Why North Korea wants nuclear weapons
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America has never been "strategically patient" with North Korea, and to put it like that is to imply that America has held back from action out of some kind of benevolent attempt at coexistence. That's -------s. America's "patience" is entirely due to the fact that North Korea has the ability to inflict massive carnage on South Korea.
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I am wondering why China is so patient with North Korea. Do they know something about it what media doesn´t write?
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I liked Putin´s comments about the North Korea situation.
Sanctions will never make North Korea give up its nuclear programme, warns Putin
“The use of any kind of sanctions in this situation is already useless and ineffective,” Mr Putin said. “They will eat grass but they won't give up (the nuclear) programme if they don't feel safe.”
Mr Putin pushed back against this “military hysteria” as the way to a “global planetary catastrophe,” calling instead for a renewal of dialogue without any “threat of (North Korea's) destruction”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...arheads-conducts-live-fire-navy-drills-north/
That made sense to me. I think that China and Russia have more knowledge in this situation than the West has. They are like "speaking the same language" with the North Korea.
Sanctions will never make North Korea give up its nuclear programme, warns Putin
“The use of any kind of sanctions in this situation is already useless and ineffective,” Mr Putin said. “They will eat grass but they won't give up (the nuclear) programme if they don't feel safe.”
Mr Putin pushed back against this “military hysteria” as the way to a “global planetary catastrophe,” calling instead for a renewal of dialogue without any “threat of (North Korea's) destruction”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...arheads-conducts-live-fire-navy-drills-north/
That made sense to me. I think that China and Russia have more knowledge in this situation than the West has. They are like "speaking the same language" with the North Korea.
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I think they both are lunatic states.
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I've been watching the developing crisis since the start of this year. It's unbelievable, they're both acting like deranged toddlers.
Nobody wants things to turn sour with two powerful nations, each with a powerful arsenal of weapons. The problem is, that the US is treating this clumsily and they're not heeding the warnings of Russia or China.
The worst thing they could do is to give North Korea a reason to not have any dialogue with them and retreat into itself. Which is kinda what's happening.
Nobody wants things to turn sour with two powerful nations, each with a powerful arsenal of weapons. The problem is, that the US is treating this clumsily and they're not heeding the warnings of Russia or China.
The worst thing they could do is to give North Korea a reason to not have any dialogue with them and retreat into itself. Which is kinda what's happening.
I think its a similar situation to that of iraq under saddam hussain.
...a lot of showboating..
Unfortunately america probably spends more on defence than n.k. does on food.
And if thats the case, then wmd's are a disproportionate threat.
Although n.k. has russia and china as allies.
I dont think it will play out that way anyway.. america knows what its doing.
They probably think about the stuff all day long.
They probably have americans pretending to be Russians pretending to be americans..in russia..
That are actually just internet trolls.
..n.k. doesnt even have internet.
...a lot of showboating..
Unfortunately america probably spends more on defence than n.k. does on food.
And if thats the case, then wmd's are a disproportionate threat.
Although n.k. has russia and china as allies.
I dont think it will play out that way anyway.. america knows what its doing.
They probably think about the stuff all day long.
They probably have americans pretending to be Russians pretending to be americans..in russia..
That are actually just internet trolls.
..n.k. doesnt even have internet.
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Thats the point USA is deliberately trying to box in the North Koreans, forcing them to do something that could ignite a war.
Whatever you think of the North Korean regime, the USA is egging on this conflict.
Thats the point USA is deliberately trying to box in the North Koreans, forcing them to do something that could ignite a war.
Whatever you think of the North Korean regime, the USA is egging on this conflict.
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America should face off with Israel first since everyone knows that America shares a direct responsibility for Israel's crimes through propping up it's artificial regime which would topple under natural conditions, and everyone knows that Israel has been - with usa backing - holding weapons of mass destruction including but not limited to chemical and incendiary chemical, and that Israel has been firing illegal expanding bullets into children.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ng-palestinian-teenagers-170911085127509.html
https://www.vice.com/sv/article/nnm...-allegedly-committing-war-crimes-in-palestine
That's aside from the fact that American illegal wars and war crimes have been "trumping" the global scene for almost the past century.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ng-palestinian-teenagers-170911085127509.html
https://www.vice.com/sv/article/nnm...-allegedly-committing-war-crimes-in-palestine
That's aside from the fact that American illegal wars and war crimes have been "trumping" the global scene for almost the past century.
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Salaam
Another update
Barsamian: What are the strategic issues where Korea is concerned? Can anything be done to defuse the growing conflict?
Chomsky: Korea has been a festering problem since the end of World War II, when the hopes of Koreans for unification of the peninsula were blocked by the intervention of the great powers, the United States bearing primary responsibility.
The North Korean dictatorship may well win the prize for brutality and repression, but it is seeking and to some extent carrying out economic development, despite the overwhelming burden of a huge military system. That system includes, of course, a growing arsenal of nuclear weapons and missiles, which pose a threat to the region and, in the longer term, to countries beyond — but its function is to be a deterrent, one that the North Korean regime is unlikely to abandon as long as it remains under threat of destruction.
Today, we are instructed that the great challenge faced by the world is how to compel North Korea to freeze these nuclear and missile programs. Perhaps we should resort to more sanctions, cyberwar, intimidation; to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system, which China regards as a serious threat to its own interests; perhaps even to direct attack on North Korea — which, it is understood, would elicit retaliation by massed artillery, devastating Seoul and much of South Korea even without the use of nuclear weapons.
But there is another option, one that seems to be ignored: we could simply accept North Korea’s offer to do what we are demanding. China and North Korea have already proposed that North Korea freeze its nuclear and missile programs. The proposal, though, was rejected at once by Washington, just as it had been two years earlier, because it includes a quid pro quo: it calls on the United States to halt its threatening military exercises on North Korea’s borders, including simulated nuclear-bombing attacks by B-52s.
The Chinese-North Korean proposal is hardly unreasonable. North Koreans remember well that their country was literally flattened by U.S. bombing, and many may recall how U.S. forces bombed major dams when there were no other targets left. There were gleeful reports in American military publications about the exciting spectacle of a huge flood of water wiping out the rice crops on which “the Asian” depends for survival. They are very much worth reading, a useful part of historical memory.
The offer to freeze North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs in return for an end to highly provocative actions on North Korea’s border could be the basis for more far-reaching negotiations, which could radically reduce the nuclear threat and perhaps even bring the North Korea crisis to an end. Contrary to much inflamed commentary, there are good reasons to think such negotiations might succeed. Yet even though the North Korean programs are constantly described as perhaps the greatest threat we face, the Chinese-North Korean proposal is unacceptable to Washington, and is rejected by U.S. commentators with impressive unanimity. This is another entry in the shameful and depressing record of near-reflexive preference for force when peaceful options may well be available.
The 2017 South Korean elections may offer a ray of hope. Newly elected President Moon Jae-in seems intent on reversing the harsh confrontationist policies of his predecessor. He has called for exploring diplomatic options and taking steps toward reconciliation, which is surely an improvement over the angry fist-waving that might lead to real disaster.
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-trump-presidency/
Another update
Barsamian: What are the strategic issues where Korea is concerned? Can anything be done to defuse the growing conflict?
Chomsky: Korea has been a festering problem since the end of World War II, when the hopes of Koreans for unification of the peninsula were blocked by the intervention of the great powers, the United States bearing primary responsibility.
The North Korean dictatorship may well win the prize for brutality and repression, but it is seeking and to some extent carrying out economic development, despite the overwhelming burden of a huge military system. That system includes, of course, a growing arsenal of nuclear weapons and missiles, which pose a threat to the region and, in the longer term, to countries beyond — but its function is to be a deterrent, one that the North Korean regime is unlikely to abandon as long as it remains under threat of destruction.
Today, we are instructed that the great challenge faced by the world is how to compel North Korea to freeze these nuclear and missile programs. Perhaps we should resort to more sanctions, cyberwar, intimidation; to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system, which China regards as a serious threat to its own interests; perhaps even to direct attack on North Korea — which, it is understood, would elicit retaliation by massed artillery, devastating Seoul and much of South Korea even without the use of nuclear weapons.
But there is another option, one that seems to be ignored: we could simply accept North Korea’s offer to do what we are demanding. China and North Korea have already proposed that North Korea freeze its nuclear and missile programs. The proposal, though, was rejected at once by Washington, just as it had been two years earlier, because it includes a quid pro quo: it calls on the United States to halt its threatening military exercises on North Korea’s borders, including simulated nuclear-bombing attacks by B-52s.
The Chinese-North Korean proposal is hardly unreasonable. North Koreans remember well that their country was literally flattened by U.S. bombing, and many may recall how U.S. forces bombed major dams when there were no other targets left. There were gleeful reports in American military publications about the exciting spectacle of a huge flood of water wiping out the rice crops on which “the Asian” depends for survival. They are very much worth reading, a useful part of historical memory.
The offer to freeze North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs in return for an end to highly provocative actions on North Korea’s border could be the basis for more far-reaching negotiations, which could radically reduce the nuclear threat and perhaps even bring the North Korea crisis to an end. Contrary to much inflamed commentary, there are good reasons to think such negotiations might succeed. Yet even though the North Korean programs are constantly described as perhaps the greatest threat we face, the Chinese-North Korean proposal is unacceptable to Washington, and is rejected by U.S. commentators with impressive unanimity. This is another entry in the shameful and depressing record of near-reflexive preference for force when peaceful options may well be available.
The 2017 South Korean elections may offer a ray of hope. Newly elected President Moon Jae-in seems intent on reversing the harsh confrontationist policies of his predecessor. He has called for exploring diplomatic options and taking steps toward reconciliation, which is surely an improvement over the angry fist-waving that might lead to real disaster.
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-trump-presidency/