Why they hate us (II): How many Muslims has the U.S. killed in the past 30 years?

[Muezzin]

I just deleted a chain of posts which discussed other members personally rather than the topic at hand. General notice to nobody specifically: Please keep discussion to the topic, and thank you to those who are doing so.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I just deleted a chain of posts which discussed other members personally rather than the topic at hand. General notice to nobody specifically: Please keep discussion to the topic, and thank you to those who are doing so.

And yet you left up a post calling explicitly for the torture of Mike3449?

 

[Pygoscelis]

The actions of the USA and England interfering in the middle east is most certainly part of "why they hate us". But it is also most certainly not the only factor. People on both sides of this issue too often try to whitewash their side.

 

[GuestFellow]

The actions of the USA and England interfering in the middle east is most certainly part of "why they hate us". But it is also most certainly not the only factor. People on both sides of this issue too often try to whitewash their side.

Give the other reasons please.

 

[Ramadhan]

And yet you left up a post calling explicitly for the torture of Mike3449?

I did not see any, so this post by pygoscelis should be deleted.

 

[Ramadhan]

The actions of the USA and England interfering in the middle east is most certainly part of "why they hate us". But it is also most certainly not the only factor. People on both sides of this issue too often try to whitewash their side.

uh... this article is written by a mainstream american journalist for an american media.

Isn't it interesting how you spinned it as if the article were written by bin laden for baghdad times?

 

[Pygoscelis]

I did not see any, so this post by pygoscelis should be deleted.

Post #18 above. "You deserve this [insert photo of person being tortured]". You can't be so stuck in tribal alliance with this poster not to see how hateful that post is.

uh... this article is written by a mainstream american journalist for an american media. Isn't it interesting how you spinned it as if the article were written by bin laden for baghdad times?

I did no such thing.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Give the other reasons please.

I'd really rather not get into them too much, as it would no doubt prompt a lot of hate speech in my direction and I don't have the time or energy right now to address that.

But surely you must realize that this conflict, as is the case with a lot of conflicts, is not entirely one sided. Regimes in the middle east depend on hatred of the west to keep themselves in power (and to keep the people from turning on them), just as much as the western regimes depend on the Muslim Terrorist bogeyman (which leads to attacks on freedom in the name of "security", such as the patriot act). Regimes from both sides fan the flames and people from both "sides" (artificial sides designed to turn us against each other) have done some unspeakable things. If we can get both "sides" to admit that, we may find room to fix things, or at least calm them down. If we can get people to stop seeing us as on "sides", even better. If we accomplish neither, the radicals from both sides will envelop the rest of us in flames, be they by suicide bomber or laser guided missile.

 

[Ramadhan]

Post #18 above. "You deserve this [insert photo of detainee being tortured]". You can't be so stuck in tribal alliance with this poster not to see how hateful that post is

I don't see it as "calling explicitly for the torture of Mike3449" as you charged in the earlier post.
And as for the tribal alliance comment by you, you can't be so stuck inside the part of your own body where the sun dont shine not to see how hateful your post is.

 

[Ramadhan]

I did no such thing.

well, we are discussing the article that I posted in the thread. Unless you specify any other articles or sources, I would keep assuming you were talking about the op.

 

[GuestFellow]

But surely you must realize that this conflict, as is the case with a lot of conflicts, is not entirely one sided.

Yes I agree.

Regimes in the middle east depend on hatred of the west to keep themselves in power (and to keep the people from turning on them)

Which regimes did you have in mind?

 

[Mike3449]

uh... this article is written by a mainstream american journalist for an american media.

Isn't it interesting how you spinned it as if the article were written by bin laden for baghdad times?

Maybe it should have been.

Maybe Muslims should ask themselves the question... Why do they hate us?

Instead of America... because I think most of us don't care why the Islamic World hates us. Some do, most don't.

 

[Ramadhan]

Maybe Muslims should ask themselves the question... Why do they hate us?

It should come as a surprise to you, but yes we definitely have asked the question, and find the answers.
I don't blame you though, I'm sure you don't get much news about muslims in some backwater area that you live in.

Instead of America... because I think most of us don't care why the Islamic World hates us. Some do, most don't.

You are right.
Most americans are just ignoramus who do not even know the difference between Islam and muslim.

This also should come as another surprise to you: we don't really care about what backwater hillbillies think about muslims.
We only care about the actions of those in positions of power and influence who have made many muslims live miserable or even ceased to exist.

 

[Mike3449]

It should come as a surprise to you, but yes we definitely have asked the question, and find the answers.
I don't blame you though, I'm sure you don't get much news about muslims in some backwater area that you live in.





You are right.
Most americans are just ignoramus who do not even know the difference between Islam and muslim.

This also should come as another surprise to you: we don't really care about what backwater hillbillies think about muslims.
We only care about the actions of those in positions of power and influence who have made many muslims live miserable or even ceased to exist.

Not caring does not equal ignorance.

And, it's not just backward hillbillies.

You have asked the question? Why do they hate us?

Wonderful.

Did the word "Jihad" enter the conversation?

 

[Ramadhan]

Not caring does not equal ignorance.
And, it's not just backward hillbillies.

Forgive me, you are right.
Of course not only backwater hillbilies are ignoramus, but random americans who have access to internet are also not only ignoramus, but clearly out of their depth when discussing world affairs.

You have asked the question? Why do they hate us?
Wonderful.
Did the word "Jihad" enter the conversation?

Whats's jihad?
I understand the meaning of jihad, but maybe coming from you, I could totally miss the mark (pun not intended)

 

[Mike3449]

Forgive me, you are right.
Of course not only backwater hillbilies are ignoramus, but random americans who have access to internet are also not only ignoramus, but clearly out of their depth when discussing world affairs.




Whats's jihad?
I understand the meaning of jihad, but maybe coming from you, I could totally miss the mark (pun not intended)

'But maybe coming from you...'

But?

That is your response?

But?

I feel your pain.

How about attacks all over the world? From the Philippines to Algeria... and Europe, Russia, America. Why do you hate all of us?

And, within the Islamic World... Terror everywhere.

 

[Ramadhan]

'But maybe coming from you...'
But?
That is your response?
But?

If you object, I could totally re-phrase the sentence to "coming from you..."
Sorry for overestimating your knowledge.

I feel your pain.

Do you really?
I didn't expect that, as I see you have no pain for the women, children and old people slain and women raped by american soldiers.

How about attacks all over the world? From the Philippines to Algeria... and Europe, Russia, America. Why do you hate all of us?

can you specifiy which attacks and evidence who did what and why?

And, within the Islamic World... Terror everywhere.

you are right.
Isnt disgusting how the US has spread such terror within islamic world... terror everywhere.
Thanks for pointing this out.

 

[Mike3449]

If you object, I could totally re-phrase the sentence to "coming from you..."
Sorry for overestimating your knowledge.




Do you really?
I didn't expect that, as I see you have no pain for the women, children and old people slain and women raped by american soldiers.



can you specifiy which attacks and evidence who did what and why?



you are right.
Isnt disgusting how the US has spread such terror within islamic world... terror everywhere.
Thanks for pointing this out.

Denial is wonderful... it however is no way to keep the faith or way of life.

 

[Mike3449]

If you object, I could totally re-phrase the sentence to "coming from you..."
Sorry for overestimating your knowledge.




Do you really?
I didn't expect that, as I see you have no pain for the women, children and old people slain and women raped by american soldiers.



can you specifiy which attacks and evidence who did what and why?



you are right.
Isnt disgusting how the US has spread such terror within islamic world... terror everywhere.
Thanks for pointing this out.

American soldiers raped women?

Maybe we should build a fake religion around that...

It would not be the first time.

 

[Ramadhan]

Denial is wonderful... it however is no way to keep the faith or way of life.

Are you talking about yourself?
The first step to remedy it is to get an education, if you could.