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my wife is going to put christmas tree today in the house.

i told her no dont do that.

she is not listening

i asked so many scholars and imams they all say have patience with you wife :phew

dont understand what to do imsad
 
markislam said:
my wife is going to put christmas tree today in the house.

i told her no dont do that.

she is not listening

i asked so many scholars and imams they all say have patience with you wife :phew

dont understand what to do imsad
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb my brother jazakallah for sharing this with us. May I ask is your wife Muslim?
 
I am sure there is more than one way you can ruin 'Christmas' for her if you wanted!


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I understand your concern about this situation.
I think you should listen to the scholars and imams you consulted. Have patience. You are a new revert and your wife is still a Christian. These are her actions, not yours. I'm sure you have told her that you don't approve and you can even explain why in a gentle way of course. Just my humble opinion.
Salaamu Alaikum.
 
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Easy people, why wreck christmas? That is not a nice thing to do.

Rather take this chance and try and sit her down, talk to her why do we real celebrate christmas? Is it for the presents? The food? Or the birth of Christ? Who is Christ? What was his message that he brought? Does she really believe in Christ being son of God? That he then died on the cross? Take this opportunity and open a dialogue no need to burn down the christmas tree.
 
Um, yeah sure this is the perfect way to show someone islam imsad You married a christian. She gets to celebrate christmas. How on earth can you expect her to give everything up because YOU changed religions? Make her life easy for her, allow her to practice her religion (which is her right), show her love and kindness and inshaAllah Allah (swt) will open her heart to islam.
 
Dose she go to her family for Christmas if she has her family say to her she can enjoy the Xmas Dec's around their house.Give her time you are a new revert to Islam yourself the more time she sees you practing then the more she will get used to it and understand why some things are not aloud in Islam and InshaAllah she will come round to your way of thinking
 
Trumble said:
What a charming pair you are.
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It is a matter of what one can tolerate!.. I wouldn't want someone putting a tree in my house to represent the birth of his/her southwest Asian god anymore than a christian would put up a wicker man to celebrate the pagan god of the sun

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food for thought!

all the best
 
markislam said:
yes she is a christian and i am new revert to islam
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Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, Since you have just reverted recently you can't expect her to not celebrate what she has been celebrating all of her life and what she sees as the celebration of the birth of Christ. But what you can do is to talk to her about Islam in a beautiful and gentle manner using wisdom. Pick a right time when your together and tell her about the truth and reality of Christmas. This should help:

The Christmas season has been aggressively promoted in every aspect of business, in schools, in every public place. High pressure sales tactics have invaded the home through television, radio, magazine and newspaper, captivating the imagination with every kind of attraction day and night for a month or more every year. Little wonder that many of those thus targeted so persistently succumb to temptation. Among earlier generations, Christmas was an occasion which was still basically religious in orientation. Gifts, trees, decorations and feasting assumed lesser roles. But now all of this has changed. As noted in an American publication, Christmas has gone the way of many other aspects of society, becoming one more element in the mass culture which every season enables manufacturers and merchants to make millions of dollars through an elaborate system of gift exchange which comes more often from mutual expectations that "must" be fulfilled than from the heart. The commonly accepted notion that happiness is derived largely from possessions and entertainment is the driving force behind the month-long preparations and festivities which continue on through the end of the year. This fact, although blameworthy in itself, has led many Muslims into the delusion that Christmas is no longer a religious occasion and therefore does not conflict with Islamic belief.

The materialistic atmosphere surrounding the celebration of Christmas is, in reality, a manifestation of pagan culture at its worst. It can only be seen by the conscious Muslim believer as a rat-race designed and implemented by Shaytaan to accomplish a great waste of time, effort, money and resources while countless families barely subsist in a state of poverty throughout many areas of the world. In addition to the commercial side of Christmas, although less obvious to the casual observer, are certain religious aspects to be noted. The celebration was and still is intended by practising Christians as a remembrance of the birth of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) who is considered by many of them as God incarnate or the second person in a trinity, and thus they celebrate the birth of "divinity." The word itself is an abbreviated form of "Christ Mass," i.e., sacrament in commemoration of Christ. Although taken by Christians to be the birthday of Jesus, the actual date of celebration, December 25th, cannot be traced back any further than the fourth century after Christ. Ironically, this day is also considered to be the birthday of the Hindu god, Krishna, as well as Mithra, the Greek god of light. It also coincides with the annual Tree Festival which had long been celebrated in Northern Europe before the Christian era and which has been recently revived in some Arab countries in an attempt to encourage celebration by disguising the religious significance of the day.

The Christmas tree is the most obvious aspect of that pagan celebration which was incorporated along with its date of observance, December 25th, into church rites. The evergreen tree, because it keeps its green needles throughout the winter months, was believed by pre-Christian pagans to have special powers of protection against the forces of nature and evil spirits. The end of December marked the onset of a visible lengthening of daylight hours - the return of warmth and light and defeat of those evil forces of cold and darkness. At a particular stage of its development, the church is known to have adopted certain of the popular pagan practices into Christianity for political or social reasons.

Thus, in more aspects than one, the holiday is deeply rooted in the worship of different forms of creation rather than the Creator Himself.

This should make her realise the truth and reality of Christmas. Also make her realise that ALL the prophets and messengers sent by God came with the same messege and that is to establish the oneness of God and that includes Jesus who was a revered Prophet of Allah who came to re-establish the old testament given to Moses not to abrogate or change it like Paul the apostle did.

It is satan that has from the beginning of creation wanted to lead man astray and his biggest achievement in doing this was was to make man worship other than God and to ascribe partners to him.

Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus attribute himself to God but his words and teachings have been distorted and intepreted in such a way as to make a man of God to become a God himself.

The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ:


"My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]

"My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]

"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

Here are some very useful links to read more about the real truth and realities of Christianity:

http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/muhammad_prophesised/index.htm

I've also pasted the link "Very Useful Threads For Those Looking Into Islam" which includes various very interesting and thought provoking articles on various aspects of Islam which will be very useful for you to use or to forward to your partner at some point so that she can find out more about the truth of Islam.

Allah has told us to invite others in the most beautiful of manners and also in a gentle manner especially to ones partner but remember that we are only informers and Allah is the guide, so you can only do the best you can and leave the rest to Allah but never stop showing her the beauty of Islam and the best way to invite someone towards Islam is to show the best of manners and behaviour.

Here are the various links:

How The Bible Led Me To Islam Recommended

http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134288310-how-bible-led-me-islam.html

Very Useful Threads For Those Looking Into Islam, Some Amazing threads for those looking into Islam!!!

http://www.islamicboard.com/discove...-useful-threads-those-looking-into-islam.html

Brilliant "proof Of Islam" Lectures By Abdul Rahman Green

http://www.islamicboard.com/discove...-proof-islam-lectures-abdul-rahman-green.html

ISLAM IS THE TRUTH - Older Manuscripts found in Palestine says that Jesus Christ (A) is NOT a God!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flafC8VDhms

See why they converted to Islam:

http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=44218
 
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Gossamer skye said:
It is a matter of what one can tolerate!.. I wouldn't want someone putting a tree in my house to represent the birth of his/her southwest Asian god anymore than a christian would put up a wicker man to celebrate the pagan god of the sun
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"Food for thought?" Here's some.

I'm sure you wouldn't want that, but in this instance it seems a reasonable assumption it's just as much her house as his. And, as has been said, it wasn't her who just changed religion!

And you seem to think she should 'tolerate' being denied the chance to celebrate her most important religious holiday? 'Tolerate' having that holiday deliberately sabotaged?! By her husband!!! Were he to follow that advice, the one thing she should refuse to tolerate is having the idiot living in the same house.

It's a bl**dy tree, Markislam. Show some respect and tolerance for your wife (who I suspect you are deeply unworthy of), ignore the gruesome twosome of harpies in this thread, and deal with it. I'm sure those scholars and Imams have far more important things to do than listen to your whining.
 
markislam said:
yes that is what iam doing.

so she finally put it up with lights on it :nervous:
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Good..
Try not to be to concerned. She is still a Christian after all. I think you have been given some good advice from other members as far as having a talk about the origin of Christmas and all. Try not to have any unreal expectations.. Be patient with your wife and may Allah guide her. Ameen.
 
Trumble said:
"Food for thought?" Here's some.

I'm sure you wouldn't want that, but in this instance it seems a reasonable assumption it's just as much her house as his. And, as has been said, it wasn't her who just changed religion!
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That highly depends on who is supporting the family and is the head of it.. marriage vows indeed should account for something..
and I believe those should include if one is debilitated, poor or decides that the birth of a west Asian god is by way of a pagan practice!

And you seem to think she should 'tolerate' being denied the chance to celebrate her most important religious holiday? 'Tolerate' having that holiday deliberately sabotaged?! By her husband!!! Were he to follow that advice, the one thing she should refuse to tolerate is having the idiot living in the same house.
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You mistake this holiday for one having religious significance which it doesn't!
certainly if said holiday had some semblance of 'religious reverence' in it, no one would mind its observance. We certainly share a day of fast with the Jews. however celebrating the birth or death of god and lying to kids about creepy old men in red suits doesn't Constitute an 'important religious holiday'!

Far be it from me to tell him which direction to take this marriage but a candid discussion is paramount, if nothing else for the sake of the children.


all the best
 
:sl: i don't know brother how can i help you on this one as far as my knowledge goes as long as she is not stopping you from your duties as a muslim like praying etc then you should not interfere with what your wife wants to do. i mean i doubt you can stop her that would cause alot of upset and trouble that your daughter dose not need to listen to.
 

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