Why Islam is not Acceptable to West!!!

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i find islam just as acceptable as any other religion. i would not find it acceptable to live in a theocracy of any kind.
 
wilberhum said:
Ya, I just love those IF's. :hiding:

Let's see, if the world was flat................
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im trying to say that we had the opportunity to imperialise the cıountries we conquered but we didnt because it is against islam and it is against ethic to be a developed nation by imperialisation....

we had opportunity but we didnt use this as it is inhumane...but westerners did this inhumane unethic thing and became developed cıuntries...
 
snakelegs said:
i find islam just as acceptable as any other religion. i would not find it acceptable to live in a theocracy of any kind.
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I will join this one. If Muslims accept to practice Islam as a religion in the West, then I see absolutely no problems. But starting to mess up and try to impose their laws in our society: Definetely NOT !
Muslims and Christians living together in a place ruled by secular laws. That would be my vision of peace.
 
guyabano said:
I will join this one. If Muslims accept to practice Islam as a religion in the West, then I see absolutely no problems. But starting to mess up and try to impose their laws in our society: Definetely NOT !
Muslims and Christians living together in a place ruled by secular laws. That would be my vision of peace.
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I think that depends on what you would call messing it up?
If u are talking about muslims who dont practise Islam, i would agree with you 100%, but if you're talking about islam- the only religion in the universe that allows you to leave ur home opened and trust nothing will be stolen, my dear brother ur sorely mistaken...
 
guyabano said:
I will join this one. If Muslims accept to practice Islam as a religion in the West, then I see absolutely no problems. But starting to mess up and try to impose their laws in our society: Definetely NOT !
Muslims and Christians living together in a place ruled by secular laws. That would be my vision of peace.
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can i ask you something, do you think a just ruler who is sincere is enough to run a fair secular government?

dont you think even in his sincerity there will be faults and imperfections... even a whole council or commitee is likely to have mistakes and imperfections when dealing with such a huge responsibility.
 
ok,

I imagine a place, where everybody is free to practice his religion according to their beliefs WITH the restriction (And that is vaild for ALL religions) that no priest, scholar, imam, bischop, or whatever has a power in a governement.
Governement is elected by people and NO laws made by any God !
A Concil/Government shall be voted and grouped by people of all religions equally and discuss. I think, everybody would have to make some restrictions to satisfy the whole community.
Religious problems should be discussed and fixed within the believer community

I know, its a little bit simplistic view, but hey, it would be a nice start. :D
 
^ lol but i asked if why you think that its a good system, everything based on the desires of a few people, and then they implement what they "feel" is best and everyone else gets adapted into it. What makes this so good? im asking you why you dont seem to think that man-made laws are disruptive (which they clearly are, we can see that from todays world), we need a better source for our laws... dont you think?
 
Ebtisweetsam said:
I think that depends on what you would call messing it up?
If u are talking about muslims who dont practise Islam, i would agree with you 100%, but if you're talking about islam- the only religion in the universe that allows you to leave ur home opened and trust nothing will be stolen, my dear brother ur sorely mistaken...
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Never will happen. You are talking about a dream land where all Muslims are good people. :rollseyes
 
yigiter187 said:
im trying to say that we had the opportunity to imperialise the cıountries we conquered but we didnt because it is against islam and it is against ethic to be a developed nation by imperialisation....

we had opportunity but we didnt use this as it is inhumane...but westerners did this inhumane unethic thing and became developed cıuntries...
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You are reading "History" by "The Victors".

Have a read about what some of the loosere say.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
can i ask you something, do you think a just ruler who is sincere is enough to run a fair secular government?

dont you think even in his sincerity there will be faults and imperfections... even a whole council or commitee is likely to have mistakes and imperfections when dealing with such a huge responsibility.
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Do you assume that anyone can just because they call god Allah?
 
guyabano said:
...and what would be this better source of law ? God...?
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Let's see...create laws based on the experiences of people which change due to circumstances and situations OR create laws laid out by the being that created those people and knows us better than we know ourselves...

Tough decision.
 
I support secularism not because I don't wish to follow God's law, but I believe a secular democracy/republic gives people the freedom to worship and follow whatever religious law they wish, as long as it doesn't harm others. Secularism preserves religion in my mind, as there is a concrete freedom to worship as one sees fit. No wars over religious control, no mass exodus in search of freedom.
 
I fail to undertand the relation betwen "intoxication" and "development", the only development you would get is the ticket handed to you by a cop.

Islam has bo problem is the West is drinking or doing drugs or having sex, Islam is only warning about "what happens after the above"???
 
silkworm said:
I fail to undertand the relation betwen "intoxication" and "development", the only development you would get is the ticket handed to you by a cop.

Islam has bo problem is the West is drinking or doing drugs or having sex, Islam is only warning about "what happens after the above"???
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Well, sometimes I get the feeling, that 'some' muslims really need these kind of restrictions to be able to live in a society. Me, I live in the west, and have absolutely no problem with drugs, alcohol, sex or whatever sins. It's called self-control. Most people have self-control. There is just a bunch of 'outlaws'. Now I notice, that 'these' muslims here on the forum judge the whole western society based upon these few ones, who don't know to behave.
But exactely 'these' muslims are the ones, who complain, when 'we westeners' judge all muslims beeing terrorists based upon a few muslim 'outlaws'.

Further, you don't like sex (which I seriously doubt), alcohol and drugs, so stay on your side and don't complain !
 
Exactly, thats what we want, for instance when we do not criticize or despice your "half-naked" ladies strolling on the beaches, you shouldn't also be despising our ladies who are properly dressed and are not "offering" the forbidden fruit to every tom, dick and harry that comes in the way.
 
silkworm said:
Exactly, thats what we want, for instance when we do not criticize or despice your "half-naked" ladies strolling on the beaches, you shouldn't also be despising our ladies who are properly dressed and are not "offering" the forbidden fruit to every tom, dick and harry that comes in the way.
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Exactly you are good and we are evil.
So that is why you should stay away.

It is just not possible for a good person to remain good in our society. :embarrass
 
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