why isn't prophet mohamed ?

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Ahmed Al Ansari said:
Proof that the Qur'an is a confirmation of the books that preceded it.
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How is that proof? Especially to me, who views the book of john as no more divine then the cat and the hat?

Also, how does this proove anything to an christian? I mean you use the term "corrupted" so often and yet you pick and chose many verse which are myseriously "uncorrupted" because they serve your purpose. Your logic makes no sense.
 
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Lol it does make sense. We believe the Bible has been tampered with, but it doesnt negate the fact it contains truth. Its been stated on here many times, especially by the Mods. Corrupted doesnt have to mean its all wrong. Just like one can say the US is corrupted, but it doesnt mean everyone inside is. Get me?
 
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Ahmed Al Ansari said:
Amazing how the Qur'an confirms this EXACT verse:

[53:3] And he does not say anything by his own desire.

[53:4] It is but a divine revelation, which is revealed to him.

Enough proof.
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Yes, thats exactly what came to my mind when i first read that verse.

Theres also a verse in th Old Testament which states the exact same thing:

Deuteronomy

18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.


The Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not die until his message was completed, just like the OT verse says, we know this because:

Qur'an:

5:3 This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam

And on his final sermon, Prophet Muhammad PBUH hinted his time was coming.

Qur'an claims to be the absolute word of God-all what He said whereas the Bible claims to be the inspired world of God. Qur'an fulfills the condition stated in the OT, NT and Qur'an.

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IzakHalevas said:
How is that proof? Especially to me, who views the book of john as no more divine then the cat and the hat?

Also, how does this proove anything to an christian? I mean you use the term "corrupted" so often and yet you pick and chose many verse which are myseriously "uncorrupted" because they serve your purpose. Your logic makes no sense.
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And neither does yours since your posting in a thread about which you understand nothing.

Yes, your book and the books of the Chrisitians are corrupted, yet not in entirety, some parts of Truth remains. Why do you think Islam refers to them as People of the Book and not as pagans who have not a shred of truth in them? Because there remains some aspects of Truth, yet what is corrupted is greater than what is remaining. And even from what of the Truth is remaining, it stands as a proof for Islam, just as i showed above. The verse in the Bible corresponds with the Verse in the Quran thus being a manifest proof that the Quran is the Truth. Only the one who revealed the Bible has revealed the Quran.
 
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Deuteronomy

18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.


The Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not die until his message was completed, just like the OT verse says, we know this because:
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Oh do you really want to begin a debate on that? It has already been refuted a few times on this website. Your argument in reality makes no sense, and to say that any type of Islamic prophet is mentioned in this verse is sheer lunacy.
 
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And neither does yours since your posting in a thread about which you understand nothing.

Yes, your book and the books of the Chrisitians are corrupted, yet not in entirety, some parts of Truth remains. Why do you think Islam refers to them as People of the Book and not as pagans who have not a shred of truth in them? Because there remains some aspects of Truth, yet what is corrupted is greater than what is remaining. And even from what of the Truth is remaining, it stands as a proof for Islam, just as i showed above. The verse in the Bible corresponds with the Verse in the Quran thus being a manifest proof that the Quran is the Truth. Only the one who revealed the Bible has revealed the Quran.
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Wow, so it is all corrupted except for what fits your agenda. :rollseyes What a convinient way to look at it. I suggest however, that you not lecture me on how my Holy Books are "corrupted" since I believe I know a lot more about them than you since you insist on using an angry tone with me.

Your "proof" made absolutly no sense, when I read the verse in context.
 
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IzakHalevas said:
Wow, so it is all corrupted except for what fits your agenda. :rollseyes What a convinient way to look at it. I suggest however, that you not lecture me on how my Holy Books are "corrupted" since I believe I know a lot more about them than you since you insist on using an angry tone with me.

Your "proof" made absolutly no sense, when I read the verse in context.
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Any parts that do not contain associationism in any way or form.
 
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IzakHalevas said:
Oh do you really want to begin a debate on that? It has already been refuted a few times on this website. Your argument in reality makes no sense, and to say that any type of Islamic prophet is mentioned in this verse is sheer lunacy.
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The debates where it is attempted to show that neither Jesus nor Muhammad peace be upon them fulfilled some other conditions in the OT? Seen them on other forums but if u have a link to any such discussions/debates on this forum, it'll be interesting to read.

It may seem like "sheer lunacy" to you, but what is mentioned in those verses is an important part of our belief. (you seemed a bit defenseive in that post)
 
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Goku said:
The debates where it is attempted to show that neither Jesus nor Muhammad peace be upon them fulfilled some other conditions in the OT? Seen them on other forums but if u have a link to any such discussions/debates on this forum, it'll be interesting to read.

It may seem like "sheer lunacy" to you, but what is mentioned in those verses is an important part of our belief. (you seemed a bit defenseive in that post)
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http://www.islamicboard.com/617389-post33.html

Not defensive, just outraged at how you think that by quoting a verse that has nothing to do with your prohet from our holiest book is not anything but a complete insult to me.

One of the conditions was to bring world peace in their life time. Did jesus or your prophet do this?
 
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IzakHalevas said:
Not defensive, just outraged at how you think that by quoting a verse that has nothing to do with your prohet from our holiest book is not anything but a complete insult to me.

One of the conditions was to bring world peace in their life time. Did jesus or your prophet do this?
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Are you also outraged that your holy book has gone through alterations and changes? (refer to the links to books posted, they are by a Christian scholar not a Muslim)

There are Jews who have reverted to Islam, the OT was the holiest book for them as well.

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/

http://www.whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16697

Which other book from Abrahamic religious origin claims (or outside the Abrahamic Faiths) to be the absolute word of God?

As for world peace, Jesus PBUH will bring that in his second coming, by the will of God.
 
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Ahmed Al Ansari said:
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This one looks good too:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0195141822/ref=sib_rdr_dp/203-4021391-9495902
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During the lifetime of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and after his death, his Companions (Sahabah) used to refer to him directly, when quoting his sayings. The Successors (Tabi'un) followed suit; some of them used to quote the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) through the Companions while others would omit the intermediate authority - such a hadith was later known as mursal. It was found that the missing link between the Successor and the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) might be one person, i.e. a Companion, or two people, the extra person being an older Successor who heard the hadith from the Companion. This is an example of how the need for the verification of each isnad arose; Imam Malik (d. 179) said, "The first one to utilise the isnad was Ibn Shihab al- Zuhri" (d. 124).3.

The other more important reason was the deliberate fabrication of ahadith by various sects which appeared amongst the Muslims, in order to support their views (see later, under discussion of maudu' ahadith). Ibn Sirin (d. 110), a Successor, said, "They would not ask about the isnad. But when the fitnah (trouble, turmoil, esp. civil war) happened, they said: Name to us your men. So the narrations of the Ahl al-Sunnah (Adherents to the Sunnah) would be accepted, while those of the Ahl al-Bid'ah (Adherents to Innovation) would not be accepted."
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Apparently not all writings that claim to be a Hadith are counted trustworthy. If Muslims are permitted to apply tests before accepting Hadiths, why would Christians not be allowed to test writings that claim to be Gospels?
 
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Careful now, you are forgetting that there are Jews who have reverted to Islam, the OT was the holiest book for them as well.
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No offense, but not many smart ones. The majority of "Jews" do not follow any of the Torah, and identify themselves as "liberals" or "secular" a huge majority do.

Which other book from Abrahamic religious origin claims (or outside the Abrahamic Faiths) to be the absolute word of God?
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We do. The Torah is the word of G-d.
 
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IzakHalevas said:
No offense, but not many smart ones. The majority of "Jews" do not follow any of the Torah, and identify themselves as "liberals" or "secular" a huge majority do.
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They maybe secular, some of them may have been orthodox, but orthodox Jews are against Israel because of their belief in the Torah. From what i have seen from ur posts, ur pretty pro-Israel, are there many orthodox Jews who are pro-Islam? My understanding is that orthodox Jews believe G-d will send a messiah who will return them to the Holy land so in the meantime they shouldnt go there. I mean no offense if you find this offensive, but thats what i have understood:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/


We do. The Torah is the word of G-d.
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OK, but that word of G-d states there will be another prophet who will speak what G-d says, thats what we believe the Qur'an to be, the exact word of G-d.

Anyway you have the right to believe what you wish, as do we. :)
 
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They maybe secular, some of them may have been orthodox, but orthodox Jews are against Israel because of their belief in the Torah.
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Your wrong, and have no clue what you are talking about. Orthodox Jews are not all against Israel and these are lies from a sect that has actually been excommunicated from Ultra-Orthodox Judaism.

I am an Orthodox Jew, and the most pious and Orthodox Jews were protesting at the houses of all the members of the anti-zionists who went to Iran.

I am no Zionist, as an Orthodox Jew, but Jewish life, and life of all humanity in general must be taken into account under Jewish law.

I think you are full of BS since you are telling me about Judaism, but in case you aren't please tell me what passages of the Torah/Talmud say that supporting Israel is wrong.

Please enlighten me.

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Chasidim (ultra orthodox jews) denounced Neturi Karta at a rally Sunday.

These are the denounciations of the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish authories against this gorup:


Picture of the Ultra-Orthodox jewish authority denounciation of this group:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/satmaragainstnk.jpg


OK, but that word of G-d states there will be another prophet who will speak what G-d says, thats what we believe the Qur'an to be, the exact word of G-d.
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Yeah, and the word of G-d also says this prophet will:

1. Bring world peace.
2. Bring all the Jews to Israel.
3. Bring the ressurection of the dead.
4. Bring monotheism to this world so every human on earth becomes a monotheist.
5. Studied the Torah all day...

I can go on and on... did your prophet or jesus do these things????

NO! Which is why we are still waiting for the Moshiach.
 
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No need to cuss. He wasnt trying to tell you what Judaism is. If he makes a mistake just tell em, dont need to lash out. And he already apologized before hand incase u might take it offensive. So just relax a bit.

I mean no offense if you find this offensive, but thats what i have understood
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isnt this starting to go waaaay off toipc :?

i think the point was made, the gospel is what Muslims believe in, and it is where the name of the prophet was mentioned.

As for other books written by humans, its not that important whether it was mentioned in there or not.

salams
 

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