Why some animals are not allowed to be killed while some others are allowed?

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I mean, why insect like bee should not be killed and why snake should be killed if you see it?

Forgive me if there is any mistake in my word...
 
Salaam. From what i understand Bees should not be killed as they produce honey. I dont know if ALL snakes should be killed or not but i presume only the dangerous ones which cause harm to humans should be killed
 
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Bees contribute to the blessed nature,that is why we should not harm them. If we do they become dangerous. But the snakes that contain venom should be either killed or get the venom contracted(sucked) out. Allah knows the best.

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So, we only kill it if they are dangerous for us, right?
If they are not harmful, we shouldn't kill it although some hadith tell us to kill it.
Is that okay?
 
Why should snakes be harmed unless they pose an active threat - they are excellent at keeping down rats, mice and other small vermin. There are those that blame the recent plague of mice in Australia on a campaign to eradicate "dangerous" reptiles, without the snakkes to controll them the mouse population grew out of control, of course when they had eaten all the food the population crashed but they did a heck of a lot of damage. don'y know if you ever saw that film of a sheet of corrugated iron being lifted and several thousand mice stampeding away from the light.
 
Santoku said:
Why should snakes be harmed unless they pose an active threat - they are excellent at keeping down rats, mice and other small vermin. There are those that blame the recent plague of mice in Australia on a campaign to eradicate "dangerous" reptiles, without the snakkes to controll them the mouse population grew out of control, of course when they had eaten all the food the population crashed but they did a heck of a lot of damage. don'y know if you ever saw that film of a sheet of corrugated iron being lifted and several thousand mice stampeding away from the light.
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We aren't supposed to kill any animals full stop (other than for food) - they are Allah's creation and we're to respect them. Which means not killing (again, unless for food) AND protecting animals instead.
 
A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Five are the vicious beasts which should be killed even in the state of Ihram: scorpion, rat, kite, crow and voracious dog.
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No, I mean, from this hadith above, what should we do?
Dog is the man's best friend. Why the muslim are commanded to kill a hungry dog and the other animals stated on this hadith?
Can you give me a logical reason?
 
de_ruutje said:
No, I mean, from this hadith above, what should we do?
Dog is the man's best friend. Why the muslim are commanded to kill a hungry dog and the other animals stated on this hadith?
Can you give me a logical reason?
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What hadith number and book number is that from? I've never heard of that in my life actually.
 
Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7), No. 2718

A'isha (Allaah be pleased with her) reported Allaah'* Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.

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aamirsaab said:
We aren't supposed to kill any animals full stop (other than for food) - they are Allah's creation and we're to respect them. Which means not killing (again, unless for food) AND protecting animals instead.
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Works for me.
 
de_ruutje said:
so, what is the conclusion?
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You'd have to ask an imaam (or scholar) because I don't know enough about hadiths. My educated guess is those animals mentioned in the ahadith are dangerous by their nature (i.e. will attack you without being provoked) and the hadith are saying it is allowed to kill those animals (but you don't HAVE to).

Again, this is merely an educated guess on my part and I do heavily encourage you to seek the actual answer from an imaam or scholar.

Santoku said:
Works for me.
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Keep reading (and asking questions), you may find more aspects of Islam that work for you ;)
 
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de_ruutje said:
No, I mean, from this hadith above, what should we do?
Dog is the man's best friend. Why the muslim are commanded to kill a hungry dog and the other animals stated on this hadith?
Can you give me a logical reason?
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and your point of query is? Put a black spot on Islam? NO?

1 - As far as I am concern, there is no shari' text which explains why we are to kill these 5 animals. What does this mean? This means we can only speculate the wisdom behind the ruling but no one knows for sure what is real reason. The Lord knows what is best for people so either submit to it or take up with Him. And please stop wasting our time with useless discussions during this month. More details on hadith can be found here

2 - Not all dogs are man's best friend. I remember there is another hadith which explains which dogs we should be killing: wild black dogs or something like that. Maybe someone can quote you that hadith, insha'Allah

3 - One of the logical reasons is that they are harmful to humans. Are you gonna buy it? I do not think so. What's next?

and Allah knows best
 
T.I.A said:
Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7), No. 2718

A'isha (Allaah be pleased with her) reported Allaah'* Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.

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:wa:

I think to understand this we need to know more about the requirements of Hajj. This all comes from "Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7)"


I am far from being an expert in the Ahadith and definetly am not qualified to give Tafsir regarding it.

But, in my opinion we are reading of special requirements regarding Hajj and may not apply to daily living.
 
salams guys!
i think what we are missing here is that fact that halal and haram are two things which are appointed only by Allah and his messenger alaysala.
so for us to ask why things are how they r in islam and how they should be and what is something, we have no authority to divulge into such matters!
unfortunatley many of the muslims try to justify and answer questions aimed at islam without having the proper knowledge and deep understand of islam! remember people sacrifice time and money to seek knowledge so it wouldnt be enough to just read and memorize a few articles here and there !
back to the topic the animals and insects which have been allowed to be killed are solely from the permission of Allah and His messenger alaysalam, for us to debate y this is allowed to be killed and y not, this is again not for us to decide!
most animals and insects that have been permitted to be killed are due to their dangerous behaviour and sometimes even lethal effects they have on humans and us humans have been given the authority to protect ourselves from any harmful creature wheathr human or animal!
 
A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Five are the vicious beasts which should be killed even in the state of Ihram: scorpion, rat, kite, crow and voracious dog.
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No, I mean, from this hadith above, what should we do?
Dog is the man's best friend. Why the muslim are commanded to kill a hungry dog and the other animals stated on this hadith?
Can you give me a logical reason?
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First, let me make it clear that islam forbids cruelty to animals to the extent that a muslim may not even sharpen a knife in front of the animal he is about to slaughter. Animals have rights in Islam and there are legal rulings concering those rights. Is it Islam which prohibited branding animals and cutting their tails and manes.

Jabir told that God's Messenger(s) forbade striking the face or branding on the face of animals…The same companion of the Holy Prophet(s) reported him as saying, when an ass which had been branded in its face passed him by: 'God curse the one who branded it.' (Narrated by Jabir bin Abdullah. Muslim, Vol.3, Hadith No. 2116. Also Awn al-Ma'bud Sharh Abu Dawud (hereafter referred to as Awn); 7:232, hadith No. 2547. Also The Lawful and Unlawful in Islam (in Arabic); Yusuf el-Kardawi; Mektebe Vahba, Cairo; 1977; p. 293. Also 'Robson' (Ref. No. 15); p. 872). This Hadith is concerned with causing pain to the animal on the sensitive parts of its body, as well as with the disfigurement of its appearance.
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The following Hadith forbids the disfiguration of the body of an animal.

The Prophet(s) said: 'Do not clip the forelock of a horse, for a decency is attached to its forelock; nor its mane, for it protects it; nor its tail, for it is its fly-flap'. (Narrated by 'Utbah ibn Farqad Abu Abdillah al-Sulami. Abu Dawud. Also Awn, 7:216, 217, Hadith No. 2525 (Ref. No. 32)).
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There are many Ahadith forbidding blood sports and the use of animals as targets, some of which are as follows:

The Prophet(s) condemned those people who take up anything alive as a mere sport." (Narrated by Abdullah bin 'Omar. Muslim, Vol. 3, Hadith No. 1958).
The Prophet(s) forbade blood sports, like the Bedouins. (Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abbas. Awn, (Ref. No. 32); 8:15, Hadith No. 2603. Also 'Robson'; p. 876 (Ref. No. 15, but it does not mention 'Bedouins').

The Prophet said: 'Do not set up living creatures as a target'. (Narrated by Abdullah bin Abbas. Muslim Vol. 3, Hadith No. 1957. Also 'Robson'; p. 872 (Ref. No. 15).

The Prophet(s) condemned those who use a living creature as a target." (Narrated by Abdullah bin'Omar. Bukhari and Muslim. Also 'Robson' p. 872 (Ref. No. 15)).

The Prophet(s) forbade an animal being made a target." (Narrated by Anas. Recorded by Riyad. (Ref. No. 28); Hadith No. 1606; p. 272.
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As for the hadith, all the animals mentioned pose risk of injury and even death to a person. The dog mentioned refers to a rabid dog which can harm a person. Translations have a lot to answer to when confusion results.

Here is hadith about not killing dogs which proves that the afore mentioned ones refers to rabid dogs, wolves or any type of dog that puts human life in danger.





Hadith Showing Dogs Not Being Killed

They used to see dogs urinating on the floor of the mosque and they just sprinkled water on the spot, they didn't go and kill the dog. (Saheeh Bukhari: Volume 001, Book 004, Hadith Number 174)

There are hadith which show people quenched the thirst of a thirsty dog and they got rewarded for it. The Prophet even stressed that there was a reward for one who serves any living being, including animals. (Saheeh Bukhari: Volume 001, Book 004, Hadith Number 174; Volume 3, Book 40, Number 551; Volume 3, Book 43, Number 646; Volume 4, Book 54, Number 538; Volume 4, Book 56, Number 673; Saheeh Muslim: Book 026, Number 5577; Book 026, Number 5578; Book 026, Number 5579; Malik Muwatta: Book 49, Number 49.10.23)

Ordering a dog to be kicked out and not killed. (Abu Dawud: Book 32, Number 4146)
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T.I.A said:
Sahih Muslim, The book of Pilgrimage (Book 7), No. 2718

A'isha (Allaah be pleased with her) reported Allaah'* Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.

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If God wanted those creatures killed why did he put them here in the first place?
 
^God said kill them if they are about to kill you, otherwise not. I'm sure you can see the logic in that. :)
 
Yes it does. But if you look at the nature of the animals mentioned you can see they are from those that strike without warning. This makes them more of a threat right?
 

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