Why not islam?

[lolwatever]

Not to mention, I do not think any non-Muslim member her has a professional or detailed eduction in Islam, so how can they disagree with something that they have not studied in detail?

or worse still, comment on a book they refuse to read. (E.g. the Quran)

"I have not read the Quran in full and certainly not in its original language nor do I care to do so." :X Link

 

[KAding]

Not to mention, I do not think any non-Muslim member her has a professional or detailed eduction in Islam, so how can they disagree with something that they have not studied in detail?

Of course, this criticism applies to anyone following any ideology. How learned are you in all other religions? Since your education on, say, Hinduism is probably far from perfect, how do you know that Hinduism is not the true word of God?

Besides, define 'studied'. How many Muslims are well-informed about their own religion? In all honesty, by now I think I'm more learned on Islam than many Muslims seem to be. I often catch them saying things that are clearly unislamic . And yes, I have read significant parts of the Qu'ran.

Nonetheless, there is of course some truth in your words. On TV I often hear many non-Muslims make the most idiotic claims about Islam, clearly based on a lack of understanding and education. But I believe most non-Muslims on this forum are far from ignorant on Islam. Certainly they probably know enough to have a valuable opinion on it.

 

[Jayda]

hola,

maybe this is not a good topic to discuss at this time... we do not want to cause trouble and i do not think anybody intended on having a large debate about this... could somebody perhaps consider closing it?

gracias...

 

[Malaikah]

Of course, this criticism applies to anyone following any ideology. How learned are you in all other religions? Since your education on, say, Hinduism is probably far from perfect, how do you know that Hinduism is not the true word of God?

Of course. But I do not need to study every religion in the world to figure out which is the right one. Once I have seen the proof to indicate that Islam is the correct religion I do not need to spend time researching other religions needlessly.

Anyway, I wouldn't pretend to disagree with some in Hinduism when I don't even have a clue that the religion is about.

Besides, define 'studied'. How many Muslims are well-informed about their own religion? In all honesty, by now I think I'm more learned on Islam than many Muslims seem to be. I often catch them saying things that are clearly unislamic . And yes, I have read significant parts of the Qu'ran.

True, but some members have disagreed with things that they could only logically disagree with if they had actually studied it properly. Some of the things people disagreed with didn't need a detailed understanding, while others certainly did.

By the way, reading the Quran doesn't mean you have understood it in depth, because there is something called 'tafsir of the Quran', which is like the explanation of the verses in the context they were revealed. The most dramatic example of this that I can think of is the verse saying something to the effect of cut off the heads of the every disbeliever where ever you see them. Some ignorant people think it literally meant everywhere you see them- at the shops or what ever, while ignoring the fact that the verse was revealed during a battle!:rollseyes In this context to makes sense, one could hardly do around trying to say, tickle, the people who are trying to kill you.

Just thought I would mention that...

Nonetheless, there is of course some truth in your words. On TV I often hear many non-Muslims make the most idiotic claims about Islam, clearly based on a lack of understanding and education. But I believe most non-Muslims on this forum are far from ignorant on Islam. Certainly they probably know enough to have a valuable opinion on it

Fair enough- I would not say 'valuable' opinion though (the forum isn't that comprehensive, the political aspects are so not explained properly here), but certainly a better formed opinion than most other people.

 

[SilentObserver]

This thread should not be used to debate the ability of non-muslims to make informed judgements of islam, or any other debate. The purpose was to ask non-muslims why islam is not for them. If it turns into a debate people will not answer. People will feel like they have been asked only to be attacked for the answer they provide. A trap.
Best to start another thread if you wish to debate anything that was said.

 

[Jayda]

This thread should not be used to debate the ability of non-muslims to make informed judgements of islam, or any other debate. The purpose was to ask non-muslims why islam is not for them. If it turns into a debate people will not answer. People will feel like they have been asked only to be attacked for the answer they provide. A trap.
Best to start another thread if you wish to debate anything that was said.

hola SilentObservert,

i feel like this too...

 

[syilla]

This thread should not be used to debate the ability of non-muslims to make informed judgements of islam, or any other debate. The purpose was to ask non-muslims why islam is not for them. If it turns into a debate people will not answer. People will feel like they have been asked only to be attacked for the answer they provide. A trap.
Best to start another thread if you wish to debate anything that was said.

it is not a trap...

yeah this thread should not be for a debate.

please create a new thread for a debate.

thank you

 

[Trumble]

I would also just like to say that I personally wouldn't approve of the third question:

This is because the religion of Islam has been ordained and perfected by Allaah, so it is irrelevant as to what any creation personally feels about them. Human beings have only so much a capability to comprehend and understand; God, on the other hand, has infinite wisdom and knowledge with which He prescribes rulings that might be seemingly senseless to some individuals but nevertheless facilitate the best outcome. Perhaps it is in this context that some of the responses would be given.

That is certainly not the context in which my reply was given. As the purpose of the thread is to effectively ask non-muslims, i.e people who do not believe that "the religion of Islam has been ordained and perfected by Allaah" (or even believe there is a God at all), why they are not muslims, that objection makes no sense at all in this context regardless of your personal belief.

It also overlooks the point that I made earlier, that "perfected" or not the Qur'an and Hadith are interpreted in different ways by different muslims in different places; I gave an example earlier regarding women's education. It is some of those interpretations (which are made by people, not God) that make non-muslims uncomfortable, hence not only is the question non-offensive in this context, it is essential.

I doubt this will have changed your mind, but at least I hope I've given you a plausible alternative

It didn't, as I said I've seen them all before. They are certainly alternatives, and have been frequently argued throughout history, but I simply do not find them remotely plausible ones in the context of a God with the characteristics He is supposed to have. It would be straying off topic to explain why here (this isn't another 'does God exist' thread), but I have done so elsewhere.

One thought springs to mind though, in view of my response to Muhammad. Presumably the application of free-will applies just as much to those scholars providing Qur'anic and Hadith interpretations as it does to everybody else. Doesn't that open at up least the logical possibility (it's clearly not a very likely one!) that every single one of those interpretations might be not only wrong, but actually evil? It would certainly seem to suggest that at least some are likely to be both.

 

[north_malaysian]

Syilla, thanks for starting this thread....

I hope our Jewish forummers can answer these questions too...

and, I'm not offended with the answers.... it's cool...:statisfie

 

[Jayda]

hola

maybe this would be a better thread for us to talk about things like violence and islam, and other things instead of having separate topics...

Dios te bendiga

 

[MTAFFI]

Let me start out by saying that I personally believe religion is religion. As long as you follow God and the basic principals I think you will be OK overall.

I choose not to follow Islam for a few reasons, one and what would seem to be the most obvious to those that know me is that I am a devout Catholic and I just like the way my religion teaches me to live life and I like the services it offers. I feel whole when I am at Catholic mass, and not only that when I leave I feel relieved! At the same time I have never attended a mosque either.

Second I do not like how Islam asks you to pray so often, I like to pray at night before I go to sleep and at church but other than that it is just too much for me. I know that some Muslims reading this are saying shame on you right now, but I am just being honest.

I also believe that Islam is too strict of a religion, I feel it asks to much of its people. Take for instance, women wearing the head thingy, I love when I see a beautiful woman, not always for lust but it is nice to see all of the beautiful things that God created and I like admiring them. I also think it does not take care of it women as well as it could either. Take a man having more than one wife, to me this is worse than going to a strip club or lusting over women on the street, especially since the wife can only have one husband.

I also do not like the Jihad thing that is associated with Islam. No where in the Catholic bible does it say it is OK to kill or martyr yourself no matter what the circumstance. Even if your people are treated unjust or your land is invaded, Catholicism teaches peace and only peace and there is no other way. "Live by the sword and die by the sword"

That is basically why I cannot embrace Islam as my religion.

 

[Pygoscelis]

To be brutally honest, one of the reasons I could never follow Islam is because of the name itself. Even if I did believe that a God existed (which I don't, so the point is moot) I would not look upon "surrender" to that God as a virtue. I'm too much of a bugger.

Given eternal ****ation I may bow to him, but only out of fear, not out of love or respect.

lol a religious board censors that word?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

lol the heady thingy is called a hijab Plus if Islam didnt take care of us women, I wouldnt be here and be religious lol. keep ur views comin guys. i like reading it all.

Peace

 

[- Qatada -]

Listen psygoscelis. First of all, please stop talking about what you have no knowledge, Allaah loves those who believe and this is why He gives them good in this life and the hereafter.



(Say: ‘If you do love Allah follow me, Allah will love you and forgive your sins for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.) Qur'an (3:31)

(Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, to them will God Most Gracious bestow His Love.) Qur'an (19:96)


If you can't grasp the idea of a Creator, then you don't need to attack islaam. Thankyou.



Peace.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^ i thought he was speaking generally at the end :X

 

[Jayda]

lol the heady thingy is called a hijab Plus if Islam didnt take care of us women, I wouldnt be here and be religious lol. keep ur views comin guys. i like reading it all.

Peace

Listen psygoscelis. First of all, please stop talking about what you have no knowledge, Allaah loves those who believe and this is why He gives them good in this life and the hereafter.



(Say: ‘If you do love Allah follow me, Allah will love you and forgive your sins for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.) Qur'an (3:31)

(Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, to them will God Most Gracious bestow His Love.) Qur'an (19:96)


If you can't grasp the idea of a Creator, then you don't need to attack islaam. Thankyou.



Peace.

hola Tayyaba and Fi_Sabilillah,

i do not mean to cause trouble but please have a little more patience with us... it is difficult for us to express our thoughts about why we do not want to be muslims without insulting you... and we do not want to do that... conflicting messages encouraging us to tell you what we think and then asking us to not say what we think makes this very confusing and we do not know what to say...

please take our answers as an invitation to explain and not necessarily an attack... (but please do not feel compelled to have to explain everything to us...)

muchos gracias, Dios te bendiga

 

[Goku]

I am not offended by the views of non-Muslims in this topic, as long as blatent insults arent used.

Feel free to keep the views coming, its interesting to read and understand your position. Its good for discussions too.

Thanks for being polite Jayda. :thumbs_up

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

hola Tayyaba and Fi_Sabilillah,

i do not mean to cause trouble but please have a little more patience with us... it is difficult for us to express our thoughts about why we do not want to be muslims without insulting you... and we do not want to do that... conflicting messages encouraging us to tell you what we think and then asking us to not say what we think makes this very confusing and we do not know what to say...

please take our answers as an invitation to explain and not necessarily an attack... (but please do not feel compelled to have to explain everything to us...)

muchos gracias, Dios te bendiga

where was i losing patience :?. i was just telling him what it is he called it head thingy so i thought it'd be good to tell him what its called.

Peace

 

[Jayda]

where was i losing patience :?. i was just telling him what it is he called it head thingy so i thought it'd be good to tell him what its called.

Peace

hola Tayyaba,

i am sorry that i confused you... what i meant to say was that your post encouraged us to continue talking and Fi_Sabilillah's post asked us to not... i did not mean to suggest anybody had a lack of patience... the conflicting messages we are getting from muslim to muslim is making answering very difficult because we do not know what will get us in trouble...

muchos gracias
Goodnight

 

[rav]

lol the heady thingy is called a hijab Plus if Islam didnt take care of us women, I wouldnt be here and be religious lol. keep ur views comin guys. i like reading it all.

Do you know where the Hijab came from, or what culture had it in use before the Quran?