Why should Muslims put up with being stereotyped?

[glo]

I like stereotypes. It allows me to pigeonhole people.

Typical thing to say for a male Dutch atheist!!

 

[anatolian]

I really don't know so much thing about the stiuation of muslims in Britain or anything about that person but religious muslims who live in the western societies get stereotyped very easily in the way of keeping the islamic awards, this is a general problem of them I think...wrong?

 

[kirk]

Steryotype Muslims???

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1761.htm

Another Muslim cleric makes the same claim as the first

Former Jordanian Minister Ali Al-Faqir Vows to Conquer Spain and Rome and Declares: America and the EU Will Soon Come to an End

Following are excerpts from an interview with Sheik Ali Al-Faqir, former Jordanian minister of religious endowment, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on May 2, 2008.

Sheik Ali Al-Faqir: We must declare that Palestine, from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, is an Islamic land, and that Spain – Andalusia – is also the land of Islam. Islamic lands that were occupied by the enemies will once again become Islamic. Furthermore, we will reach beyond these countries, which are lost at one point. We proclaim that we will conquer Rome, like Constantinople was conquered once, and as it will be conquered again.

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[Muezzin]

Kirk, feel free to stereotpye Muslims, but at least use a decent one with a subwoofer and stuff.

 

[KAding]

Well, there is "only one Islam". Can we use that Islam to stereotype Muslims? Or do we have to assume that (to paraphrase) "interpretations of Islam are like navels, everybody has one"?

I would lean towards the latter, which means you can't really have any prejudices against Muslims. Heck, I don't think you can even assume every Muslims believes that "there is no God except Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah", since there are so many "secular Muslims" where I live. So whenever I disagree with certain interpretations of Islam I try to limit my criticism to Islam as a doctrine, rather than Muslims (as in the people). So I might well be an Islamophobe, but I would be severely insulted if someone called me a Muslimophobe .

 

[Muezzin]

Well, there is "only one Islam". Can we use that Islam to stereotype Muslims? Or do we have to assume that (to paraphrase) "interpretations of Islam are like navels, everybody has one"?

I would lean towards the latter, which means you can't really have any prejudices against Muslims. Heck, I don't think you can even assume every Muslims believes that "there is no God except Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah", since there are so many "secular Muslims" where I live.

Eh? 'Secular Muslims' still believe that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the messenger of Allah, otherwise they wouldn't be Muslim.

Secularism is the separation of religion and state, not the elimination of it, my dear Flying Dutchman.

 

[anatolian]

Eh? 'Secular Muslims' still believe that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the messenger of Allah, otherwise they wouldn't be Muslim.

Secularism is the separation of religion and state, not the elimination of it, my dear Flying Dutchman.

They must be ultra-secular muslims!:X

 

[KAding]

Eh? 'Secular Muslims' still believe that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the messenger of Allah, otherwise they wouldn't be Muslim.

Secularism is the separation of religion and state, not the elimination of it, my dear Flying Dutchman.

Yeah, sure. Thats all nice in theory. But in practice there are plenty of Muslims who don't bother with religion or even believing, but who nevertheless identify themselves as Muslims. Simply because they have a Muslim background and, I assume, because of the gigantic taboo on apostasy.

 

[Muezzin]

Yeah, sure.

My, my. Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Unless my Flying Dutchman remark rubbed you the wrong way, in which case I apologise. I had a lot of sugar today.

Although, you're wrong. Simply identifying yourself as Muslim does not make you one unless you believe and act accordingly. If a goat calls itself a duck, it doesn't make it one.

Thats all nice in theory. But in practice there are plenty of Muslims who don't bother with religion or even believing, but who nevertheless identify themselves as Muslims. Simply because they have a Muslim background and, I assume, because of the gigantic taboo on apostasy.

You can't claim to know what they believe. Neither can I. Only they and God know that. But if they don't have that fundamental belief, they are not Muslim, regardless of what they call themselves.

That's all off-topic. I thought I'd just get the last word before I start deleting off-topic posts

To everyone thinking any stereotypes are ever justified... how very modern and edgy and controversial hip and non-conformist of you. Even though you're just conforming with the rest of the people who claim to be non-conformist and modern and edgy and controversial and hip. Bubbles are fun places to live.

 

[KAding]

My, my. Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Unless my Flying Dutchman remark rubbed you the wrong way, in which case I apologise. I had a lot of sugar today.

I think you misinterpreted my "yeah sure". I meant it as an "yes, of course you are right, but" and not "you are an idiot" kind of "yeah sure". Sorry for that, I'll be clearer next time .

Although, you're wrong. Simply identifying yourself as Muslim does not make you one unless you believe and act accordingly. If a goat calls itself a duck, it doesn't make it one.

You can't claim to know what they believe. Neither can I. Only they and God know that. But if they don't have that fundamental belief, they are not Muslim, regardless of what they call themselves.

That's all off-topic. I thought I'd just get the last word before I start deleting off-topic posts

To everyone thinking any stereotypes are ever justified... how very modern and edgy and controversial hip and non-conformist of you. Even though you're just conforming with the rest of the people who claim to be non-conformist and modern and edgy and controversial and hip. Bubbles are fun places to live.

All I am saying is that I can't judge one person based on the opinion of another person, especially when dealing with something as personal and multi-interpretable as religion.

 

[Amat Allah]

please brothers calm down...

my dear brother kading many people talking in the name of Islam but they are not real muslims .

real muslims won`t kill innocent people believe me my brother...

with all my respect

peace

 

[kirk]

More from this very forum:

If all Muslims think like this then it is not a stereotype (with or without a subwoofer)

Because ur following the way of the KAAFIR!!! The KAAFIR will be in the hell fire!!

Mother’s Day………….may also have come from the non-Muslims, in which case as well as being an innovation they are also an imitation of the enemies of Allah.

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[*charisma*]

More from this very forum:

If all Muslims think like this then it is not a stereotype (with or without a subwoofer)

Kaafir- One who rejects the Message of Allah.

Enemies of Allah = Kaafirs

Kaafirs, according to Islam, will go to hell. That is a belief held by every Muslim. So nope, it's not considered a stereotype.

What was the point in pointing that out though?

 

[kirk]

Kaafir- One who rejects the Message of Allah.

To answer that would be to go off topic.

I have started a new thread. I'll see you there after it is approved.

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[Amat Allah]

I don`t care about the others posts and I am not going to look after the others deeds to repay them cause I am not the One who created them...

all I have to do is to give them some advices but befor advicing them we have to advice our selves and try our best to correct our mistakes to be good cause our Lord will ask you about what you have done not about the others deeds..

why are we trying to fish the others mistakes while we are not perfect?? why are we judging people by the others bad deeds and stupid statements?? why are we forejudging people befor trying to know them??why are we trying to spread hate all over?? is it a way of living this life??are we going to be blind and follow stupid people steps??why are we treating the others with cruelness ,harshness and disrespect?why not trying to be nice,kind and senseful??

don`t let the wrong concepts over master your brain..
be your self ,be free to think by your own thoughts ,don`t depend on the others says..try to pick up with the others befor judging them ..

and when someone give you an advice ,don`t say why the other doing this and that ,this is soo stupid look at your self don`t run after them like a slave and doing the same mistakes ...

in the hereafter everyone will be repaid separatly .so, becareful they will never defend on you ...

I am talking here to all of you muslims and non even to my self...we all fall in the same mistake judging the others injustly...

we have to think befor talking ...

You are a murderer!! Why ???because you are murdering people in Palestine...
You are a squatter!! Why?? because you squating the Iraq Land....
You are a terroristic !! Why?? because you are bombing people ....

ARE YOU SERIOUS??
HOW STUPID IS THIS??

are we going to accuse the innocent people because of others mistakes?? is it fair? is it right to do this to the others???

is it right to jusify our selves and our injustice by using the others mistakes??is it??
don`t accuse anyone with something you don`t want the others to accuse you with and treat them just like the way you want them to treat you in...with love ,care ,respect and sense..

this is how my Lord taught me to deal with the Others ,this is how my religion taught me to be ,this is how my prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)taught me to think...

but it seems like many muslims has forgot the valuables of our religion and blind their eyes running after their stupid rage..alas! alas!

treat the others and talk to them with wiseness ,wisdom and Islamic moralism...all of these words has been forgoten...may Allah forgive us All and I mean it all..

Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

and at the end don`t mock of the others believes cause you will never gain anything but hate...