why isn't prophet mohamed ?

[shible]

Assalamu alaikkum brothers and sisters I have a PPt that describes about the Gospel of barnabas the close companion of Jesus.

and it was destroyed by paul.

I can send that PPT. It not only describes about the gospel but also many facts about Islam with comparision of other Religions.

hi guys this is my mail id, In case if you wish you can either send me mail so that i could send that file

or you can give ur id in this thred no issues

 

[IzakHalevas]

i find it more effective to prove to the christians the flaw of jesus dying for our sins and the concept of the trinity.

no need to go into the details of whats written in the bible and other minor details when such a huge flaw can be found in the basic fundamental faith such as Jesus dying for the sins of every rapist and drug addicted serial killer out there.

may ALlaah grant us the understanding...

Yet, a man who kills 100 people will be forgiven if he repents and converts according to Islam. I'll try and find the post for you and the replies that told me that is the absolute truth.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

If he sincerely repents and does not repeat it again. G-d knows what is really in the persons heart. Take the Pharoah for example. He was an awful person. Right before he was going to die, he accepted Islam, but it was not accepted. He did it just to escape punishment. He didnt do it sincerely.

 

[Malaikah]

^Yes exaclty! Well said.

IzakHalevas, I think there something about the word sincerely and the conditions for repentance that you do not understand.

 

[Malaikah]

This verse in the Hadith states that Jesus was less righteous or worthy of interceeding for mankind before God than Muhammed. If Muhammed actually said this, I would interpret this as coming in his own name.

What do you mean? How is it coming in his own name? :?

 

[Jayda]

hi jayda ,

were you able to view the attachment.

was it helpfull for your queries

Assalamu alaikkum brothers and sisters I have a PPt that describes about the Gospel of barnabas the close companion of Jesus.

and it was destroyed by paul.

I can send that PPT. It not only describes about the gospel but also many facts about Islam with comparision of other Religions.

hi guys this is my mail id, In case if you wish you can either send me mail so that i could send that file

or you can give ur id in this thred no issues

hola shible,

i still cannot open the file... i think you are saying that this is a power point presentation, which explains the difficulty for me (i do not have powerpoint).

but i think i have the general understanding from your abbreviated post here and elsewhere... at least enough to know that the presentation cannot be correct...

first, the "gospel of Barnabas" which you are talking about did not exist during the first sixteen centuries after Christ... it was printed by the turks and distributed in spanish and italian (which are anachronistic), and attributed to the apostle (not disciple) Barnabas, but he never wrote it.

next, i think you mentioned in another place that it was rejected for Canon at Nicea, but the Canon of Holy Scripture was not decided at Nicea, the only issues at Nicea were arianism, when easter would be celebrated and what prayers would be performed, and what to do about people who converted from Christianity under torture from the romans... there were also anathemas for those who did not accept the council.

next, the Apostle St. Paul did not destroy any scriptures... there is nothing suggesting any were even written down at his time, most scholars believe that aside from the decree of the Apostles in 70AD (which was to settle a disagreement about Jewish law and gentiles between Peter and Paul), nothing was written down until the very end of the first or very beginning of the second century. everything was an oral tradition from that time...

the apostle did not destroy scriptures, that was impossible since they were not written, and the Barnabas "gospel" did not exist before the 16th century.

some writers i think are deliberately trying to confuse people who do not understand these things... there is something called "the epistle of Barnabas" which is written by Barnabas, and it comes from the late first century. it was included in an early manuscript called the codex sinaiticus from the 4th century.

epistles are lettings... not gospels, (a letter versus a book) and the epistle is very Pauline, Pauline theology means that gentiles do not have to follow the Jewish laws, but they do have to follow the Noahide laws. this is what was decided at the Council of Jerusalem, presided over by the remaining disciples.

the epistle of Barnabas says that gentiles do not have to follow certain kosher laws, do not have to be circumcized and that Christians, not Jews have the true covenant. it does not talk about Jesus or Christianity, it is about laws...

please do not allow somebody to tell you that the epistle of Barnabas and the gospel of Barnabas are the same...

here is more information about the epistle of Barnabas

here is more information about the "gospel" attributed to Barnabas

i hope this clears any confusion you have...

Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

So if someone says that he got the holy spirit within him.. and then writes a book related to christianity(he writes some new concepts)... will u Christians accept his boook?

and if he wants his book to be included in in the bible.... will u all agree with him?????

hola Muzammil,

protestants and Catholics have different ideas about inspiration from the Holy Spirit... i do not understand their ideas about this very well but what i see on TV some sundays scares me... i think they believe that they can personally be taken over by the Holy Spirit like what happened to the apostles during pentecost, and everything they say is perfect and from God... ex cathedra

Catholics believe that what happened at Pentecost was something that only happened to the apostles...

we believe the Holy Spirit continues to guide the Church but for different reasons, God told Peter that He would build tie His Church to Peter, who he called a "rock" and that the gates of hell would never prevail against it (the Church). Jesus also promised to be with his apostles until the end of the age... a promise which is kept through apostolic succession.

we do believe that the Holy Spirit guides the lay in their lives but it is not the same direct guidance that God gives His Church... it is not guidance that grants authority.

an offshoot of God being with his apostles to the end of the age is that the Gospels were also guided by God... all four gospels were written by apostles... it is one of the first things that must be proven for the Church to accept a gospel, they must show apostolic origin... that way there is at least a potential for the gospel to be inspired. there are many other criteria after that...

but the important thing to understand is that it must be "inspired," which means that before anything it must come from somebody who is capable of being inspired (which is not the average person), and it must be examined and accepted by the Church... which is also guided by God.

Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

If he sincerely repents and does not repeat it again. G-d knows what is really in the persons heart. Take the Pharoah for example. He was an awful person. Right before he was going to die, he accepted Islam, but it was not accepted. He did it just to escape punishment. He didnt do it sincerely.

hola Tayyaba,

i am confused why muslims say "G-d" sometimes... like Jews say... is this something the quran tells you to do? i am confused by it because i think Jews do it so that they do not say "God" because they believe it is blasphemous (i think) to say his name... or anything like that... but muslims believe God has 99 names and they can be said read and named... so these things seem to be in conflict... maybe Izak or rav could also explain if i misunderstand these things?

Dios te bendiga....

 

[IzakHalevas]

G-d's name cannot be erased. Therefore, when typing on this website, if a post is deleted or the site is taken down and the name of G-d is here, then it will be erased. Therefore we do not write his name.

There are a few other more complicated reasons as well.

 

[Malaikah]

i am confused why muslims say "G-d" sometimes... like Jews say... is this something the quran tells you to do? i am confused by it because i think Jews do it so that they do not say "God" because they believe it is blasphemous (i think) to say his name... or anything like that... but muslims believe God has 99 names and they can be said read and named... so these things seem to be in conflict... maybe Izak or rav could also explain if i misunderstand these things?

It is a Jewish belief... not a Muslim one. I don't know why some Muslim do it...

 

[Sunni Student]

firstly sorry if someone had already said this in the thread already, i havent read all of the posts!

If anyone is intrested in understanding this topic, then they shud read 'Muhammad in the Bible' by Ahmad Deedat or watch the video.

 

[Jayda]

G-d's name cannot be erased. Therefore, when typing on this website, if a post is deleted or the site is taken down and the name of G-d is here, then it will be erased. Therefore we do not write his name.

There are a few other more complicated reasons as well.

It is a Jewish belief... not a Muslim one. I don't know why some Muslim do it...

gracias IzakHalevas and Malaikah,

is it possible Muslims do this for continuity between Jewish beliefs and Muslim ones?

Dios te bendiga

 

[dougmusr]

What do you mean? How is it coming in his own name? :?

"So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission." This sets up Muhammed as an intermediary between God and man and makes Muhammed the agent through which Gods forgiveness is given, that is he can choose to interceed or not interceed for those who come to him.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601: Narrated Ma'bad bin Hilal Al'Anzi:

"It will be said, 'O, Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers!' Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the Fire.' I will go and do so."'

This verse presumes that Muhammad is capable of knowing the hearts of men and of their level of faith. I would think this power would be reserved for God.

 

[IzakHalevas]

It is a Jewish belief... not a Muslim one. I don't know why some Muslim do it...

Although it is a Jewish belief, it is still a beautiful belief to not wish G-d's name be erased in anyway, do you not agree?

 

[Goku]

Re: why isn't prohet mohamed ?

Your wrong, and have no clue what you are talking about. Orthodox Jews are not all against Israel and these are lies from a sect that has actually been excommunicated from Ultra-Orthodox Judaism.

I am an Orthodox Jew, and the most pious and Orthodox Jews were protesting at the houses of all the members of the anti-zionists who went to Iran.

I am no Zionist, as an Orthodox Jew, but Jewish life, and life of all humanity in general must be taken into account under Jewish law.

I think you are full of BS since you are telling me about Judaism, but in case you aren't please tell me what passages of the Torah/Talmud say that supporting Israel is wrong.

Please enlighten me.

I am not the one who claims to be an orthodox Jew saying Israel is against my belief. And speaking of BS, you are the one talking of excommunicating a Jewish sect, who gave you authority? What if they follow the Jewish faith more accurately, or vice versa? You wish to tell these Jews they are excommunicated:

Chasidim (ultra orthodox jews) denounced Neturi Karta at a rally Sunday.

These are the denounciations of the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish authories against this gorup:


Picture of the Ultra-Orthodox jewish authority denounciation of this group:

Yep, differences of opinion, i didnt claimed all orthodox Jews are against Israel, just that there are orthodox Jews who are against Israel. And that is not my personal viewpoint, i think a 2 state solution is a plausable solution.

Yeah, and the word of G-d also says this prophet will:

1. Bring world peace.
2. Bring all the Jews to Israel.
3. Bring the ressurection of the dead.
4. Bring monotheism to this world so every human on earth becomes a monotheist.
5. Studied the Torah all day...

I can go on and on... did your prophet or jesus do these things????

NO! Which is why we are still waiting for the Moshiach.

Ressurrection of the dead will happen at Judgement Day, Prophet Jesus' second coming will bring monotheism around the world.

No need to cuss. He wasnt trying to tell you what Judaism is. If he makes a mistake just tell em, dont need to lash out. And he already apologized before hand incase u might take it offensive. So just relax a bit.

Jazak Allah Khair Sister.

 

[IzakHalevas]

I am not the one who claims to be an orthodox Jew saying Israel is against my belief. And speaking of BS, you are the one talking of excommunicating a Jewish sect, who gave you authority? What if they follow the Jewish faith more accurately, or vice versa? You wish to tell these Jews they are excommunicated:

Well they are a sect of about 1,000-3,000 and they have been excommunicated by even the anti-zionist ultra-orthodox groups. I already showed you the paper posted in all shuls about this excommunication, not only because there actions and violations of "lashon hara" but because they have been accused of worshiping there leader as some sort of diety. For example, imagine if a Muslim cleric says "it is okay to eat pork" and his followers say "yes because this cleric knows best". This is what is going on with this group. There leaders say things that are against the Torah and there followers take there word over G-d's.

Here are pictures from a protest against one of their leaders staying in a hotel:

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1366

It got so bad, the hotel wrote this:

Ressurrection of the dead will happen at Judgement Day, Prophet Jesus' second coming will bring monotheism around the world.

It is clearly stated that the Moshiach will accomplish this in his life time, and if he is killed or dies, he is definitly not the Moshiach, because G-d would not send Moshiach and let him die before his mission is complete.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

they have been accused of worshiping there leader as some sort of diety. For example, imagine if a Muslim cleric says "it is okay to eat pork" and his followers say "yes because this cleric knows best".

It's a good comparison, since we have this concept in Islam (the prohibition on following taghut).

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

jazakAllaah khair goku, it made me happy to see those images mashaAllaah

 

[Trumble]

have you heard about the Gospel of Barnabas.

where barnabas was a very close companion of jesus and the bible also refers him as apostle.in Acts(14:14), and as a good man full of holy spirit in Acts(11:24)

Assalamu alaikkum brothers and sisters I have a PPt that describes about the Gospel of barnabas the close companion of Jesus.

and it was destroyed by paul.

The only known ancient record we have of the gospel of Barnabas is from a fifth century list of apocrypha... that's a century after the Council of Nicea and rather longer after Paul died. It is highly unlikely it was even written until long after Paul's death.

The text we have today is a medieval forgery, a fact that is accepted by all serious scholars, including the muslim ones who don't have other agendas. You won't, of course, have gathered that from sites such as http://barnabas.net which find such things as 'facts' far too inconvenient to mention. Even that site makes clear that

"The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E."

...which, as it was never accepted as canonical gospel anywhere else suggests both that it originated in that area and that it was never accepted widely beyond it even if it ever got beyond it. That hardly suggests an 'authentic' first century, Aramaic origin and it is far more likely to have been authored a couple of centuries later in Coptic. As the text no longer exists, we will never know... unless, of course, another 'lost' gospel turns up preserved in the desert somewhere.

and do u know that the only gospel wrote on Aramaic language in which the jesus spoke was also destroyed.

Nope. I don't think anybody else knows that either.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

This sets up Muhammed as an intermediary between God and man and makes Muhammed the agent through which Gods forgiveness is given, that is he can choose to interceed or not interceed for those who come to him.

This is not a Muslim belief, you just made this up.

We believe that on the Day of Judgement, God will allow Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to ask God for some things. For instance (quote from a text by Shaykh al-Munajjid):

What this intercession means is that he will intercede for all of mankind when Allaah delays the Reckoning and they have waited for so long in the place of gathering on the Day of Resurrection. Their distress and anxiety will reach a point where they can no longer bear it, and they will say, “Who will intercede for us with our Lord so that He will pass judgement amongst His slaves?” and they will wish to leave that place. So the people will come to the Prophets, each of whom will say, “I am not able for it,” until when they come to our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he will say, “I am able for it, I am able for it.” So he will intercede for them, that judgement may be passed. This is the greater intercession, and it is one of the things that belong exclusively to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

However, we don't turn to Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) to ask for his intercession. we turn to God. Because we know that the only way he will ever get this position on the Day of Judgement is because God will allow it.

There are a few conditions for this intercession:

Allaah must approve of the one for whom intercession is made, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:28]

Allaah must give permission to the intercessor to intercede, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?”[al-Baqarah 2:255]

Allaah must approve of the intercessor, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“…whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allaah has given leave for whom He wills and is pleased with”

[al-Najm 53:26]

It isn't true that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is the agent through which forgiveness is given. I'll ask you not to misrepresent Islamich teachings, thank you very much.

For more information about this, see this link:
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=26259&ln=eng

This verse presumes that Muhammad is capable of knowing the hearts of men and of their level of faith. I would think this power would be reserved for God.

First of all, it's not a verse. I think you confused this with the Qur'an. It's a hadith.

Second of all, it does no such thing. You can't just read this as an isolated hadith and deduce Islamic principles of faith from your own interpretation. That's not how it works. You take into consideration the other Islamic texts pertaining to this.

It's clear from other Islamic texts that Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) doesn't know about the unseen unless God has revealed something to him of it.
So he doesn't know what is concealed in the hearts of men.

Also, it is stated in another hadith that the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) will say, refering to some people,: ‘They are from me.” And it will be said; “You do not know what they did after you were gone.” And I will say, “Away with those who changed after I was gone!"
So you see that your statement was false, based on the hadith I just quoted which clearly mentions that he will not know about what is concealed in the hearts of men.

How will the level of faith be known? Well, in other hadiths it is mentioned for instance that some will have special signs on their foreheads, hands and feet because of the ablution before prayer and so it will be evident who are the believers. I don't know if this refers to these particular people, though. So maybe God will just make it clear who are the ones with faith, I don't know.