Why Muslim and not Mormon?

[Malsidabym]

i am not saying its mormoism - but its one of the christanity sect, it could be mormonism.

I assure you, this is not a christian sect. This a cult. No christian would accept this as a christian group. Clearly a sick cult.
Also, most christians do not accept the mormon church as a christian church. There are no more prophets to come after the messiah.

 

[nimrod]

Malsidabym "There are no more prophets to come after the messiah".

That isn't correct according to Revelation, at least any generally Christian teachings.

If I misunderstood your intended meaning with your post please overlook me.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[north_malaysian]

Mormons cant drink Coke. so Muslims are better because we can drink loads and loads and loads of coke.kay:

 

[usamuslimah64]

Salam alaykum. ..I will say that briefly, when I was in my late teens I was really searching for something to fill the hole that Christianity wasn't. Thats when I met two elderly female Mormon missionaries..I was immediately attracted to many things the offered me and readily accepted most of the stuff they told me<as I was a teenager, I didn't question much>and I decided to become a Mormon..One the whole it is really a group of people you have to admire. I was an active Mormon for about a year.
Here are some of the things they believe:
Joseph Smith was sent a new book(another testament)called the book of Mormon by an angel supposedly named Moroni.
Jesus Christ came to the Americas.
They believe that some of the people from Israel came to the Americas via a boat thingy and I believe were descendent's of Abraham or something like that.
They say they have this proof because there is a white tribe in South America somewhere(But hey, weren't people from the Semitic background tan skinned?):rollseyes
They believe Jesus came to Americas to share gospel to this tribe cuz they were from Abraham's lineage(he was supposed to have done this after he was crucified and before he ascended)
They believe in several levels of heaven.
they believe that you get married and sealed as a family for all eternity
they believe you can go to the temple(which only Mormons are allowed to enter) and get your ancestors into heaven.
They believe that before we are born we choose who we want to be born with and God puts a veil of forgetfulness up after we are born.
they definitely believe in predestination.

They believe that there is a living prophet until now and that he is in the priest hood(Melchezdik, I think) but I could be off on that one.
Joseph smith supposedly brought back the melchezdik priesthood and after the last prophet dies and new priest is elected and become a prophet.
they are good people on the whole and get people to join mostly on blind ignorance and they especially target the teens cause they are easily swayed and accept most things without question(Like I did):X
I could really go on a long time about what they believe, honestly though, i forgot alot of things. I left them when i finally got a mind and started seriously questioning their doctrine
Wa Salaam , I hope this was a little helpful:sister:

 

[Malsidabym]

Malsidabym "There are no more prophets to come after the messiah".

That isn't correct according to Revelation, at least any generally Christian teachings.

If I misunderstood your intended meaning with your post please overlook me.

Thanks
Nimrod

No you did not misunderstand, I stand corrected, I was just plain wrong. Sorry. For some reason I believed this, but after reading your post and looking in revelations, I see I am wrong. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Peace.

 

[Muezzin]

Muezzin, I can understand why a person might not understand why I made the statement about the Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price sounding more biblical.

The reason I made that statement is in comparing one faith against another a person has to consider what claims a faith makes about its self.
One of the claims I have read on this message board is about the statement/claim that no one can write even one verse that compares to the writings in the Koran.
My statement could have been better stated as the Mormon scriptures more closely resemble the scripture in the Torah than anything in the Koran. Ergo the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price “sound” more biblical.

I see.

Sorry for any confusion.

That's all right, I just jumped to conclusions as usual. No worries.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

If I may quote that font of all religious knowledge, South Park, Joseph Smith gave his "translations" to a follower, whose wife was suspicious and so told him to hide them and tell Smith they had been destroyed and ask for another copy to see if he could "translate" the same way twice. Smith could not. Follower confessed all and remained a Mormon anyway.

Go figure.

So... it's a sham. But saying that, you probably think all religion is a sham.
But hey, at least we both agree it helps with depression.

 

[usamuslimah64]

Salam Alaykum...I went directly to a lds website and here is what i got..



Introduction to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

When Jesus Christ lived on the earth, He organized His Church so that all people could receive His gospel and return one day to live with God, our Heavenly Father. After Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, His Apostles continued to receive revelation from Him on how to direct the work of His Church. However, after they were killed, members changed the teachings of the Church that He had established. While many good people and some truth remained, this Apostasy, or general falling away from the truth, brought about the withdrawal of the Church from the earth. The Apostle Peter prophesied that Jesus would restore His Church before His Second Coming (Acts 3:19–21).
Jesus Christ began to restore His Church in its fulness to the earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1820. It has grown to become a worldwide Church with over 12 million members. It has the same teachings and basic organization as the Church established by Jesus in New Testament times.

 

[usamuslimah64]

Apostasy

A general falling away from the truth occurred after the death of Christ’s Apostles. This is called the Apostasy.
When Jesus Christ lived on the earth, He established His Church. After His Ascension into heaven, His Apostles carried on His work under His direction, through revelation and with His priesthood authority.

After the Apostles and many righteous Church members were killed and other members departed from the truth, the Lord took the priesthood authority and His Church from the earth. Without God’s priesthood authority, the Church no longer functioned as Christ had established it. The ordinances were changed and many plain and simple truths were lost. While many good people and some truth remained, the original Church was lost.

The Apostles prophesied of the falling away or Apostasy. One example is Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3).

 

[usamuslimah64]

Joseph Smith -Their Prophet

Joseph Smith Jr. was born in 1805 in Sharon, Windsor County, Vermont, to Joseph and Lucy Mack Smith. He had 10 brothers and sisters. His parents taught him to pray, read the Bible, and to have faith in God.
At age 14, Joseph saw God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, in his First Vision. At age 17, Joseph began to receive heavenly messengers who prepared him for his role in the Restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ to the earth. He was a prophet, just like those in biblical times

 

[usamuslimah64]

The First Vision

As a boy, Joseph Smith was surrounded by various churches which each claimed to teach the truth. This caused him much serious reflection. He wanted to know which church was right. One day he read a passage in the Bible which says, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him” (James 1:5). Joseph decided to accept the invitation to ask God.
In the spring of 1820, Joseph went to a grove of trees near his home and prayed to learn which church he should join. In answer to his prayer, Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. Joseph wrote: “When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!” Joseph was told to join none of the churches that existed at that time.

Joseph Smith’s First Vision marked the beginning of the Restoration of Jesus Christ’s Church to the earth.

Joseph’s written account of this event is a powerful testimony of what he saw and experienced.

 

[usamuslimah64]

Restoration

The Apostle Peter prophesied of the “restitution of all things” before Christ’s Second Coming (Acts 3:19–21). Having been lost because of the Apostasy, Christ’s Church and His authority were to be restored to the earth. This Restoration would make available the opportunity for all to receive once again all of the blessings of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Joseph Smith’s First Vision marked the beginning of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth. In subsequent years, Christ restored His priesthood and reorganized His Church. He has continued to reveal truths to His prophets and to restore the blessings that were taken from the earth for a time

 

[usamuslimah64]

Restoration of the priesthood

Throughout time, God has given His servants, the prophets, the authority to act in His name. This authority is called the priesthood. Jesus Christ gave the priesthood to His original Twelve Apostles, and they directed the work of His Church after Jesus ascended to heaven. But after the Apostles were killed, the priesthood gradually disappeared from the earth.
In 1829 Joseph Smith received the priesthood authority to organize Christ’s Church. In 1830 the same Church of Jesus Christ that existed centuries ago was organized and restored to the earth.

The priesthood has two divisions. The lesser priesthood is called the Aaronic Priesthood, named after Aaron in the Old Testament. It includes the authority to preach the gospel of repentance and to baptize. The greater priesthood is called the Melchizedek Priesthood, named after Melchizedek in the Old Testament. It includes the authority to preside over the Church and to perform all ordinances, including giving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[usamuslimah64]

Salam alaykum...Remember earlier I was talking about Mormons believing that Issa came to america? Here is some proofs.

Book of Mormon witnesses of Christ

Just as the Bible contains witnesses of Jesus Christ from the Holy Land, the Book of Mormon contains witnesses of Jesus Christ from ancient America. For this reason, the Book of Mormon is called “Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”
Here are some examples of Book of Mormon witnesses of Christ:

Nephi saw the birth and death of Christ in a vision (1 Nephi 11:13–15).
The brother of Jared saw the Lord because of his great faith (Ether 3:7–16).
The prophet Samuel the Lamanite prophesied of Christ’s coming and gave the signs of His birth and death (Helaman 13-14).
After His Resurrection, Christ appeared to the people of ancient America and invited them to come forward one by one to see and touch Him until “they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves” (3 Nephi 11:13–17).



Christ’s visit in America

In the Bible, Jesus told His Apostles:

Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. [John 10:16]
Soon after He was resurrected, the Lord visited these “other sheep”—the inhabitants of ancient America. His appearance had a powerful, long-lasting impact on the people. During His visit, Jesus Christ:

Invited them to feel the wound marks in His hands and feet and side.
Taught them His gospel.
Called twelve disciples to teach His gospel.
Healed the sick.
Prayed for the people.
Performed miracles.
Christ’s visit to ancient America is recorded in the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (3 Nephi 11-28).





Moroni’s promise

The last prophet of the Book of Mormon, a man named Moroni, gave this remarkable promise to anyone who wants to know whether the Book of Mormon is true:

And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. [Moroni 10:4]
As you sincerely ask for an answer to your questions about the Book of Mormon, God will answer you through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Moroni was supposed to be the LASt Prophet for the book of mormon

 

[usamuslimah64]

Blessings for our ancestors

Many people have died without receiving baptism and other ordinances that Jesus Christ taught were necessary to enter the kingdom of God (John 3:5). Because Heavenly Father wants all His children to have the opportunity to return to Him, He has provided a way for those who have died without these ordinances to receive them.
In holy temples, members of the Church can perform these ordinances on behalf of their ancestors who have died.

This makes it possible for those who have not received these ordinances to accept them, if they choose, and return to live one day with our Heavenly Father.


This is where i was talking about how they believe you can pray dead into heaven

 

[usamuslimah64]

Living prophets

Throughout history, God has chosen prophets, such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others, to teach the gospel and direct His Church (Amos 3:7). It is no different today. We all need God’s guidance in a world that is sometimes confusing. Because God loves His children, He continues to send living prophets. Joseph Smith (1805–44) was the first prophet of our time. Gordon B. Hinckley is God’s chosen prophet today.
Just as God led the Israelites out of slavery and to a better place through His prophet Moses, He leads His children today into happier, more peaceful lives when they choose to follow His living prophet. We invite you to listen to the words of living prophets and consider how knowing God’s will can benefit your life.

 

[usamuslimah64]

This is another book they believe in..the Book of Mormon



Living prophets

Throughout history, God has chosen prophets, such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others, to teach the gospel and direct His Church (Amos 3:7). It is no different today. We all need God’s guidance in a world that is sometimes confusing. Because God loves His children, He continues to send living prophets. Joseph Smith (1805–44) was the first prophet of our time. Gordon B. Hinckley is God’s chosen prophet today.
Just as God led the Israelites out of slavery and to a better place through His prophet Moses, He leads His children today into happier, more peaceful lives when they choose to follow His living prophet. We invite you to listen to the words of living prophets and consider how knowing God’s will can benefit your life.



I wish to remind everyone that, alhumdillah, I am Muslim and do not believe in this..I am just informing everyone.

 

[usamuslimah64]

The Book of Mormon

The Book of Mormon is another witness that Jesus Christ really lived, that He was and is God’s Son. It contains the writings of ancient prophets. One of these, Lehi, lived in Jerusalem around 600 B.C. God commanded Lehi to lead a small group of people to the American continent. There they became a great civilization.
God continued to call prophets among these people. The Book of Mormon is a collection of the writings of their prophets and record keepers. It is named after Mormon, one of the last of these ancient prophets.

These prophets knew about Heavenly Father’s plan for His children and the mission of Jesus Christ. They recorded that Christ appeared, after His Resurrection, to the people in America, taught them His gospel, and formed His Church among them. The book contains the teachings of Jesus Christ, testifying of His Atonement and His love. It supports and verifies the Bible.

The Book of Mormon concludes with a great promise that those who read it and sincerely pray about it can know by the Holy Ghost that it is true (Moroni 10:4).

 

[usamuslimah64]

History of North American people: The Jaredite people were one of many groups scattered from the Tower of Babel circa 2250 BCE. They settled on the East coast of Central America. They were totally destroyed because of their corruption.
Some Israelites departed from the Middle East about 600 BCE, before the time of the Babylonian captivity and arrived in America. A patriarch Lehi had two sons: Nephi (from whom the Nephites descended) and Laman (from whom the Lamanites descended). The two tribes lived in a state of continuous feuding and warfare. The earthen mounds throughout the Palmyra area are believed to be attempts at defensive fortification. Eventually, the Lamanites exterminated all of the Nephites circa 385 CE, and became the ancestors of present day Native Americans. God gave to Native Americans their "red skins" in order to visually separate them from those who continued to follow God's commandments and teachings.
Jesus came to America after his resurrection where he performed miracles, delivered a sermon similar to the Beatitudes and selected twelve disciples from the Nephite tribe.

 

[HeiGou]

So... it's a sham. But saying that, you probably think all religion is a sham.

I am pretty sure I don't think it is all a sham. Of course if I were a believer I would have to believe that 99.99 percent of the world's religions were a sham. But I am not. So the problem of dealing with the truth of a religion (or not) is a problem we both face. I think that you cannot assume that everyone all the time is faking it. I am suspicious of Joseph Smith I have to say. But that still leaves hundreds and thousands of would-be or actual religious preachers, reformers, want-to-be prophets etc. Do you just do a proof by authority (whatever my teachers tell me is fake, is fake) or do you have some sort of measurement or test by which you separate the sheep from the goats?

But hey, at least we both agree it helps with depression.

Hmm, well, of all my observant pious friends, well, a lot of them have been very seriously depressed. And pretty much all of them have spent time in hospitals for their problems. Does it help or does it cause? I wonder. I would like to think it helps but I don't know what the evidence is.