Will atheist ever get the proof of God's existence?

[Trumble]

Yeah, humanism is ofcourse not a religion, but when it pumps "self-appreciation" into one's self and tells you that you are somehting very different and one of its kind, you are puffed up and your ego start to crawl inside of you.

Rename 'self-appreciation' "self-respect" and few would have a problem with it.

 

[silkworm]

Yes, they say that Humanism is a religion, but a religion without scriptures and God, thats what they say and believe in.

 

[there there]

I think a more pressing question is whether people of faith will ever get empirical evidence of God.

 

[Tornado]

I think a more pressing question is whether people of faith will ever get empirical evidence of God.

If they got empirical evidence, they wouldn't need faith. If anyone got empirical evidence for a god and empirical evidence of Allah, then everyone would be muslim.

 

[Keltoi]

If they got empirical evidence, they wouldn't need faith. If anyone got empirical evidence for a god and empirical evidence of Allah, then everyone would be muslim.

Would they? I suppose they would if a divine being yelled down from the Heavens, "Call yourselves Muslims and call me Allah and live by the Qu'ran." However, if knowledge was gained suggesting a "being", outside of our human understanding, created and guides the universe, it would probably just reinforce theism of all creeds.

 

[Tornado]

Yea pretty much. Since I don't expect it to happen, then we atheist won't ever find proof of god's existence.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

its pretty obvious when atheists will get the message...


IN A FOXHOLE!!

When everything is about to be lost, you'll realize how all their talk and pomp vanishes and theyll be reduce to weeping for God.

A true theist on the other hand will not break down, they know the matter is in Allah's hands and if they have followed the Straight Path, they have nothing to worry about.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Yea pretty much. Since I don't expect it to happen, then we atheist won't ever find proof of god's existence.

You have been exposed to the truth and have rejected it, hence your self proclaimed "atheism". Just because YOU refuse to recognize it doesnt mean it isnt there.

 

[Tornado]

You have been exposed to the truth and have rejected it, hence your self proclaimed "atheism". Just because YOU refuse to recognize it doesnt mean it isnt there.

A little tiresome, but what truth? I don't refuse, there's none there unless you wish to enlighten me.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

A little tiresome, but what truth? I don't refuse, there's none there unless you wish to enlighten me.

I know where that question is leading..hehe. Go find it, I am here to answer the topic of the thread and not to make you realize your destiny. You have already been enlightened numerous times probably, but refuse to accept it because it does not go along with your fancy.

 

[Tornado]

I know where that question is leading..hehe. Go find it, I am here to answer the topic of the thread and not to make you realize your destiny. You have already been enlightened numerous times probably, but refuse to accept it because it does not go along with your fancy.

Pushing me away? I'm being honest, I haven't been shown any.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Pushing me away? I'm being honest, I haven't been shown any.

[2:6] As for those who disbelieve, it is the same for them; whether you warn them, or not warn them, they cannot believe.

[2:13] When they are told, "Believe like the people who believed," they say, "Shall we believe like the fools who believed?" In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know.

2:18] Deaf, dumb, and blind, they return not.



Peace sir, if you surf around Islamic sites, read some of the stuff, debated with Muslims and you still do not want to learn more or reject it outright, I cannot help you. Go debate with a scholar.

 

[Tornado]

Insulting me? That's not very nice . I'm not rejecting anything and the only reason I am here is to learn and what you think is sufficient proof is not.

Back on topic. Can you honestly say you will ever get proof of santa, bigfoot, etc.? For the same reason, atheists won't get proof of god's existence but if there is actual, real proof, obviously we wouldn't deny it.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Insulting me? That's not very nice . I'm not rejecting anything and the only reason I am here is to learn and what you think is sufficient proof is not.

Back on topic. Can you honestly say you will ever get proof of santa, bigfoot, etc.? For the same reason, atheists won't get proof of god's existence but if there is actual, real proof, obviously we wouldn't deny it.

I didnt see any insult in there, simply quoting a few verses. I don't think santa or bigfoot ever sent Prophets or books down. Completely different things. it's not as obvious as you think, I get the feeling you want Allah to tap your shoulder or send an angel to hug you. No..just..no. There is " actual" proof and many many signs. You just choose not to CONSIDER them and then turn around and say that there is nothing. ANyways, I answered the thread and don't think I'm up to getting through to you. Go find a scholar or even a poor Muslim man, both will give you the same answer, you will reject both and continue saying that there is nothing. You gotta understand that there is truth and falsehood, Islam distinguishes itself from falsehood and provides clear instructions and I would like nothing more than to see you on your way to freedom and faith and free of any man gods or chosen people fairy tales. There is nothing else for me personally to say, sadly, peace and hope you open yours eyes and heart a bit.

 

[Tornado]

I didnt see any insult in there, simply quoting a few verses. I don't think santa or bigfoot ever sent Prophets or books down. Completely different things. it's not as obvious as you think, I get the feeling you want Allah to tap your shoulder or send an angel to hug you. No..just..no. There is " actual" proof and many many signs. You just choose not to CONSIDER them and then turn around and say that there is nothing.

I guess for you, calling a person deaf, dumb, and blind doesn't qualify as insults. Actually, the Santa, Bigfoot analogy works and it's obvious. Will I get proof of Santa? No, I don't think so since I don't think it exists. Will I get proof of god? No, I also don't think one exists. I'm completely willing to accept the proof if there is one. Saying there are many actual proof whilst providing none doesn't help your position. You haven't even provided one.. Saying so doesn't make it so.
Cheers.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I guess for you, calling a person deaf, dumb, and blind doesn't qualify as insults. Actually, the Santa, Bigfoot analogy works and it's obvious. Will I get proof of Santa? No, I don't think so since I don't think it exists. Will I get proof of god? No, I also don't think one exists. I'm completely willing to accept the proof if there is one. Saying there are many actual proof whilst providing none doesn't help your position. You haven't even provided one.. Saying so doesn't make it so.
Cheers.

Search for it man, you are on an Islamic forum for petes sake. I am not gonna baby sit you on this. If I had to give directions to every person then walk them to their destination,... well it would be tiresome. Get up off the internet and go activiely find the truth, search the Mosques find people talk and debate. By the way reread my previous post, i edited it a bit.

 

[Tornado]

Search for it man, you are on an Islamic forum for petes sake. I am not gonna baby sit you on this. If I had to give directions to every person then walk them to their destination,... well it would be tiresome. Get up off the internet and go activiely find the truth, search the Mosques find people talk and debate. By the way reread my previous post, i edited it a bit.

I did, you keep repeating the same things over (while not adding anything). I've even started a thread a while back where I'd like some answers but people kind of just left that thread. FYI, the internet is a perfect place to find the truth and I gather people on this forum are actually very smart and knowledgeable about their religion so going to a scholar wouldn't actually help. My questions aren't about specifics parts of the religion where a scholar would help, but whether religion is valid, etc.

Cheers.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I guess for you, calling a person deaf, dumb, and blind doesn't qualify as insults. Actually, the Santa, Bigfoot analogy works and it's obvious. Will I get proof of Santa? No, I don't think so since I don't think it exists. Will I get proof of god? No, I also don't think one exists. I'm completely willing to accept the proof if there is one. Saying there are many actual proof whilst providing none doesn't help your position. You haven't even provided one.. Saying so doesn't make it so.
Cheers.

thats where the *EEEEDITT!!!!* comes into play mr nado first name Tor

forget proof for a second and take signs into consideration

contemplate over your existence and how perfectly your existence is synchronised


i mean just thinking about stuff like the butterfly effect makes one really think "how can it be without a creator?"



eh :O

 

[Tornado]

Arrrg, Please not in this thread. What you brought up isn't that simple and is being discussed in other threads. Signs/proofs, show me them is all I'm asking. Please don't call me blind...imsad

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ HEY IM SRY!!!! seriously i feel like the biggest fish ever now! im editing my other post

i didnt mean ur blind in that way :|


you sound really sincere


the signs are as i stated mr nado first name tor

its in all of nature, the way the sun and moon works, the way the skies are so perfect, i mean just think of how everythings just works..

also think about yourself. Do you really think something such as humans can be created for no purpose?... how is it possible we just come to be :O




*goes to edit other post*