Why not islam?

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hello for the non-muslims

i thought to post as anonymous....but like bro woodrow say...i can't even spell it. So i can't even create the account itself :-[

but i really like to know your own opinion....

1.what do you think of islam?

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.

Thank you in advance for your reply.
 
Assalmualikum Warhmathullahi Warbarakathuhu

aww Ukthi don't worry speak aloud best thing :)

as this is for "non-muslims" am out inshallah

Ma'assalama
 
i thought to post as anonymous....but like bro woodrow say...i can't even spell it.
:D


but i really like to know your own opinion....

1.what do you think of islam?


I think it is the most mature (in terms of theological development), consistent and indeed plausible of the monotheistic religions. People who follow the teachings of Islam (not the distorted versions of it) will be good and happy people and you can't ask much more than that of a religion.


2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

I don't believe in God, or at least a personal God in the Judeo/Christian/Islamic sense. I could write for a week on why, but the main reasons are;

- I have spiritual beliefs that I find both more logical and spiritually satisfying (including a limited element of direct experience) than Islam which require no God, if not necessarily actually excluding the existence of one or more of them.

- The 'problem of evil'. I simply do not believe that a God with the properties ascribed to Him would create the world as it is. I've seen all the responses, and find none even remotely convincing.


3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

No, or at least what there are are probably cultural objections rather than purely religious ones. It's hard to say, really, when there is often little consistency within Islam. For example both the Taliban and current Iranian regimes were/are considered suitably 'Islamic', but their attitudes to women, particularly regarding education, seem to come from different planets, let alone Qur'anic and Hadith interpretations. I think the Taliban position on that issue is both barbaric and utterly mindless - how can you completely waste the potential of one half of your population? - while that of Iran is an example to the rest of the world. How, according to Islam, can they both be right?
 
1. To be frank, as a religion I have a high opinion of it, as an ideology I have a negative opinion of it. I would prefer to leave it at that.

2. I cannot and will not be a Muslim because I do not believe Muhammad was a prophet of God. That isn't intended to insult anyone or attack anything, it is simply my belief.

3. As for rulings in Islam, I'm afraid I don't follow Islamic rulings closely enough to have any particular problem there.

None of this is to say I don't respect Islam, because I do. However, the question was a fairly direct question, and there is no need to beat around the bush about my personal reasons for not being a Muslim.
 
hello for the non-muslims

i thought to post as anonymous....but like bro woodrow say...i can't even spell it. So i can't even create the account itself :-[

but i really like to know your own opinion....
Hey, sister. Don't be shy to ask. No need to go anonymous! :)

1.what do you think of islam?
I have developed a great respect for my Muslim brothers and sisters, as I have learned about the level of devotion and commitment they have for God. I see how they strive to please and serve God by obeying his laws.

I believe Islam teaches peace and tolerance (despite some people managing to paint a different picture!), and that much of it's teachings is beneficial for healthy and wholesome living.

I see Muslims who take their desire and their commitment to serve and please God more seriously than many Christians I know.
Surrounding myself with Muslims has made me check how I myself stand with God and has made me more sincere in my own faith.

But with all the beauty and wisdom I see in Islam, I believe that it misses the true nature of God. It does neither recognise nor understand the expression of God's love for us in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's a terrible loss to all who follow Islam, because God's grace and love for us is so much greater than Muslims realise! :cry:
(Just my own view, of course)

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?
Because I am assured of Jesus' divinity, and I could never deny it.
This Bible verse speaks reflects my feelings about this very well:

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

You know, several Muslims in this forum have commented at one time or another about 'how much like a Muslim I sound', and have asked 'whether I did not want to consider Islam'.
I cannot - for the reasons given above.
My salvation comes through Jesus Christ, and nobody else ... and that will never change.

(I would like to ask other members to demonstrate their respect for my beliefs by neither questioning nor criticising what I have posted here. This is a profession of my beliefs, and I am not willing to debate it here.)


3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?
None that spring to mind at the moment.

Thank you for asking these questions, Syilla. I am sure that this will be an interesting thread.
I am looking forward to the replies of others. :)

Peace
 
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hello for the non-muslims

Greetings and salutations to you.

1.what do you think of islam?

I think it's a fairly consistent example of the monotheistic belief system. Muslims themselves are usually devoted to their religion in a way that is exceptional in the world. On the down side, Islam doesn't seem to me to be particularly receptive to new ideas, and it actively discourages independent thought.

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

Because I don't believe Islam is true - simple as that.

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

The belief in:

- an all-powerful deity who nevertheless allows suffering and evil,
- who is perfect in every way and yet whose creation shows evidence of sub-optimal design,
- who is omnibenevolent but imprisons those who disagree with him in everlasting torture,
- and who demands constant applause and slavery from all of humanity forever

has always seemed to me to be a clear example of the human imagination working overtime rather than a description of something real.

That's the most important of many areas where I disagree wih Islamic thinking.

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.

Me too!

Thank you for asking.

Peace
 
Glo, I just wanted to tell you that Muslims DO understand how gracious and merciful and loving God is towards us. This is very obvious. Every single sura (but 1) in the Qur'an begins with "In the name of Allah, most gracious most merciful". We just don't believe that God manifests himself as a lesser human being and then kills himself to save us. But that's another story lol. Just wanted to say that.

And to Mr. Trumble, I just can't comprehend how someone can look at anything that exists within our planet like a car or a watch and automatically think that it has a creator/designer, but when they look at this entire vast universe and the planets and galaxies and stars within it, it has no creator/designer. That's...fascinating.
 
hello for the non-muslims

1.what do you think of islam?

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

Shamjind
I like you topic,

1 Halisamal The religion of Islam can be originated from adam, texts of men and from the hasjid (the non or being) and can come mabey further from man jadasin. Today muslims have conformed and fit more into societys other then there hasindjana(from were the origins of islam have come. Islam can cover all ranges of everything in the world from God to paper to people and issues ideas, not just the mana or the way of islam. Islam can cover all things. As for the followings I see that many people follow diffrent traditions in islam . It is choice I find it some what enlightening.

2 I was raised catholic but have chosen many more diffrent choices, not eating meats, not cutting or combing my hairs wanting to live a more peaceful simple life not wanting to have many things like computers tv much food a big house(i live with my parents now) mahnjin'. I have chosen ways of Isalm so being muslim is a part of a person, I have read quran but I do not read much quran or bible beauce of it taking from trees and paper. but the tradition of Adam Mahnsin before expelling from eden and being a mahnsin eah in the will of God and following is what I do.

3 I agree with some ethics like fasting, women being more traditional, respecting God and the earth.
I disagree with reading quran because of the paper issue; lahdin ( the tablets of Moses and inpiration of God is ok with me.

{Covering up and clothing, beating your wife, eating anything} Thease I can disagree with because God does not eat and does not clothe but allows for us to do so.

Manaharahminj
 
hello for the non-muslims

i thought to post as anonymous....but like bro woodrow say...i can't even spell it. So i can't even create the account itself :-[

but i really like to know your own opinion....

1.what do you think of islam?
i like the fact that it is a whole way of life and the fact that it believes in one god. i also like the fact that learning is encouraged and admired.


2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?
because i don't like religion and don't feel a need for one in order to worship god.

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?
mainly - the fact that it claims to be The One True Religion (i don't believe in such a thing) and the fact that it proselytizes.

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.

no worry!
 
And to Mr. Trumble, I just can't comprehend how someone can look at anything that exists within our planet like a car or a watch and automatically think that it has a creator/designer, but when they look at this entire vast universe and the planets and galaxies and stars within it, it has no creator/designer. That's...fascinating.

I think you have misunderstood me.

I said

The 'problem of evil'. I simply do not believe that a God with the properties ascribed to Him would create the world as it is. I've seen all the responses, and find none even remotely convincing

On this context, why I am not a muslim, it is not the creation of the universe that concerns me. It's this planet that we live on, now, and throughout the history of humanity; not the wonders of the cosmos but the kid in Mogadishu screaming her head off because a bomb has just blown her leg off. Starvation, pain, war, misery, suffering. To me it is simply absurd that a perfectly benign and omnipotent being could create such a thing, that by definition, he must have chosen that those things should exist. It is absurd that his 'perfect' creation could be something as unpleasant and destructive as mankind has a tendency to be. As I said, I've seen all the arguments as to why God might do that and find them totally unconvincing, if not just (IMVHO) plain nonsense.
 
i thought to post as anonymous....
I was also thinking about replying to you as anonymous :giggling:
1.what do you think of islam?
I have respect for it, and i think there is a kind of "magic" in it. but it's hard to name what exactly it is...
2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?
I don't believe Muhammad was a prophet. I don't believe Quran is God's word.
oh...and I believe in Jesus Christ - Word of God...so you see - it would be quite hard for me to be a Muslim :D

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?
concept of war and possition of women. probably I feel "uncomfortable" with whole "legal" aspect of Islam :-[

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.
it is my turn to hope I didn't offend you :phew
 
1.what do you think of islam?
I think it is a religion with some good ideas. I feel that the expectations that are put on followers (not necessarily by islam but by the interpretation of it) puts an unreasonable amount of pressure on some, causing hypocrisy, lying and anger. While others appear to be genuinely happy.
2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?
I don't believe that it is correct or that Muhammud was a prophet.
3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?
No particular one that comes to mind right now. Just the idea of blind following to the point of closed-mindedness that no other opinion is even heard. This is not evident in all muslims, so I think it may just be in the way that some interpret the teachings.
 
Thanks for the question syllia :).

1.what do you think of islam?

Well, I have mixed feelings I must admit. On the bright side, theologically I think Islam pretty much has its act together. It is a lot more convincing than Christianity on the validity of its scriptures for example. It also seems much more rational than Christianity, desiring to strengthen its foundations with facts.

But perhaps that has a flip side. I must say Islam feels like fairly cold and legalistic religion, which seems spiritually weak. It's almost as if the rules outweigh the principles and the message. When I listen to Christians I hear nothing but 'love, love, love, love'. When I listen to Muslims it seems they talk most about doing A when confronted with B, like if its allowed to pop a pimple during Ramadan ;) :D. I get a feeling that there is a lot of "letter of the law" prevailing over the spirit of it. I'm sure you will disagree, but that is very much the impression I get to be honest.

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

Because I don't feel God at the moment, nor do the rational arguments in favor of it appear very convincing. Especially the Christian/Jewish/Muslim concept of God seems unsatisfactory. Islam is an attractive religion in some ways though, for example the strong sense of brotherhood. But like I said, the concept of God behind it does not make sense. The problem of evil gets no real answer and the God as it is portrayed often seems vain, threatening and hostile. These are not qualities I respect in humans so I have trouble identifying with such a God.

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

It depends. Islam is not monolithic of course, and no doubt the overwhelming majority of its rulings make sense. But sometimes when I browse islam-qa.com I see the weirdest things. Let me make a small selection:

Example #1:
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=13730&ln=eng&txt=funeral church
Question: Is it permissible for a Muslim to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim friend if it is in the church, as a sign of respect for the deceased?

Answer: It is not permissible for the Muslim to attend the funeral of a kaafir or to enter their churches, even if that is a sign of respect etc, because attending the funeral is a way of showing love and respect, and it is not permissibl to show that towards a kaafir, according to the correct view. Moreover the questioner says, “to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim friend” – but it is not permissible for a Muslim to take a kaafir as a friend, because Allaah has commanded us to regard them as enemies, to shun them and to keep away from them.

With all due respect. But this just makes me feel sick. It's just vile hate speech. Luckily they are differences of opinion on stuff like this, but that it is even required to debate it within Islam makes me want to cry. Muslims sometime talk about non-Muslims as if they are beasts and subhumans. I can't even begin to imagine the amount of damage this view has done to dawah activities by sincere and more moderate Muslims.

Example #2
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=10382&ln=eng&txt=concubines
Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife

Answer: Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married. [...] A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage. [...] The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.

The fact that there are actually people out there that seem to think Islam teaches that:
1. Taking non-Muslim female civilians as slaves during war is normal
2. It's okay to use them for sex

Again, I know there are other Muslims who think there is no such consensus and that slavery is frowned upon by God. But again, that this even has to be debated is mind boggling. I know Muslims don't go around taking slaves, but that this is supposedly God's ruling according to these learned scholars of Islam is something that makes me doubt it can be the word of God.

Example 3: (last, but not least!)
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=377&ln=eng&txt=dog
Ruling on having a dog

Answer: Dogs are extremely naajis (impure, unclean).[...] Whoever keeps a dog in his house is denied the blessing of the angels [...] Keeping dogs nowadays is the habit of the kuffaar, who adopt them as friends, kiss them, let them lick them and their clothes, sleep with them and even leave them money in their wills. Keeping a dog is an imitation of the kuffaar.

I show this one as an example of the legalistic nature of Islam. You are denied blessing because you have a dog? The Islamic God judges people on whether you have a dog? It just doesn't make sense. God must judge purely on whether we do good or evil, whether we help others. That there even needs to be a ruling on things like this seems absurd to be honest. Besides, dogs can be such gentle and caring creatures. To hate them as much as the Quran does seems so, well, ungodly. Sounds more like whoever wrote on them being unclean must have been bitten by one at some point :).

Anyway, I hope I didn't offend anyone (I probably did though, for which I apologize :(). But you asked 'why not', which kinda means I must sum up the negative. But at least this way you get some insight in the mind of a non-Muslim like me. It might help you when you are ever required to do dawah :).

I hope I don't get banned :-[
 
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Well, there are several cat threads going at the moment, so perhaps cats are permitted ...
After all they keep mice and rats a bay, and therefore prevent infestations and the spreading of disease.
 

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