Why some animals are not allowed to be killed while some others are allowed?

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Scents of Jannah said:
Yes it does. But if you look at the nature of the animals mentioned you can see they are from those that strike without warning. This makes them more of a threat right?
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Hmmm - I've never heard of anyone being killed by a speckled crow or any other kind of crow!
 
^I have! In pakistan, I can't remember which crows it was, but they can peck a man to death or at least seriously injure him.
 
Scents of Jannah said:
Yes it does. But if you look at the nature of the animals mentioned you can see they are from those that strike without warning. This makes them more of a threat right?
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no animal strikes without warning, we are just too blind to see it, or we see it and pay it no heed.
 
mmmm yeh.. they usually send a wire don't they lol :hmm:

Of course animals can attack suddenly.
 
Santoku said:
no animal strikes without warning, we are just too blind to see it, or we see it and pay it no heed.
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Although you are correct, few will agree with you on this point.

Us humans often do not see the warning and the warning often is very subtle. Animals do not have freedom of choice as us humans do. They go through a whole series of behavioral activity prior to attacking. this is the secret Animal Trainers use. You learn to recognize the signs of when an animal is or is not about to attack and act accordingly. True we often do not recognize an attack warning from an animal, but if we look back in hindsight it was there.
 
That is a tricky question since it can be twisted into

Why some things we are commanded to do while some others things are not?
Why some things smells good to us while some others things are not?

I am sorry I am rambling...
I need to get to my 50 posts before I could reply an incoming email....
 
Scents of Jannah said:
^I have! In pakistan, I can't remember which crows it was, but they can peck a man to death or at least seriously injure him.
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lol...

In Malaysia they messed with the garbage, dirty the city, steal things... :hmm: including jewellery and etc.
 
gang4 said:
That is a tricky question since it can be twisted into

Why some things we are commanded to do while some others things are not?
Why some things smells good to us while some others things are not?

I am sorry I am rambling...
I need to get to my 50 posts before I could reply an incoming email....
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yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Ant & Sparrow Hawk are not allowed to be killed and the others like Crows are allowed to be killed if it attack us. So, what if a tiger escaped from a zoo is attacking us, can we kill it or not? Are the animal allowed to be killed only from the hadith?

The Messenger [S.A.W] said: "Five creatures, all harmful, can be killed in the Haram (holy precincts): the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the dog that bites [people without being provoked]".
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Or, this hadith just confirm the only animal can be killed during ihram?
 
Santoku said:
Why should snakes be harmed unless they pose an active threat - they are excellent at keeping down rats, mice and other small vermin. There are those that blame the recent plague of mice in Australia on a campaign to eradicate "dangerous" reptiles, without the snakkes to controll them the mouse population grew out of control, of course when they had eaten all the food the population crashed but they did a heck of a lot of damage. don'y know if you ever saw that film of a sheet of corrugated iron being lifted and several thousand mice stampeding away from the light.
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Rats/mice were introduced to Australia by early europeans settlers, so they are not natives. They thrive on australian agriculture landscape/climate.
No matter how many native snakes there are, it is impossible to control mice/rats in Australia as they breed like millions per pair within a year.

This is the same case where rabbits, camels, etc exploded in populations in Australia. They are not native animals.
 
New Zealand and Ireland don't have snakes... but new zealands occasionally or rarely get visits from the sea snakes. :D :D
 
de_ruutje said:
yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Ant & Sparrow Hawk are not allowed to be killed and the others like Crows are allowed to be killed if it attack us. So, what if a tiger escaped from a zoo is attacking us, can we kill it or not? Are the animal allowed to be killed only from the hadith?

Or, this hadith just confirm the only animal can be killed during ihram?
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My two cents,
There is an experiment done by team of psychologist about color affecting human response...

Certain color (let say Green since I forgot) has a calm, suitable effect etc (basically it is good) to human emotion...

Yellowish color that could be found in the bath____... wanna make us puke.

If we ask why green color make us this way and yellowish color make us that way... of course there is list of possibilities of answers or actual answer(s).

The answers may follows logic or maybe not.


Muslims are commanded to obey Allah and Allah's Messenger.
Some may follow logic, some may follow logic but we simply do not know, some maybe not....Only Allah knows the best.

For example, when we 'gas'.. it annuls our Wudhu. The unclean part is our behind yet we water our hands, our face, our head, our feet etc... almost any parts of our body except the behind part....(it may follow logic but simply I do not know)

It is good to have a self-refrain... Refraining from questions Why we commanded this way not that way?

Trying to follow the commands as best, it is already a big challenge...
 
gang4 said:
My two cents,
There is an experiment done by team of psychologist about color affecting human response...

Certain color (let say Green since I forgot) has a calm, suitable effect etc (basically it is good) to human emotion...

Yellowish color that could be found in the bath____... wanna make us puke.

If we ask why green color make us this way and yellowish color make us that way... of course there is list of possibilities of answers or actual answer(s).

The answers may follows logic or maybe not.


Muslims are commanded to obey Allah and Allah's Messenger.
Some may follow logic, some may follow logic but we simply do not know, some maybe not....Only Allah knows the best.

For example, when we 'gas'.. it annuls our Wudhu. The unclean part is our behind yet we water our hands, our face, our head, our feet etc... almost any parts of our body except the behind part....(it may follow logic but simply I do not know)

It is good to have a self-refrain... Refraining from questions Why we commanded this way not that way?

Trying to follow the commands as best, it is already a big challenge...
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Maybe you're right. I think human brain still can't figure out what actually the purpose of some commands. As long as the commands are good for us and the others we should follow it. But still, as a human we always have to think first before doing something. If it is not harmful for human being that mean we can do it. This is all my fault, I should learn more from Quran and Hadith, not just using logical thinking. I know my knowledge about Islam is just too little and I hope Allah will help me to be a better muslim. Ameen.
 
de_ruutje said:
.... I think human brain still can't figure out what actually the purpose of some commands. As long as the commands are good for us and the others we should follow it. But still, as a human we always have to think first before doing something.
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my one cent,
Allah knows what we do not know...Allah is Most Merciful...Allah's commands must be good for us...Commands are to be followed ...not some problems to be solved.

Thinking may lead us to the danger zone of agreeing or disagreeing the commands...hence we may obey or disobey Allah.

Of course, we are recommended to use our cognitive power to think...it may good for us if we think about all things found in creations.

How about just putting our trust to Allah.

Obeying Allah's commands, for sure, is more important than having the knowledge (i.e., the purpose of the commands etc.)

If we are allowed to take a lesson in the story of Adam a.s.,
Prophet Adam A.s. lives in Jannah and has only one rule (if we are allowed to count)...do not come near or touch the tree.

Prophet Adam has the knowledge (i.e., the purpose of the commands etc.) yet he still disobeyed the command!


If I am allowed to say it again:
Obeying Allah's commands, for sure, is more important than having the knowledge (i.e., the purpose of the commands etc.)



de_ruutje said:
....I know my knowledge about Islam is just too little and I hope Allah will help me to be a better muslim. Ameen.
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You are not alone, akhi... my knowledge about Islam is close to nothing....
I hope Allah will help all Muslims to be a better Muslims. Ameen.
 
Yeah, you're right. I hope Allah will increase my faith and make me always on His way.
But, hey brother, Faith is nothing without knowledge, and Knowledge is nothing without faith.
 
de_ruutje said:
Yeah, you're right. I hope Allah will increase my faith and make me always on His way.
But, hey brother, Faith is nothing without knowledge, and Knowledge is nothing without faith.
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Beautifully said, akhi...
I should explain much better on my previous posts...but, probably I've said enough already....

Salam
 

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