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[al-muslimah]

USA is nothing with out a support of all westernworld

Yup that is why it will soon fall.

 

[Isambard]

That so applies to me and other 'westerners' cause obviously everyone who is a non-muslim and likes the idea of a democracy is an American.--Isambard

No not an American, a kafir(disbeliever).

Read what you wrote. You were describing America. Canada and alot of other "western" "kufir" countries where way ahead of human rights back when the Islamic countries were still promoting piracy and the slave trade.

Your point falls apart if you are referring to anything other than America.

 

[islamiii]

today muslims are weak it is reality i accpeted INshAllah we will be all together one day .even in this condition,thanks to Allah ,we muslim donot play with weapons .we donnot kill innocent .we dont believe in the might is right formula .
we donot want power and resources over deadbodies .
every non muslims is secure and living with his religious right >

 

[Keltoi]

USA is nothing with out a support of all westernworld

Really? Perhaps you should read up on the Marshall Plan after WWII, I think the "Western" world owes the U.S. a great deal. In all reality, the U.S. and the rest of the Western world have never been that close, with the exception of Great Britain.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

USA is nothing with out a support of all westernworld

The US certainly didn't have the support of all of the West when it invaded Iraq, but that didn't stop them.

Peace

 

[wilberhum]

today muslims are weak it is reality i accpeted INshAllah we will be all together one day .even in this condition,thanks to Allah ,we muslim donot play with weapons .
Play with weapons? No, they use them. Just like every other group in the world.
we donnot kill innocent .
Who is WE? Surly you arn't talking about the guy that walked into a baker shop and blow himself up.
we dont believe in the might is right formula .
Again who is the we? Are you including those that kidnap, kill some and turn over the rest for ransom?
we donot want power and resources over deadbodies .
Again who is the we? Do you include OBL in that statement?
every non muslims is secure and living with his religious right >
Would that include Gillian Gibbons?

You keep talking about we. Who is the we? Surly you don't think all Muslims fall under your "WE".

 

[al-muslimah]

today muslims are weak it is reality i accpeted INshAllah we will be all together one day .even in this condition,thanks to Allah ,we muslim donot play with weapons .we donnot kill innocent .we dont believe in the might is right formula .
we donot want power and resources over deadbodies .
every non muslims is secure and living with his religious right >

Yes brother you are right but we also defend ourselves.Yes we don't want power and resources we want Allah's word to be the highest and his shariah to rule the wrold and for the Kuffar to leave our lands they still get to practice their religion but in the end la ilaha ila allah should be on topnot in the bottom or the middle.top.

 

[wilberhum]

al-muslimah
Do you have any more three dollar bills for us?

 

[al-muslimah]

al-muslimah
Do you have any more three dollar bills for us?

If i did what makes u think I will give it to u:??? I will use it myself or give it in charity.

 

[wilberhum]

If i did what makes u think I will give it to u:??? I will use it myself or give it in charity.

Boy did you prove a point. Thank you.

I need no more proof of your lack of knowledge and will ignore you in the future.

But in the mean time check out this guy.

He could teach you a lot.

 

[al-muslimah]

Boy did you prove a point. Thank you.

I need no more proof of your lack of knowledge and will ignore you in the future.

But in the mean time check out this guy.

He could teach you a lot.

Is that suppose to be u wilber??:giggling:What would he teach me? Dictatorship:?Oh and why don't u start ignoring me now instead of the future there really is no point in your " logical " debates.

 

[sevgi]

today muslims are weak it is reality i accpeted INshAllah we will be all together one day .even in this condition,thanks to Allah ,we muslim donot play with weapons .we donnot kill innocent .we dont believe in the might is right formula .
we donot want power and resources over deadbodies .
every non muslims is secure and living with his religious right >

deary me....

i need to get to know these muslims...

there as muslim terrorist chunks all over the world...as there are the opposite.

the taliban, PKK...they are armed muslims out to kill innocents.

muslims are anything but flawless today. muslims are anything but secure with weapons. sure, they arent as bad as bush thinks they are...but we know of negatives on either side...

lets not be blinded by the age of our prophet shall we.

peace.

 

[guyabano]

!1: why west is so afraid of with the practical Muslims ?

Well, a small story: One of my close friend is a police officer. He told me just half an hour ago that they had to 'wipe off' 2 muslims praying in the middle of the street and causing a huge traffic jam.

Well, the question I would like to ask is: Why in the middle of the street ? Were they aware of that. Did they do it totally conciencly ? If they get wiped off, so they can pretend later, nobody likes Islam or the West is afraid of the practice of Islam and it would be again a reason to go on barricades. Or was it just plain stupidity ? Who will ever know !

 

[Jayda]

!1: why west is so afraid of with the practical Muslims ?

today muslims are weak it is reality i accpeted INshAllah we will be all together one day .even in this condition,thanks to Allah ,we muslim donot play with weapons .we donnot kill innocent .we dont believe in the might is right formula .
we donot want power and resources over deadbodies .
every non muslims is secure and living with his religious right >

hola islamiii,

i am having difficulty understanding the way you used the word 'practical' in your question but i think i understand what you are saying.

i think america (like many countries) is somewhat ignorant about the price of getting what we want. the world is a complexed place and it is to be expected that not everybody understands the implications of their actions. added to this we have the issue of war... which americans surely do not understand. if i am not mistaken the american homeland has been attacked only three times since the country was founded: 1812, 1942, 2001 and the most extensive damage done was during 1812... in 1942 and 2001 only specific locations saw the destruction of war. unlike europe or many other places in the world america does not know what it is like to live with the constant destruction and turmoil of a war unfolding on their streets and cities. and so we tend to think as limitedly as our experience and imagination can carry us when we discuss bringing war to other people.

with regards to the present situation it is no so much that america wants to hurt innocent people... it's just that i think america wants something, security, and because of 9/11 it feels justified in pursuing it, and ignorant of the effects of war we have brought one to muslim neighborhoods in the global community in pursuit of the bad people who caused this and fled to those places. and now there are missiles and collateral damage and all manner of damage and destruction, not necessarily portrayed in grim and gory detailed on our television screens.

i think most americans consider war something like a surgical procedure (and if they ever really got to see a surgical procedure... but that is another matter). they think it is clean and precise... only the bad people are hurt, it is quick and painless and everybody is glad to see them go and agree with us that the price was worth the purchase. but americans make concessions for 'mistakes' that we consider an acceptable margin of error... this is how terms like collateral damage come into being.

i think if americans understood a little bit better how serious a war is, how much damage and destruction is cause, america would probably not feel justified using war on the basis of wanting something alone...

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Keltoi]

hola islamiii,

i am having difficulty understanding the way you used the word 'practical' in your question but i think i understand what you are saying.

i think america (like many countries) is somewhat ignorant about the price of getting what we want. the world is a complexed place and it is to be expected that not everybody understands the implications of their actions. added to this we have the issue of war... which americans surely do not understand. if i am not mistaken the american homeland has been attacked only three times since the country was founded: 1812, 1942, 2001 and the most extensive damage done was during 1812... in 1942 and 2001 only specific locations saw the destruction of war. unlike europe or many other places in the world america does not know what it is like to live with the constant destruction and turmoil of a war unfolding on their streets and cities. and so we tend to think as limitedly as our experience and imagination can carry us when we discuss bringing war to other people.

with regards to the present situation it is no so much that america wants to hurt innocent people... it's just that i think america wants something, security, and because of 9/11 it feels justified in pursuing it, and ignorant of the effects of war we have brought one to muslim neighborhoods in the global community in pursuit of the bad people who caused this and fled to those places. and now there are missiles and collateral damage and all manner of damage and destruction, not necessarily portrayed in grim and gory detailed on our television screens.

i think most americans consider war something like a surgical procedure (and if they ever really got to see a surgical procedure... but that is another matter). they think it is clean and precise... only the bad people are hurt, it is quick and painless and everybody is glad to see them go and agree with us that the price was worth the purchase. but americans make concessions for 'mistakes' that we consider an acceptable margin of error... this is how terms like collateral damage come into being.

i think if americans understood a little bit better how serious a war is, how much damage and destruction is cause, america would probably not feel justified using war on the basis of wanting something alone...

que Dios te bendiga

I agree with you in principle, although I think you underestimate the American understanding of what war is. The U.S. has been involved in very bloody conflicts, probably more than any other nation in the modern age. You are correct that Americans do not have experience with being occupied, although if they had, American foreign policy would probably be even more aggressive.

 

[islamiii]

Practical muslims mean a person who act according to the teaching of islam. most of the i countries are islamic only by their name . they dont have islamic system .
in the eye of west unbelievers a muslim who is in favour of jahad is extremist a person who donot favoure it is modest . a practical muslim also believes in jahad .

 

[Keltoi]

Practical muslims mean a person who act according to the teaching of islam. most of the i countries are islamic only by their name . they dont have islamic system .
in the eye of west unbelievers a muslim who is in favour of jahad is extremist a person who donot favoure it is modest . a practical muslim also believes in jahad .

Then it comes to what one means by "jihad". If that means strapping on a bomb and killing innocent people, then you are an extremist and a nutjob. If that means struggling to improve the lives of yourself and other Muslims, then that is practical, as long as that "improvement" doesn't equate to murder.

When the word "jihad" is spoken in the American or European context, it is referring to terrorist activities. Perhaps if Muslims would use this word to describe non-violent efforts, it wouldn't have such a bad reputation as meaning nothing more than killing in the name of God.

 

[barney]

Is practial= to Fundemental.
Fundamental , meaning getting to the fundements of the faith. The real message...the actual text of the scripture, what God REALLY wants from the faithful. Literalism. Gods perfect word undistorted by human interpretation.

If the answer is yes. Then whats not scary about that?
It's freaking terrifying...almost causing ...umm...Terror.

 

[Resigned]

Practical muslims mean a person who act according to the teaching of islam. most of the i countries are islamic only by their name . they dont have islamic system .
in the eye of west unbelievers a muslim who is in favour of jahad is extremist a person who donot favoure it is modest . a practical muslim also believes in jahad .

Judging from the responses so far, islamiii, you need to define your terms here. Firstly, I don’t believe you will ever reach a consensus on what defines a “practical” muslim. As with most religions, islam has splintered into many sects and subdivisions, some of them being openly hostile even to one-another.

Speaking for myself only, I have a wealth of reasons why the Koran (and that’s not to exclude other “holy texts”) should not be taken in its literal form. One reason is because no one can show just cause for why a book in any way supports the assertion of a deity. Non Theists can use the heinous cruelties of various holy texts to point out the amoral nature of a god that is then asserted as a moral guide for human behavior. If one actually followed god's example, there would be no end to the justification of execution that person would deserve. The literal interpretation of Gods alleged word in the Koran or bible is capricious, cruel, and as the alleged author of all reality, as nasty as can be.

As man has become more technological, the incidence of god(s) being involved in man's earthly dealings has diminished concurrently. As his morality has grown (with definite and horrific backslides), we learn that whatever god deemed worthy of recording in the various "sacred writings", was fairly short of what man was able to evolve on his own. In the realm of ethics and morality, man is far more kind and forgiving than god(s) laws by a far margin.

 

[Resigned]

So… who defines whether or not the glorious holy warriors who committed these murders are “true” muslims or not?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209...omen_killed;_ylt=AqgLgkAGhRPB8g3stXWatW2s0NUE

By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Religious vigilantes have killed at least 40 women this year in the southern Iraqi city of Basra because of how they dressed, their mutilated bodies found with notes warning against "violating Islamic teachings," the police chief said Sunday.