criminal or gangsters - actually gangsters get stopped by police which is enforced by the government.

Dont listen to Jurists unless an actual crime with a victim has been commited and a punishment is called for, fear and trust in Allaha and his warnings, if you do right be it for your soul if you do wrong be it against your soul, Allha is the best of Judges..And a clear repeated warning is dont invent lies, the Quran is complete, detailed guidance..

You listen to jurist to know what the sacred law has to say about any issue. That is if you want to follow the scared law.

Surah 10 for example is clear on the revalation of Allha is not to be added to nor messed with. Read the whole verse, people have gone astray many a time before.

dont forget surah 4:59 - read the Quran holistically

"O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the
Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result".

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Confused, are my posts causing problems? going against any rules?

Nope

 

[Peacefully]

I'm smart enough to know better than to consider hadith as a revelation from Allah. No disrespect to anyone. I have tremendous respect for hadith and personally recognize the collections as a secondary authoritative legal sources in Islam, after the Quran. I also recognize that they are fallible, have lies mixed in with its glorious truths from those who wished to sabotage our ummah and or had alterioir motives and I approach them with righteous caution.

 

[beleiver]

many laws in real life work and are practical - traffic laws, environment (not allowed to build on green zones), promoting public good or taxing people to have universal healthcare and education and some countries even have conscription because they dont have enough people in the army. These are enforced.




I dont think it does, having a police force to stop crime is a good idea, enforcing taxes for universal healthcare and supporting educational institutions is another good idea. So is promoting things that enhance what the society stands for.



Every country does this, every institution of learning does this, hospital etc etc. Not criminal or gangsters - actually gangsters get stopped by police which is enforced by the government.

Lets focus on trafic laws, as a motorist and traveller i know about these..

Of course there should be rules or legislation but that is distinct from actual law we are talking about..imho highways should be governed by a code rather than a rigid "law" as not every situation is the same..
For example a law is a constant so if driving over the speed limit is dangerous, i should be dead many years ago, if child seats are a law , if you dont use one you will die, me and my family should be dead as we never used child car seats as children..Its just sound advice pushed as a law...With revenue collectors enforcing that 'law' by force.
Now, gangsters run protection rakets, if you dont comply with what they say they punish you normally by forced stealing, all the police are doing in many cases like revenue collection for traffic 'offences' is what gangsters do exept they have a monopoly on force.
Londoners still refer to the royal family as the firm, and if their exploits of old like the opium trade and conquests and pillaging of lands are not a form of gangster i dont know what is.

You listen to jurist to know what the sacred law has to say about any issue. That is if you want to follow the scared law.



dont forget surah 4:59 - read the Quran holistically

"O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the
Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result".

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Nope

I have no problem listening to jurists to help me understand sacred law but i refuse to let them dictate what that law is..That would be dangerous as i dont know whats in the heart of those jurists, why should i trust them over Allaha and my own senses He blessed me with?

I am very familiar with sura 4:59 but no 'leader' in my life time could every claim to be 'among you' that would imply within the community or a man of the people, most rulers in modern so called democracies live among the oppressors a whole different class to the people.
Where are these scholars and jurists that claim to rule on behalf of Allaha from? either way Allha has no partners..

I read the Quran a good bit' the more i read the more i am drawn to Islam..

Regarding partners in Surah 10 goes in to more detail, it makes the claim Allha created all in truth and detailed his revalations, then goes on to say Allha is your lord and other than His Truth what else is there save error, on how people are turned away, then it states there are no partners and no one can invent a lie against Him, no partners can lead to Truth only Allaha..


35 Say: Is there of your partners (whom ye ascribe unto Allah) one that leadeth to the Truth ? Say: Allah leadeth to the Truth. Is He Who leadeth to the Truth more deserving that He should be followed, or he who findeth not the way unless he (himself) be guided. What aileth you ? How judge ye ?36 Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.37 And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.38 Or say they: He hath invented it ? Say: Then bring a surah like unto it, and call (for help) on all ye can besides Allah, if ye are truthful.39 Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation (in events) hath not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!40 And of them is he who believeth therein, and of them is he who believeth not therein, and thy Lord is Best Aware of the corrupters.41 And if they deny thee, say: Unto me my work, and unto you your work. Ye are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what ye do.

If a universal law for all of man kind for all the time could be put into words the Quran would say it, this ruling about women needing guardians is an invention that has not stood the test of time.

I Love Islam but i could not put my hand on my heart and say its not been corruptted.

It was corrupted many times before and always will be, unless we all hold firm to the Rope of Allaha.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

I have no problem listening to jurists to help me understand sacred law but i refuse to let them dictate what that law is..That would be dangerous as i dont know whats in the heart of those jurists, why should i trust them over Allaha and my own senses He blessed me with?

Allah :swt: Himself asks us to submit to the judgement of His messenger, :saws:. Whatever Rasulullah :saws: has dictated is also part of Islamic law. Anyone who denies that cannot be a Muslim.

Allah :swt: says,

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. [An-Nisa: 65]

 

[beleiver]

Allah :swt: Himself asks us to submit to the judgement of His messenger, :saws:. Whatever Rasulullah :saws: has dictated is also part of Islamic law. Anyone who denies that cannot be a Muslim.

Allah :swt: says,

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. [An-Nisa: 65]

Judgement of disputes between his followers and those among him while he was alive i get, but if he couldnt prohibit honey how could he create an actual enforcable law for all the people all the time?

If Allaha wanted he could of revealed that Law plain and simple?
Why would He repeat so many times how clear, detailed and complete His Quran is if He missed some thing so important, later to be added by men who assumed Mohameds advice when asked about travel was supposed to be a law for everyone when it could it of just been advice or judgement he gave, when asked, for that particular time and situation rather than an actual enforcable law for everyone for all time?

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Why do you have a problem with women having to accompany their male relative during their travels? Why do you say that it was only applicable for that particular time and no more applicable now? Given the widespread corruption of morals nowadays, it is more needed now than at that time.

Islamic laws are universal, for all periods of time and for everyone living everywhere.

 

[Zafran]

Of course there should be rules or legislation but that is distinct from actual law we are talking about..imho highways should be governed by a code rather than a rigid "law" as not every situation is the same..
For example a law is a constant so if driving over the speed limit is dangerous, i should be dead many years ago, if child seats are a law , if you dont use one you will die, me and my family should be dead as we never used child car seats as children..Its just sound advice pushed as a law...With revenue collectors enforcing that 'law' by force

It would reduce the possibility of death and just because you haven't died or haven't killed anyone it doesn't mean that many people haven't been saved by following the speed limit and the code - its always safer to follow the speed limit, to be on the safe side - There are many laws in countries that one can debate about abortion, political system, taxes etc the point is the law is there so safeguard the individual and the society and large and what it stands - But they will be enforced unless argued otherwise.

I have no problem listening to jurists to help me understand sacred law but i refuse to let them dictate what that law is..That would be dangerous as i dont know whats in the heart of those jurists, why should i trust them over Allaha and my own senses He blessed me with?

The sacred law is based on the Quran and sunnah - one owns view clearly can count if your Mujtahid and aware of the sacred law in full. If not you have to follow the ones who know - the same applies with any subject including medicine, law and politics.

I am very familiar with sura 4:59 but no 'leader' in my life time could every claim to be 'among you' that would imply within the community or a man of the people, most rulers in modern so called democracies live among the oppressors a whole different class to the people.
Where are these scholars and jurists that claim to rule on behalf of Allaha from? either way Allha has no partners.

They dont rule on behalf of Allah swt - Jurist interpret the sacred law - you can be one you just have to take the time out to study - just like if one wants to be a doctor or lawyer.

I Love Islam but i could not put my hand on my heart and say its not been corruptted.

It hasnt been.

It was corrupted many times before and always will be, unless we all hold firm to the Rope of Allaha.

If it was God would send a sign or change the people with better people.

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If a universal law for all of man kind for all the time could be put into words the Quran would say it, this ruling about women needing guardians is an invention that has not stood the test of time.

of course it has and will be enforced depending on safety, the distance and the purpose of travel, it still applies in many situations - just like men cannot stay away from the family for too long - again in depends on purpose and distance and time.

 

[beleiver]

It would reduce the possibility of death and just because you haven't died or haven't killed anyone it doesn't mean that many people haven't been saved by following the speed limit and the code - its always safer to follow the speed limit, to be on the safe side - There are many laws in countries that one can debate about abortion, political system, taxes etc the point is the law is there so safeguard the individual and the society and large and what it stands - But they will be enforced unless argued otherwise.




The sacred law is based on the Quran and sunnah - one owns view clearly can count if your Mujtahid and aware of the sacred law in full. If not you have to follow the ones who know - the same applies with any subject including medicine, law and politics.




They dont rule on behalf of Allah swt - Jurist interpret the sacred law - you can be one you just have to take the time out to study - just like if one wants to be a doctor or lawyer.



It hasnt been.



If it was God would send a sign or change the people with better people.

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of course it has and will be enforced depending on safety, the distance and the purpose of travel, it still applies in many situations - just like men cannot stay away from the family for too long - again in depends on purpose and distance and time.

I think where we differ on our opinions might stem from the fact i think we are entering end times, and you might under estimate the power of shaytan who i beleive to be gaining control of todays world..Can you name one 'Muslim' country that doesnt practice usury or is dependant on that system if you say Islam has not been corrupted ?

The whole world is corrupt from the top down..If Islam had not been corrupted why all the wars, and why so many different sects, brothers killing brother, where is the unity?

What does the Quran say, its a clear warning how Islam was corrupted before, as well as a guide for all the people for all time.

I will wait for Jesus, and the Iman Mahadi, till they reveal them selves and make clear again what was reveled before, i will not submit to anyone other than the will of the creator, ask Him for guidance and forgiveness in my prayers, hold Rope of Allha, the Quran as truth in my hand and look to the hadith with interest.

Thanks for your well thought out and respectfull replies they have been helpful, i will have a look at what a Mujtahid is and try to better understand how this law system works, so make a more informed desision if i want to openly and publicly embrace what is todays Islam..
For now i think we are going in circles on this topic and wish you the best of peace, and may we meet as brothers on that staright path.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

I think where we differ on our opinions might stem from the fact i think we are entering end times,

The end times began when the prophet arrived. The corruption you speak of was something the prophet warned us about and is to be expected. It doesn't mean the religion itself is corrupted, it doesn't mean the Quran and Hadith were corrupted, rather, the mentality of people has been corrupted (hence the sects etc). People have been severely deceived (which is why usury is widespread and unavoidable today). You won't get very far in your eschatology studies (end time studies) without hadith.

In order to figure out what time you are in today, you will need to accept the authority hadith has and learn to pair it up with Quran. Also, you may want to study the seerah so that you understand just how hadith and Quran go together. I'm a convert by the way, and I've been where you are.

 

[anatolian]

"Praying the five prayers has to be in Arabic"

What!?

As if GOD cannot understand any other language. GOD knows one's thoughts; one's thoughts are generally in their native tongue.

Its not about God being able to understand us or not. Allah understands us even if we dont say anything. But Allah revealed Quran in Arabic and wants us to read from Quran while performing the ritual prayer and He wants us to use the exact same words he chosed and we are supposed to obey Him. Thats all about it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Its not about God being able to understand us or not. Allah understands us even if we dont say anything. But Allah revealed Quran in Arabic and wants us to read from Quran while performing the ritual prayer and He wants us to use the exact same words he chosed and we are supposed to obey Him. Thats all about it.

I am american and read the Quran and also other core sacred texts.....none of which are originally written in English.

Is there a reference in the Quran commanding that prayer be both ritualistic habit in nature, and too, only received from habit and repetition in Arabic?

Thanks in advance.

 

[noraina]

Assalamu alaykum,

I haven't read through the whole thread, but I just wanted to give my two cents.

In theory, the concept that women are not allowed travel alone can sound oppressive and horrible, but as a Muslim woman myself, and having experienced this as it's practically put into place, nothing could be further from the truth. It's not that a woman can't leave her house on her own, or has to beg her husband or father to be able to do normal things such studying or seeing friends or travelling. This issue isn't a black and white as some would have it.

Now, I know there are families or men who will abuse such statements and oppress their women and prevent them and be unjust to them, but I'm not talking about them, and Islam categorically forbids any type of oppression or injustice.

It's not like I sit at home all day, unable to study or work, or see my friends and family, lol. It doesn't work like that. If I'm going to the library, or somewhere locally, I'll go to my father, say, "Dad, I'm just popping down to the library with so-and-so, I'll be back in an hour" or something like that. And yes, my parents do always want to know where I am, and I didn't leave the house on my own until I was 18, and I'm definitely not allowed to be out once it is dark. And if I'm going to another city, or another country, then my parents will always come with me. And when I get married in'sha'Allah, it'll be the same with my husband. And alhamdulillah I truly appreciate that they are so concerned for my welfare, and are always there for me. And many of my friends think the same.

I have never once felt restricted. When Islam is applied properly, and in a just manner, then you can only see the inherent beauty and wisdom in the commandments of Allah swt. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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And I forgot to mention an important point, regarding the OP, the purpose of the hijab or not travelling alone isn't solely for preventing 'rape'. These 'victim-blaming' attitudes are a major problem.

We should never accept a kind of society where women feel unsafe or vulnerable, sexual harassment can happen to anyone, subhanAllah. You can be covered head to toe, outside in broad-daylight, and face abuse or harassment - it does happen.

Sadly, because of all the corruption and fitnah outside, for a women to travel with a mahram is as important as it has ever been.

 

[azc]

I am american and read the Quran and also other core sacred texts.....none of which are originally written in English.

Is there a reference in the Quran commanding that prayer be both ritualistic habit in nature, and too, only received from habit and repetition in Arabic?

Thanks in advance.

Does the Quran permit you to recite in non Arabic while praying...?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Does the Quran permit you to recite in non Arabic while praying...?

I'm asking you, and others who are much more versed in the Quran.

Please provide references.

Other core sacred texts make no such distinction that I have seen. That isn't me saying the Quran does not.

 

[Zzz_]

I'm asking you, and others who are much more versed in the Quran.

Please provide references.

Other core sacred texts make no such distinction that I have seen. That isn't me saying the Quran does not.

As a non-native you can read the Quran in other languages for understanding and that is perfectly fine. But know that what you are reading is a translation, a selection of words and phrasing according to the understanding of the translator and nothing more. The original meaning will never truly be grasped. Reading the Quran is also a form of worship and the reward of that will not be earned unless it's done in the original language it was revealed in.

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With regard to reading Qur’aan, the majority say that it is not permissible to read it in any language other than Arabic. The evidence for this is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):


“Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’aan…” [Yoosuf 12:2]

and ‘In the plain Arabic language’ [al-Shu’ara’ 26:195].


Moreover, the Qur’aan is a miracle in its wording and its meaning; if it is changed, this is no longer the case, and it is no longer Qur’aan but an interpretation (tafseer). (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, part 5: A’jami).

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