Why Muslim and not Mormon?

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Both faiths disagree with the scripture that preceded them. Both were started by one man making dubious claims of visions. Neither one fits with the general message given in scripture before them. Neither one agrees with earlier scripture concerning Heaven and what happens to man. Both agree on marriage in Heaven when earlier scripture speaks plainly against it. Neither one agrees that Jesus is God in spite of Old Testament scripture saying Jesus would be called Almighty.

If I were to rate the Koran against the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon and the writing styles, I would have to rate the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon as sounding more biblical.

If you were to make an argument to an unbeliever in favor of Islam over Mormonism (not the exact correct term, but close enough) what would it be?

Show me why I should give Muhammad any more weight than Joseph Smith.

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Nimrod
 
Abdul Majid, I have very slow dial-up internet access. It would be helpful if you would just type out your opinion. To down-load a video/audio file is very time consuming.

*edit* I tried to down-load the file in spite of the loooonnngggg time needed so I could be fair in judging any replies.
My safety programs stopped the down-load.
I would use caution.

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Nimrod
 
nimrod said:
Both faiths disagree with the scripture that preceded them. Both were started by one man making dubious claims of visions. Neither one fits with the general message given in scripture before them. Neither one agrees with earlier scripture concerning Heaven and what happens to man. Both agree on marriage in Heaven when earlier scripture speaks plainly against it. Neither one agrees that Jesus is God in spite of Old Testament scripture saying Jesus would be called Almighty.
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Neat. Except we don't wear those weird box thingies.

If I were to rate the Koran against the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon and the writing styles, I would have to rate the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon as sounding more biblical.
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And your point is...?

That's like saying, 'If I were to rate a pear and a tangerine against a clementine, I'd have to rate the tangerine as being more orange'

I personally always thought Muslims were closer to Jews in terms of the religious rituals and everything.
 
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nimrod said:
Both faiths disagree with the scripture that preceded them. Both were started by one man making dubious claims of visions. Neither one fits with the general message given in scripture before them. Neither one agrees with earlier scripture concerning Heaven and what happens to man. Both agree on marriage in Heaven when earlier scripture speaks plainly against it. Neither one agrees that Jesus is God in spite of Old Testament scripture saying Jesus would be called Almighty.

If I were to rate the Koran against the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon and the writing styles, I would have to rate the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon as sounding more biblical.

If you were to make an argument to an unbeliever in favor of Islam over Mormonism (not the exact correct term, but close enough) what would it be?

Show me why I should give Muhammad any more weight than Joseph Smith.

Thanks
Nimrod
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Where is Jesus PBUH prophecised in the OT? I think you'll find Islam is extremely similar to teachings of Judaism on oneness of god, belief in Prophets PBUT, Adam/Eve, we believe in heaven/hell, we believe in angels

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, but what is a Mormon?
 
Also i'd like to add that we don't know all the things the previous prophets preached. we believe the Bible is no longer the same as the original scripture, there have been mistranslations, scintific errors, contradictions, and even mathematrical errors. We don't for a second believe God could do any of these, and it is clear in the Qur'an where it is clear of any kind of error. Thus we believe the later generations after Jesus and Moses PBUT changed the scriptures, so a few things may be found different. However there are still a lot of similarities
 
nimrod said:
Both faiths disagree with the scripture that preceded them. Both were started by one man making dubious claims of visions. Neither one fits with the general message given in scripture before them. Neither one agrees with earlier scripture concerning Heaven and what happens to man. Both agree on marriage in Heaven when earlier scripture speaks plainly against it. Neither one agrees that Jesus is God in spite of Old Testament scripture saying Jesus would be called Almighty.

If I were to rate the Koran against the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon and the writing styles, I would have to rate the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon as sounding more biblical.

If you were to make an argument to an unbeliever in favor of Islam over Mormonism (not the exact correct term, but close enough) what would it be?

Show me why I should give Muhammad any more weight than Joseph Smith.

Thanks
Nimrod
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I've often wondered this myself. I've posted in other threads that my maternal family was originally mormon (most of the current generations converted to other forms of Christianity).

Both Morman and Islam have a prophet after Jesus. They both accept(ed) polygamy. Perhaps since the mormon prophet, Joseph Smith was from America, it is more "accepted" or "understood" by the majority of Americans. It is a lot to think about.....

Personally, I tend to have more interest in Islam. Perhaps it's because it is an older, and larger religion. From what I know about Islam, it seems that they have maintained their original teachings better than the mormons. There's goodness in both religions.
 
Moss said:
Where is Jesus PBUH prophecised in the OT? I think you'll find Islam is extremely similar to teachings of Judaism on oneness of god, belief in Prophets PBUT, Adam/Eve, we believe in heaven/hell, we believe in angels

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, but what is a Mormon?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon

In a nutshell, Mormons are members of the Church of Latter Day Saints. They believe that God sent an American prophet, Joseph Smith, who wrote the Book of Mormon. This denomination uses the old testament, new testament, and Book of Mormon. The denomination was formed I believe in the early 1800's, and the followers of Joseph Smith eventually migrated to Utah. They pretty much secluded themselves in Utah because they had beliefs which were not accepted by the majority of Christians during the 1800's. The main belief which was opposed by a lot of state governments in the USA was polygamy. However, they held onto the notion that polygamy was accepted by God, and continued to live polygamist lifestyles.

However, they eventually relented to the US governments opposition to polygamy, and officially took a stance that they did not agree with the practice. It is still practiced today on a lesser scale by those who separate themselves from the Church of Latter Day Saints, and stick to old time Mormon practices. However, it is also worth noting that many people actively involved in the Church of Latter Day Saints still privately practice polygamy, while denouncing it publically. They pretty much keep their second or third wife, and their families as "kept women".

They tend to have very large families, live very strict and moral lives, and prepare for disasters by stockpiling food, and ammo.
 
Muezzin said:
Neat. Except we don't wear those weird box thingies.


And your point is...?

That's like saying, 'If I were to rate a pear and a tangerine against a clementine, I'd have to rate the tangerine as being more orange'

I personally always thought Muslims were closer to Jews in terms of the religious rituals and everything.
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Lol, I have to agree.:sister:
 
dont know if it is the same sect., but i watched a documentry on CBC The National or W-Five, that a Christian sect. in States have a living prophet, they have their own huge county, protected and patrolled by gaurds. Childeren do not go to school there, the men have dozens of wives, homo-sexuality is somewhat accepted, there is no justice for women, etc... Even though the Gov't knows about it - they have taken very less action against this person.
 
so they have more prophets? I hought the dude he started this sect would be their final prophet? If not, thne it differs from Islam massively. I think we need to look at the finer details to see how different Islam is from mormonism.
 
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so they have more prophets? I hought the dude he started this sect would be their final prophet? If not, thne it differs from Islam massively. I think we need to look at the finer details to see how different Islam is from mormonism.
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i am not saying its mormoism - but its one of the christanity sect, it could be mormonism.
 
itsme01 said:
dont know if it is the same sect., but i watched a documentry on CBC The National or W-Five, that a Christian sect. in States have a living prophet, they have their own huge county, protected and patrolled by gaurds. Childeren do not go to school there, the men have dozens of wives, homo-sexuality is somewhat accepted, there is no justice for women, etc... Even though the Gov't knows about it - they have taken very less action against this person.
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No, this isn't Latter Day Saints. It may be some offshoot of mormons who have no affiliation with the official religion.
 
Hey.

I dont understand why marriage is hated so much within christianity.

Its like, all the pious people within the society (eg. priests, nuns, monks etc.) all can't get married, whereas all the less pious people can get married. Which means, only the less pious get offspring, which probably leads to their children not being that pious either.


This is one of the reasons why there are alot of reports of peadophile priests etc. And their actually turning to sin, because they can't do what their body is inclined to do. i.e. have a partner (in marriage), start a family, have children etc.


Whereas islam believes that all people should marry because it protects people from adultery/fornication, it keeps a person chaste from other types of sins (e.g homosexuality, peaodophile acts etc.) And it is a good way of remaining chaste, passing down the message to ones children, starting a family etc.

And among His signs is this, that He has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect. (Qur'an 30:21)


Why did God create Adam and Eve in two genders, if its a sin to have sexual relations? Why didn't God just create all of mankind in one gender?

Alot of stuff like this confuses me.
 
I'm surprised to hear this kind of argument from a Christian.
I mean, where in the Old Testament can we find mention of the word Trinity? Heck, where can we find that word in the New Testament?

If God really is three-in-one, why didn't the Prophets of old mention this?
So I don't think you're the right person to be talking about a lack of harmony between the old and new Scriptures.

Muhammad (may God's peace and blessings be upon him) came to inform the people of the fact that the NT had been tampered with and that we should follow the message of all the prophets, which is monotheism.
 
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Hey.

I dont understand why marriage is hated so much within christianity.

Its like, all the pious people within the society (eg. priests, nuns, monks etc.) all can't get married, whereas all the less pious people can get married. Which means, only the less pious get offspring, which probably leads to their children not being that pious either.


This is one of the reasons why there are alot of reports of peadophile priests etc. And their actually turning to sin, because they can't do what their body is inclined to do. i.e. have a partner (in marriage), start a family, have children etc.


Whereas islam believes that all people should marry because it protects people from adultery/fornication, it keeps a person chaste from other types of sins (e.g homosexuality, peaodophile acts etc.) And it is a good way of remaining chaste, passing down the message to ones children, starting a family etc.

And among His signs is this, that He has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect. (Qur'an 30:21)


Why did God create Adam and Eve in two genders, if its a sin to have sexual relations? Why didn't God just create all of mankind in one gender?

Alot of stuff like this confuses me.
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Christianity as a whole does have an unhealthy view of marriage and sexuality. From what I've read the view seems to have originated from early church organizers. For example, priests were allowed to marry for the longest time, until the catholic church came to the conclusion that they were losing too much property due to inheritance of the offspring. Therefore, they began to forbid priests from marriage. This whole repressive attitude toward marriage and sexuality was passed down throughout the years and made its way into other forms of Christianity. Of course if you can control a persons sexuality, you can control the person.
 
renak said:
Christianity as a whole does have an unhealthy view of marriage and sexuality. From what I've read the view seems to have originated from early church organizers. For example, priests were allowed to marry for the longest time, until the catholic church came to the conclusion that they were losing too much property due to inheritance of the offspring. Therefore, they began to forbid priests from marriage. This whole repressive attitude toward marriage and sexuality was passed down throughout the years and made its way into other forms of Christianity. Of course if you can control a persons sexuality, you can control the person.
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Thanks for explaining the reason behind why its not liked. But I still don't agree with the fact that people should make up their own laws regarding religion.

Like, just because the priests had problems with property and inheritance, it shouldn't be a sin on the rest of the priests who may find it easy to support their children. Unless its something sinful which was ordained by God, or Jesus (peace be upon him) - then it shouldn't be a sin, and men shouldn't have the right to create laws, only God or his prophets.


This is why in islam, we don't follow the whims/desires of other men, but we stick to the authentic two sources for our guidance; the Qur'an (the word of God) and the Sunnah (ways of our beloved Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.)

Our laws can only be derived from them two sources, and no other law is acceptable except through them.


I hope you don't take offense to what i'm saying, its just that its too complicated to follow the ways of people who want to create new laws in religion. How does the person know who to follow? This is why, its important to stick to the main sources that were by God, and His messengers, and no-one else.
 

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