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Salaam. From what i understand Bees should not be killed as they produce honey. I dont know if ALL snakes should be killed or not but i presume only the dangerous ones which cause harm to humans should be killed
Why should snakes be harmed unless they pose an active threat - they are excellent at keeping down rats, mice and other small vermin. There are those that blame the recent plague of mice in Australia on a campaign to eradicate "dangerous" reptiles, without the snakkes to controll them the mouse population grew out of control, of course when they had eaten all the food the population crashed but they did a heck of a lot of damage. don'y know if you ever saw that film of a sheet of corrugated iron being lifted and several thousand mice stampeding away from the light.
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We aren't supposed to kill any animals full stop (other than for food) - they are Allah's creation and we're to respect them. Which means not killing (again, unless for food) AND protecting animals instead.
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What hadith number and book number is that from? I've never heard of that in my life actually.
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Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7), No. 2718
A'isha (Allaah be pleased with her) reported Allaah'* Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.
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A'isha (Allaah be pleased with her) reported Allaah'* Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.
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Works for me.
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You'd have to ask an imaam (or scholar) because I don't know enough about hadiths. My educated guess is those animals mentioned in the ahadith are dangerous by their nature (i.e. will attack you without being provoked) and the hadith are saying it is allowed to kill those animals (but you don't HAVE to).
Again, this is merely an educated guess on my part and I do heavily encourage you to seek the actual answer from an imaam or scholar.
Keep reading (and asking questions), you may find more aspects of Islam that work for you
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and your point of query is? Put a black spot on Islam? NO?
1 - As far as I am concern, there is no shari' text which explains why we are to kill these 5 animals. What does this mean? This means we can only speculate the wisdom behind the ruling but no one knows for sure what is real reason. The Lord knows what is best for people so either submit to it or take up with Him. And please stop wasting our time with useless discussions during this month. More details on hadith can be found here
2 - Not all dogs are man's best friend. I remember there is another hadith which explains which dogs we should be killing: wild black dogs or something like that. Maybe someone can quote you that hadith, insha'Allah
3 - One of the logical reasons is that they are harmful to humans. Are you gonna buy it? I do not think so. What's next?
and Allah knows best
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I think to understand this we need to know more about the requirements of Hajj. This all comes from "Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7)"
I am far from being an expert in the Ahadith and definetly am not qualified to give Tafsir regarding it.
But, in my opinion we are reading of special requirements regarding Hajj and may not apply to daily living.
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salams guys!
i think what we are missing here is that fact that halal and haram are two things which are appointed only by Allah and his messenger alaysala.
so for us to ask why things are how they r in islam and how they should be and what is something, we have no authority to divulge into such matters!
unfortunatley many of the muslims try to justify and answer questions aimed at islam without having the proper knowledge and deep understand of islam! remember people sacrifice time and money to seek knowledge so it wouldnt be enough to just read and memorize a few articles here and there !
back to the topic the animals and insects which have been allowed to be killed are solely from the permission of Allah and His messenger alaysalam, for us to debate y this is allowed to be killed and y not, this is again not for us to decide!
most animals and insects that have been permitted to be killed are due to their dangerous behaviour and sometimes even lethal effects they have on humans and us humans have been given the authority to protect ourselves from any harmful creature wheathr human or animal!
i think what we are missing here is that fact that halal and haram are two things which are appointed only by Allah and his messenger alaysala.
so for us to ask why things are how they r in islam and how they should be and what is something, we have no authority to divulge into such matters!
unfortunatley many of the muslims try to justify and answer questions aimed at islam without having the proper knowledge and deep understand of islam! remember people sacrifice time and money to seek knowledge so it wouldnt be enough to just read and memorize a few articles here and there !
back to the topic the animals and insects which have been allowed to be killed are solely from the permission of Allah and His messenger alaysalam, for us to debate y this is allowed to be killed and y not, this is again not for us to decide!
most animals and insects that have been permitted to be killed are due to their dangerous behaviour and sometimes even lethal effects they have on humans and us humans have been given the authority to protect ourselves from any harmful creature wheathr human or animal!
First, let me make it clear that islam forbids cruelty to animals to the extent that a muslim may not even sharpen a knife in front of the animal he is about to slaughter. Animals have rights in Islam and there are legal rulings concering those rights. Is it Islam which prohibited branding animals and cutting their tails and manes.
As for the hadith, all the animals mentioned pose risk of injury and even death to a person. The dog mentioned refers to a rabid dog which can harm a person. Translations have a lot to answer to when confusion results.
Here is hadith about not killing dogs which proves that the afore mentioned ones refers to rabid dogs, wolves or any type of dog that puts human life in danger.
Hadith Showing Dogs Not Being Killed
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If God wanted those creatures killed why did he put them here in the first place?
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I do, but surely that would apply to any animal trying to kill me not just the snake, speckled crow, rat, voracious dog, and kite?