why sacrifise of Jesus (p) is unique & others sacrifises went unnoticed ???

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Salaam/peace ,


Greetings, Muslim Woman

welcome back , enjoyed a holiday ? :)

about Mother Teresa's going to hell .....i first read about it in a revert story . A Christian was shocked when s/he first heard this from the Pastor ( ! ).

I've to look for it ....don't know how long it will take as i regularly read revert stories .....it may take time to find out a specific one .

Ok , tell me , why in Christian sites , i noticed ' Christians & Catholics ??? What's the meaning of it ????


Another question came in to mind : Vatican City will soon declare Mother Teresa as a Saint . Then many Catholics will pray to her directly instead of praying to God. ......will not it be considered as blasphemy ?????

Let's agree that Mother Teresa will go to heaven but what will happen to them who will commit blashphemy ? just because they believed in death of Jesus (p) , after committing a major sin regarding Bible , they will still manage to go to heaven ?

 
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Salaam/peace ,




welcome back , enjoyed a holiday ? :)

about Mother Teresa's going to hell .....i first read about it in a revert story . A Christian was shocked when s/he first heard this from the Pastor ( ! ).

I've to look for it ....don't know how long it will take as i regularly read revert stories .....it may take time to find out a specific one .

Ok , tell me , why in Christian sites , i noticed ' Christians & Catholics ??? What's the meaning of it ????


Honestly, I have no idea what the meaning of such a heading or title would be. It seems rather strange and nonsensical to me.


Now, as far as non-Catholic Christians who do not like Catholicism, yes, I have heard of some of them. My grandmother for one. Even with her I never understood it. It seemed like this was just an area of prejuidice in her life. In other words, I would think that such a hateful approach to others, who are in fact our brothers and sisters in Christ, would be sinful. But that is something they are each going to have to individually discuss with Christ when they get to heaven.

You seem intent on seeing this dark side, that again I say is itself not a Christian attitude (even it is Christians who have it), so I am going to give you a link to one of the most dispicable supposedly "Christian" websites I can imagine: Jack Chick Publications. If you go there you will find all sorts of anti-Catholic rhetoric. But be warned, you will also find anti-everything but Jack Chick's own personal view of Christianity. Some of the things he believes are believed by many other Christians, but not nearly everything. So, do NOT think that if you find it on this website that other Christians are going to be able to explain to you why Christians think such-and-such. Instead, those of us who you meet here might tell you that Christians do not think those things, because the is also much on this website that Christians do not believe, though Jack Chick tries to convince Christians that we should. So, if you read his stuff, be discerning. Don't believe it all; don't reject it all. There are both truths and lies as to what Christians do and do not believe on this Jack Chick Publications website.








Another question came in to mind : Vatican City will soon declare Mother Teresa as a Saint . Then many Catholics will pray to her directly instead of praying to God. ......will not it be considered as blasphemy ?????

Let's agree that Mother Teresa will go to heaven but what will happen to them who will commit blashphemy ? just because they believed in death of Jesus (p) , after committing a major sin regarding Bible , they will still manage to go to heaven ?


If you think of prayer as conversation, which is in essence what prayer is when boiled down to its bare essentials, then praying to God becomes a conversation wtih God. But is God the only person that one can or even should have a conversation with? So, since the saints are not dead (oh I know we don't see them on earth, but they are still alive) but are alive with Jesus, then prayer to them is just an attempt to be in conversation with them. Now, personally, I don't see the point -- one can have a one-sided conversation with a human being who is already in heaven, or one can have a two-way conversation with God himself. The second makes immienantly more sense to me, but some prefer for their own personal reasons to do the former. They think that God is more likely to hear the prayers of someone who is already in heaven than their own. So, they pray to these "saints" like Mother Theresa and ask them to pray to God on their behalf.

It isn't blasphemy, because they don't think of these saints as anything other than righteous individuals that are already in heaven. They know these are people not God, and they aren't praying to them as a form of worship, but as a request for aid in their prayers to God. But, I think it is unnecessary, as Jesus makes it possible for us to go directly to God with our needs and concerns ourselves. We don't need any one else doing for us what Christ has enabled us to do for ourselves.


Your idea of major and minor sins is not one that I accept as valid. All sins are sins. Even the tiniest one is enough to keep us from heaven if we had to get their on our on merit by being perfect. Even the largest one is not bigger than God's love for us nor bigger than the atonement Christ made for us on the cross.
 
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Salaam/peace ,

welcome back , enjoyed a holiday ? :)
I did, thank you. :)
I feel very rested and relaxed ... :D

about Mother Teresa's going to hell .....i first read about it in a revert story . A Christian was shocked when s/he first heard this from the Pastor ( ! ).

I've to look for it ....don't know how long it will take as i regularly read revert stories .....it may take time to find out a specific one .
That's interesting.
Not wanting to belittle this story, but I tend to take converts' stories (from and to any religion) with a large pinch of salt. In my experience they often have their own agenda ... and very often that agenda is to discredit the religion the person in question has converted from... :-[

Ok , tell me , why in Christian sites , i noticed ' Christians & Catholics ??? What's the meaning of it ????
Different denominations, different interpretations ...
I suppose really one should say 'Catholics and Protestants, Methodists, Baptists, Anglicans, non-denominational churches etc, etc.'
But regardless of the differences between these groups, the core beliefs remain the same.

And, as I said before, nobody can pass judgment on how 'holy', 'good' or 'godly' the next person is ... that's for God alone to judge.

Don't forget that there are differences within Islam too.
Not for no reason does LI discourage sectarian discussions. It would be confusing for non-Muslims to get caught up in sectarian debates between Sunni and Shia - just as you find it confusing on Christian sites.

Another question came in to mind : Vatican City will soon declare Mother Teresa as a Saint . Then many Catholics will pray to her directly instead of praying to God. ......will not it be considered as blasphemy ?????
Catholics have many saints. Catholics I have spoken to have explained that they do not pray to the saints, but pray to God through the saints.
Personally, I pray to God directly.
But again ... who am I to pass judgment?

Peace, sister
 
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Salaam/peace ,

I would think that such a hateful approach to others, who are in fact our brothers and sisters in Christ, would be sinful..

I don't think ,it's a hateful approach....surely they don't have any personal hatred towards Catholics. What they are thinking , that is based on their sincere religious belief.

I guess , they just sincerely believe that by making statues of Jesus (p) & Mother Mary (p) & put them inside the Churches & bowing infront of statues ....as all these are prohibited regarding Bible ....... Catholics are sinners / doing blashphemy .

Make statue for worship worship.......i m 100 % sure that Catholics won't be able to show any Biblical verse that supports it.



But that is something they are each going to have to individually discuss with Christ when they get to heaven.


by violating God's command that is also in 10th commandments -- ( not the exact words ) don't make statue ........idol makers / worshippers will go to heaven ?

Do u believe Hindus who also believe in Trinity concept & make idols for worshipping will also go to heaven ?


You seem intent on seeing this dark side,

--why it's dark side ? I m trying to understand why Jesus (p) died & why his death is so unique to Christians ?


If so many Chrisitans believe majority Christians are going to hell , then the purpose of his death became useless ( sorry if this sounds negative criticism or hurts anyone's feelings ) . But i really want to understand.


since the saints are not dead (oh I know we don't see them on earth, but they are still alive) but are alive with Jesus, then prayer to them is just an attempt to be in conversation with them.

do they also believe Saints have power to accept the prayer ? If not , then why not pray DIRECTLY TO GOD ? Is it prohibited for Christians to pray directly to father ?'



one can have a two-way conversation with God himself.


can u explain it ? If u talk to God directly , u can feel God is talking to u or u feel peace & tha't the response from God ?




Jesus makes it possible for us to go directly to God with our needs and concerns ourselves. We don't need any one else doing for us what Christ has enabled us to do for ourselves.

so non-Catholics do pray dircetly to God & NOT via Jesus (p) ?



.....Even the tiniest one is enough to keep us from heaven .


umm..like calling someone Foolish ? This sin & killing hundreds innocent lives.....these 2 sins are same to u ?

I guess , i will never understand Christianity.....i m tooooooooooooooo dumb for this relilgion :-[

 
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Salaam/peace ,


I feel very rested and relaxed ... :D


glad to know that :statisfie , BTW we missed u , Christians sisters are so few in this forum ...anyone's absence/leaving forum is a bad news






Don't forget that there are differences within Islam too.
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fortunately :statisfie , Sunni & Shia do believe that God is one ----that's the most imp matter in Islam.




Personally, I pray to God directly.

that's wonderful :)

to my knowledge , Jesus (p) also prayed to God directly without the help of Saints or via himself.



But again ... who am I to pass judgment?

if u think , others are violating God's commands , then i think , u must warn him/her.


Peace, sister


and peace to u , too :D

 
by violating God's command that is also in 10th commandments -- ( not the exact words ) don't make statue ........idol makers / worshippers will go to heaven ?

Not sure what you are asking here. Obviously, people don't go diirectly to heaven BECAUSE they violate God's commands. It is possible for people who viiolate God's commands to still go to heaven, inspite of doing so, BECAUSE he grants them grace and forgiveness. Catholics would not consider themselves to be idol worshippers. Why, because they don't worship idols. Yes, they may have statutes of people in their churches, but the idea that this is forbidden by the 10 Commandments is an interpretation of the scripture:
Exodus 20
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.
It says don't make any idols. To understand what that means I have to ask some questions:
1) Are all statutes idols? In my understanding of what and idol is, not all statutes are automatically also idols.
2) Or are idols a particular type of statute? Yes, idols are a particular type of statute. A statue that one would create and then claim was one's god or worship as a god or would consider to have divine power like God would be an idol.
3) Can things that are not statutes also be idols? I believe the answer to this is also yes. Any created thing that we substitute for God would be an idol, be it money or a family relationship or even God's own book, the Bible. None of these things should be worshipped, only God.


Do u believe Hindus who also believe in Trinity concept & make idols for worshipping will also go to heaven ?
Whether or not Hindus will also go to heaven is something I can't answer. They like Muslims need to depend entirely on the grace of God. There is a guarantee only for those who have already committed their lives into a trust relationship with God that they will indeed be recipients of his grace.



--why it's dark side ? I m trying to understand why Jesus (p) died & why his death is so unique to Christians ?
I am not saying that trying to understand this question is looking at the dark side. I am saying that if one reads the Jack Chick Publication stuff, then you will (in my personal opinion) be looking at the dark side of Christianity. And the reason I feel that way about Jack Chick is not because I think he is insincere. I do think he is sincere, but I think he is also sincerely wrong, and expresses himself in ways that are not loving. Though I do believe he sincerely intends them to be loving; they don't come across that way to others.


If so many Chrisitans believe majority Christians are going to hell , then the purpose of his death became useless ( sorry if this sounds negative criticism or hurts anyone's feelings ) . But i really want to understand.
Well, while there are a few who call themselves Christians who believe that there are others who also happen to call themselves Christian that are going to hell. That does not mean that Christians believe that other Christians will be going to hell. Sadly, what I see happening is best examplified by someone like Jack Chick. He is a Christian, and he thinks that Catholics are going to hell. But he also doesn't think that Catholics are really Christians. The only people he thinks are Christian are those who believe exactly as he does, and none of them are going to hell. In Jack Chick's mind, Jesus' died for the sins of those who believe in him, and he does not think that Catholic really believe in Jesus but in something that the Catholic Church has invented that isn't the real Jesus.

As I have said, I don't agree with Jack Chick on this. Nor do most other Christian that I know. So, the truth is that while there are a few Christians that might think as Jack Chick does, the situation you asked about (many Chrisitans believe majority Christians are going to hell) does not actually exist.


On the other part, the purpose of Jesus' death, I am in the midst of writing another of my long responses. But I have been too busy to complete it yet. I'll be sure to let you know when I am done. However, give me another week, at least.



do they also believe Saints have power to accept the prayer ? If not , then why not pray DIRECTLY TO GOD ? Is it prohibited for Christians to pray directly to father ?'
Remember, I am not a Catholic, so I could be mis-stating some of their views. But as best I understand it, yes, they believe that Saints have the power to receive the prayer, but then the saints would pass on those prayers to God on behalf of those who originally prayed to them.

Your next question is one that I ask myself of the whole aspect of praying to saints. The best response I have heard (which doesn't quite cut it for me) is that the prayers of these saints, viewed (mistakenly in my mind) as "super" Christians, might have a better chance of being heard than those of the average Christian.

No, it is not prohibited anywhere for a Christian to pray directly to the Father. Indeed, Jesus taught his disciples to pray in that pattern. All Christians do this. But whether one is praying to God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit it is all the same because you are still praying to the one and the same God which ever way you pray.



can u explain it ? If u talk to God directly , u can feel God is talking to u or u feel peace & tha't the response from God ?
Sometimes yes to the first, sometimes yes to the second, sometimes yes to both.




so non-Catholics do pray dircetly to God & NOT via Jesus (p) ?
I sort of explained this above. Non-Catholic Christians do pray directly to God. Sometimes that prayer is to God the Father and is directly to him. Someitmes that prayer is to God the Son and is directly to him. Sometimes (though probably rarer) that prayer is to God the Holy Spirit and is directly to him. All of these prayers would be the very same prayer offered to the very same being. All are prayers prayed directly to the one and the same God. They wouldn't be three different sets of prayers. And they certainly wouldn't be understood as prayed to three different beings. We just don't understand there to be more than one God, so all the prayers would in effect be to the same being, to the one and only God and none other than him.

Now, just to confuse you more: we might pray to God the Father through God the Son (i.e. Jesus), that would be like asking God to speak himself on on our behalf. Yes, sometimes we can get very close to schizophrenic in our prayer life. And I've even done it myself, but the whole concept is sort of redundant, if you've prayed to Jesus you have prayed to the Father at the same time, you don't really have to ask Jesus to take these prayers to the Father for you. Remember, they are one and the same being, it isn't like there is a second God or anything, so the whole idea of praying to God via Jesus is rather redundant.





umm..like calling someone Foolish ? This sin & killing hundreds innocent lives.....these 2 sins are same to u ?

A sin is a sin is a sin in my opinion. If the way to paradise consisted of jumping a huge canyon 1000 meters across with hell at the bottom, and you jumped 999.99 meters and only fell .01 meter short, would you be more likely to end up in paradise than the person who only jumped 1 meter and fell 999 meters short? Or would you both end up in hell just the same? Sin is any falling short, it doesn't matter by how little or how much. The cross of Jesus fills that canyon and becomes a bridge that we can cross rather than having to jump it for ourselves.

Faith in Christ is trusting the bridge to be able to support us and that he will help us cross safely to the other side. Non-Christians are invited to cross the bridge too, but in doing so, they are in essence trusting Christ, even though they may not realize that this is what they have done.


I guess , i will never understand Christianity.....i m tooooooooooooooo dumb for this relilgion :-[
We are each preconditioned to have certain expectations about even our basic concepts about God that may not be those shared by other religions. So, we have to learn not just the words, but what those words mean for other people. That is like learning a new language, only in this case you are trying not just to learn the language but to think like a native while still living in a different culture. You aren't too dumb, but it does take time. On the whole I would say that you are learning a great deal rather quickly. But it is a life long process for all of us, we are never fully there until we are there with Christ.
 

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