Why not islam?

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Anyone who wants to attack islaam, please leave the forum. We not forcing it upon you and this thread isn't created for that purpose.


Peace.
 
I wasn't saying it to you Jayda [sorry if it caused offence], just referring to trumble mainly who's post i deleted.


You can refer to this link for the misconception regarding the word awliya here;

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_d...ection=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions#19



Peace.

gracias! this is what i meant, this is what janissary told me... im sorry i did not remember very well...

so does this mean that the person who said that other thing about not going to non muslims funerals and not being their friends is wrong?
 
I wasn't saying it to you Jayda
I am glad you clarified that, Fi_Sabilillah. :)

I sense that some of us feel apprehensive about expressing any views about Islam which may be perceived as negative ... :X

I am glad that we are able and encouraged to do so (within forum rules).

Peace
 
that is how i feel glo

i start lots of fights here when i do not mean to... so i am very jumpy... i must drive the mods insane (i am so sorry) because like half of everything i write i ask to be deleted...

i do not always know when my posts will start arguments otherwise i would not post them at all...

gracias
 
Hi glo.


The reason why i deleted the previous post was because the person was acting sarcastic on purpose [and this person wasn't Jayda.] So i deleted it.


Jayda, if the scholar is saying that it's not permissible for us to go to a non muslim funeral, then if he has evidence from the Qur'an or authentic Sunnah to prove that, we believe it. However, i'll quote what the word awliya means from the link i posted before:


It becomes clear that the word Awliya cannot be taken as simply referring to friendship, as it contains a much more complex meaning, including dependence and guardianship. Therefore, a more accurate translation of the verse would be:
5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your protectors: They are but protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.




 
I am glad you clarified that, Fi_Sabilillah. :)

I sense that some of us feel apprehensive about expressing any views about Islam which may be perceived as negative ... :X

I am glad that we are able and encouraged to do so (within forum rules).

Peace

While this holds true for some mods that truly are fair (example:Woodrow), there are others (not mentioning any names) that have deleted posts of mine and others, that were honest answers to questions. The answer may not be exactly what they want to hear, but within forum rules. And as Jayda says, it makes you jumpy and reluctant to want to tell the truth.

This relates to the topic of this thread in that, it contributes to ones over all experience with islam and it's followers, and directly contributed to one of my answers.
 
that is how i feel glo

i start lots of fights here when i do not mean to... so i am very jumpy... i must drive the mods insane (i am so sorry) because like half of everything i write i ask to be deleted...

i do not always know when my posts will start arguments otherwise i would not post them at all...

gracias


Greetings, dona annette isabel eliot-lerdo (baronesa) de tejada :D

I don't think you need to worry ... I always find your posts well thought through and politely worded.

Peace
 
gracias glo! i think you are a very polite poster too!



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is it possible this could be moved to an area where we could give anonymous answers?
 
I show this one as an example of the legalistic nature of Islam. You are denied blessing because you have a dog? The Islamic God judges people on whether you have a dog? It just doesn't make sense. God must judge purely on whether we do good or evil, whether we help others.

What is absurd to me is that you are saying that God is to judge purely on whether we do good or evil, yet the concept of having a God is for Him to tell us what good and evil is, for Him to distinguish it, or do you think that we should say to God 'This is good and evil God, judge me according to this scale of what good and evil is'

Surely if you honestly can put yourself in the shoes of a person who is believing in a more powerful being, a being that knows what is best, then you can understand why we as humans might not know all that is evil but God would? And if you understand that then you should find it illogical that a person would tell God what is right and wrong?
 
hello for the non-muslims

i thought to post as anonymous....but like bro woodrow say...i can't even spell it. So i can't even create the account itself :-[

but i really like to know your own opinion....

1.what do you think of islam?

2.Why don't you choose islam and be a muslim?

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?

Thats all for now....and i hope i didn't offend anyone.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

hola syilla,

i am going to try to answer this again... please nobody be offended by my answers... just ignore me... gracias...


1. i think islam is very simple and disciplined conceptually but very overarching in scope, and aggressive...

2. because i believe in God, the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth, i believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell and on the third day He rose again. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father, he will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins the resurrection of the body and life everlasting...

and i do not believe mohammed was a prophet or the quran is a revelation of God...

3. i do not know anything about islam outside of what is written in the quran which is why skillganon recommended me to this website to learn more... some rulings that i do not agree with that i already know about are many aspects about marriage, the use of the death penalty... that you are not allowed music, and the military aspects of islam...

Dios te bendiga
 
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concept of war and possition of women. probably I feel "uncomfortable" with whole "legal" aspect of Islam :-[


Please woman have the most right in Islam, Hijab is for there protection, and this war thing is easy to explain, you take our land, come to our land invade kill our people and say "terrorist" attacks, please dont get me started:raging:
 
Please woman have the most right in Islam, Hijab is for there protection, and this war thing is easy to explain, you take our land, come to our land invade kill our people and say "terrorist" attacks, please dont get me started:raging:
By no means I wanted to "get you starting"! I tried to answer question and be honest (and STILL within limits). i could only write how I respect Islam but than is not the answer to "why not Islam" question.
I read many thread here about women, war, death penalty or dog issue. And I still disagree.
Is saying this in this thread too much? :-[ :?
 
hola syilla,

i was afraid of this too... that is why i asked for my post the first time to be deleted... i really think it would be best if this allowed anonymous answers...

Dios te bendiga...
 
What is absurd to me is that you are saying that God is to judge purely on whether we do good or evil, yet the concept of having a God is for Him to tell us what good and evil is, for Him to distinguish it, or do you think that we should say to God 'This is good and evil God, judge me according to this scale of what good and evil is'

Surely if you honestly can put yourself in the shoes of a person who is believing in a more powerful being, a being that knows what is best, then you can understand why we as humans might not know all that is evil but God would? And if you understand that then you should find it illogical that a person would tell God what is right and wrong?

Hello Al Habeshi, :)

Keep in mind, it was not my intention to judge Muslims in this post I made. I was asked the question why I did not become a Muslim, in other words, why Islam was not appealing to me. I did not reason based on how Muslims should percieve it, I reasoned based on how I, as a non-believer, perceived it.

Part of my answer was that I find that Islam is too focused on the details and seems to miss the bigger picture. If rulings don't make sense to me it is not going to help me believe Islam is the message of God. Sure, if you already believe in the Islamic God all this will make sense, because you assume God has its own valid reasons to make some of these rulings. But to people who do not yet believe in Allah some of these rulings can't be excused in this manner. We have to use our common sense. And my common sense and values tell me that the three rulings I posted do not make sense and do not appear compassionate and loving, something I would expect from a God.

So to answer your question, yes, for someone who already believes in Allah and Mohammed as his prophet it is illogical. For anyone else it is not. Anyone else has to weigh the arguments for and against whether these rules are divine and might well come to the conclusion that these rules are indeed ungodly and of human origin.
 
:sl: and Greetings,

I think this thread can be quite helpful to Muslims to show the main concerns and worries of some non-Muslims and areas that we might need to work on when explaining or clarifying aspects of Islam. I think that it would be good to have a parallel thread to this one in which Muslims are given a chance to respond to the points raised here, so perhaps one can be started in the near future Insha'Allaah. Also, so long as an answer is honest and respectful, I don't see the need for people to feel anxious about posting their replies.

I would also just like to say that I personally wouldn't approve of the third question:

3.Is there any particular rulings in Islam that you don't agree. If yes, what is it?
This is because the religion of Islam has been ordained and perfected by Allaah, so it is irrelevant as to what any creation personally feels about them. Human beings have only so much a capability to comprehend and understand; God, on the other hand, has infinite wisdom and knowledge with which He prescribes rulings that might be seemingly senseless to some individuals but nevertheless facilitate the best outcome. Perhaps it is in this context that some of the responses would be given.

Peace.
 
This is because the religion of Islam has been ordained and perfected by Allaah, so it is irrelevant as to what any creation personally feels about them. Human beings have only so much a capability to comprehend and understand; God, on the other hand, has infinite wisdom and knowledge with which He prescribes rulings that might be seemingly senseless to some individuals but nevertheless facilitate the best outcome. Perhaps it is in this context that some of the responses would be given.

Not to mention, I do not think any non-Muslim member her has a professional or detailed eduction in Islam, so how can they disagree with something that they have not studied in detail?
 
- The 'problem of evil'. I simply do not believe that a God with the properties ascribed to Him would create the world as it is. I've seen all the responses, and find none even remotely convincing.

I think I might have given you the following answers before. Nevertheless to be certain I thought I'd answer this one again.

The most basic form of evil is the one that comes from free will. Free will means that evil is possible. So basically God doesn’t fail us in fighting off evil, but instead we are failing him in following his guidance. Interceding in this would defeat creation with free will

But you can’t blame people for all the bad things that happen on earth, can you? What about natural disasters or sicknesses? As for those things people aren’t responsible for. I can see how you would describe them as bad. And I understand if one of them hits you personal that you experience it as a bad and unfortunate event. But people judge them as such because they fail to consider two basic pieces into this puzzle. First of all, this puzzle of this paradigm is all about people being created by a creator. We’re given an existence and a limited stay on this earth. Holding a grudge against your creator because your stay here is limited doesn’t make sense. Since this limited stay is a test, the end of a person’s stay is covered under the veil of death. Would it not be covered, then it would ruin the “test” for the rest of us that stay behind; thus making religion obvious rather then a question of believe. The second thing people generally miss out is that this puzzle claims that death is a transition, and that everybody will be rewarded according to what they earn after it. That puts the “evil-rate" of death into perspective.

Well that still doesn’t cover “all” bad things. What about the people who aren’t killed by a natural disaster, but left wounded or sick without their family homeless and starving. Why is there so many suffering who does death occur so slow? Again, the bad nature of those things are relative. For some people a slow death might give them the opportunity to repent for their sins. And when facing death, even an atheist will start to pray. So consider how long this death relatively is compared to an infinite afterlife in either hell or heaven. Then consider that the length of dieing might have an influence in that destination. Another factor to consider is that our sufferings might have a weight in the scales of judgment. A person with nothing then hardships has had a different test then a person with a picture-perfect life. And just like a written exam in school, exams are meant to test a person, not to test the persons luck with the questions he is dealt. So if different students get different questions their grade is not a simple sum of the number of questions they got right, the weight of the questions matters to. As demonstrated in the following hadith about sickness for example:
“Whenever a hardship affects the Muslim, he will be forgiven for it even when he is picked by a spike.” (Reported by Muslim).
Ummu as-Sa'ib cursed fever, to which the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) told her: 'Do not curse fever, for it takes away the sins like the blaze (fire) takes away the impurities of iron.' (Reported by Muslim)

I doubt this will have changed your mind, but at least I hope I've given you a plausible alternative
 

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