Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

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anatolian said:
Brother [MENTION=40603]Grandad[/MENTION] might be even remembering the Celts migrating to the island coming from Anatolia :D https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
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I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

PS: And don't be impertinent! ;D
 
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Greetings an peace be with you czgibson;
Yes, and I think you could do with continuing to read as much history in general as you can. History is a collection of often contradictory voices, not a single entity.
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History is 'crap'.

If history was any good at all, we would learn from it and live in peace with each other, and there would not be a billion people living close to starvation in this world.

Man is incredibly clever at many things, medicine, transport, buildings etc, so why can't we use our intelligence for the more human things like relationships, and building caring communities?

In the spirit of searching for God,

Eric
 
Grandad said:
I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

PS: And don't be impertinent! ;D
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Ok my apologies..

Celts were one of the most amazing people of the ancient times. They migrated long distances and put a trace of their inheritence everywhere they went all over Eurasia..Galatia in Anatolia is interesting
 
Eric H said:
Greetings an peace be with you czgibson;


History is 'crap'.

If history was any good at all, we would learn from it and live in peace with each other, and there would not be a billion people living close to starvation in this world.

Man is incredibly clever at many things, medicine, transport, buildings etc, so why can't we use our intelligence for the more human things like relationships, and building caring communities?

In the spirit of searching for God,

Eric
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Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.

Since I was a little kid I already interested to history. I remember when I was eight. While other boys read comics I prefer to learn about history of Roman. I still love to learn history until now. That's why if you visit my home you would find many books about history. Some of those books were bought by my father for me. Some other were bought by me for my children.

There are many good things that we will get from learning history. Through learn history we can understand human better. Through learn history we can learn the mistakes that our predecessors were ever made. And we will realize that we should not repeat the same mistakes.

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ardianto said:
Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.
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Assalaam alaikum Ardianto,

I think what Eric was saying is that history as we are taught in schools is crap.

I can't disagree.

Scimi
 
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One thing that I found from learning history is, ..... maybe the history of Muslims is the most biased history. Seem like many parties, including Muslims themselves, tried to 'twist' history of Muslims to support their own agendas.
 
Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;
I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.
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I look at it this way, take the history of transport as an example, the horse and cart, then cars, buses lorries planes and space travel. You can see a gradual and rapid improvement over time.

Now take the history of man, how do we improve? We have the same wars as thousands of years ago, we have progressed from swords, to guns to bombs. Why haven't we learned to how to make peace first?

Farming methods have improved over the last millennium, there is enough food to feed the world. Why do we allow twenty thousand children to die needlessly from grinding poverty, preventable disease and starvation every single day?

History shows all the mistakes our ancestors made, we say we are growing up in a civilised society, and yet we repeat our ancestors folly. If our past history was a guide like building and improving transport, then we should have learned how to live in peace with each other, despite all our differences.

History might be interesting, but for it to benefit mankind, we must change for the better.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you all,

Civil wars can last for decades and centuries, because it is neighbour against neighbour. I think if we could learn anything positive from history, it would be for the need to forgive. When we forgive, then we can pass on some hope to our children and grandchildren, that they should not have to live with the hostility and anger of their parents generation.

Here is a story of forgiveness, a girl was stoned to death, and her parents forgave two of the guilty lads, and over the years, they even helped the lads to get jobs. This was in the time of apartheid in South Africa. This video is 18 minutes, but I believe it carries a powerful message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F0t8UajJp8&t=100s

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

History is full of war, oppression, injustice. That's why if we learn history we have to have ability to forgive. If not, then we might restart what has been ended.

Through history I know what Dutch have ever done toward my nation in their colonization, what Japanese ever done in their short occupation. But I don't want to hate them for the things that have been left in the past as history.

Unfortunately there are people who dig history with purpose to revive hostility and hatred that ever happened in the past, and start a new conflict. This is the attitude that we have to avoid.
 
Grandad said:
I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

PS: And don't be impertinent! ;D
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just seen this lol;D,..i always thought Wales was the younger nation,on these isle's with Ireland being the oldest,You can trace Irish roots back to Scotlands origins,it was the Scotti tribe from Ireland that settled in Scotland,...hence the name Scot'land,..Alba in gaelic of course,everyday is a school day,thanks for the info Granda;).
 
Scottish Celt said:
just seen this lol;D,..i always thought Wales was the younger nation,on these isle's with Ireland being the oldest,You can trace Irish roots back to Scotlands origins,it was the Scotti tribe from Ireland that settled in Scotland,...hence the name Scot'land,..Alba in gaelic of course,everyday is a school day,thanks for the info Granda;).
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Some people are really scared of history - because their criminal history is inherited.

The name "wales" comes from "wallachia" where "thorn in the flesh buffeters" the prince of wales' and the dizzy lizard's ancestor - prince of wallachia vlad dracul (dracula, vlad the impaler) ruled.
Wal fir'auna dhil awtaad, alladheena at ghaw fi al bilaad, fa aktharu feeha al fasaad, fa suabba 'alaihim rabbuka suauta 'adhaab, inna rabbaka la bi al mirsuaad.

Behold a great red dragon.....on a green and red flag..... Allahu a'lam.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mohamed-al-fayed-brands-royals-294037

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12839/Diana-Fiat-driver-shot-in-the-head


So....
Woz it the paparazzi ...... or was it the papanazi???

 

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