No, atheists can't disprove the existence of a god or gods. But as you said, the limited nature of humanity is a stumbling block. But everything we know is limited. Without limits how can anything be defined at all? There is even a limit to the definition of infinity.
If God has no limits then it is impossible for any us to recognise the existence of such a being, as such a being will not have a nature that we can recognise. And if such a being exists without limitations then it also exists outside the sphere of human knowledge. To say that you know and understand such a being is to say that you know it's limitations. God will therefore be a limited being and therefore subject to the same standard of proof as anything else.
It's a matter of term-calling... the limited human nature is a stumbling block to you
while to me it's simply...natural. BUt I agree with you, limits are prerequisited for
definitions.
"A being" implies a creation..I prefer to use the term "The Creator".
It's a matter of P.O.V, since human is limited hence from human point of view, The
Creator becomes limited but our POv is like '2-d being' to explain the concept of
height, the third dimension... it goes nowhere.
The Creator has no limits but HE (needs a pronoun, no gender implication) does not
beyond recognition. And no...I don't claim to know, to understand The Creator but for
sure, HE tells us what we need to know by sending prophets (I said these before). For
example, Allah is One...and nothing is like unto HIM.
Also,
'THe truth is separated from falsehood' goes along nicely with "no compulsion in
religion".
It's a pick and choose with consequences at the day of judgement after the doomsday. Is
there a doomsday?
Increased-entropy is a second thermodynamic law (works like murphy's law) not to
mention 2 billion years from now, the Andromeda galaxy is heading toward ours for
head-to-head collision. The giant Black hole sits in dormant in the center of our
galaxy (according to discovery channel of course)
The 'When" part nobody knows not even Muhammad (S.A.W) nor Isa(Jesus) a.s.
Is there such thing like The day of judgement or the Last Day?
It's part of a believe system.
S.Al-Baqarah.177
Righteousness is not whether you face towards the east or the west. But righteousness
is to believe in Allah and the Last Day, in the angels and the Book, and the Prophets,
and to give wealth however cherished, to kinsmen, to the orphans, to the needy, to the
destitute traveler, and to the beggars, and to ransom the slave; who establish their
prayers and pay the obligatory charity; who are true to their promise when they have
promised. Who are patient in misfortune and hardship and during the time of courage.
Such are the truthful; such are the cautious.
I quote a verse from Al-Qur'an to proove:
I believe in Al-Qur'an. And Al-Qur'an says to believe in the Last Day. So, I believe in
the Last Day.
Unbeliever(a temporal state I hope) like you don't believe in Al-Qur'an, logically you
won't believe in the Last Day.
Hence, Last Day is part of a believe system. Some believe, and some don't.
There is a set of believe system and of course there is a set of logical system.
SOme set of believe system sometimes intersect with some part of the logical system
just like in the diagram Venn they blend in the common elements. But most of the time,
believe and logic complements each other or exclusively independent from one to
another.
Not everything is logical...DO I have a Proof? Not really, but I do have a question
posted some place here....a repeated question,
"The conservative law of energy states energy can't be created nor destroyed, but
merely transform from one form to the other"
I Keep asking: "How come energy exist in the first place?"
They say: Energy, space, time etc start to exist at the moment of bigbang. What is
before the big bang?
To know things, to logically know things we need to work some measurements in finite.
All the elements of measurements start to exist at the moment of bigbang. Before the
bigbang no information units of measurements CAN'T BE MEASURED hence we will NOT
KNOW...
like the energy question, moment prior to bigbang are the areas untouched by logical
system. So are the moment after the bigcrunch(doomsday) also untouched by logical
system. Hence not everything is logical.
Here is the set of believe system kicks in...
unbelievers too... use believe system (NOT logical system) to believe "Not to believe
in THE CREATOR"....whatever logic/reasons unbelievers use to justify his believe
...it's in the area of common elements of the diagram venn....but never exclusively in
the logical system(Believe complement).
"Doubt in everything" says the logic.
In our daily life, logic has much higher of success in terms of reliability compare to
believe system. How come to believe is the key to success for The Last Day?
I know it is the truth, but my logic longing for explanations. I've been struggling
with this.....
I heard about him for years...never bother to read his work. not till recently, I read
his written work.It's like a five years old learning to read Encyclopedia of
Mathematics's book...
Not fully understood what he wrote, only a handful snapshot of comprehension here and
there.
But, telescoping what he said using my own words:
"from believe comes the truth. Not only by knowing rather by experiencing beyond
reasonable doubt"
His work has been known For a thousand year, long enough to collect critics of his
work. The title is a bit cheesy "The Alchemy of Happiness"
But to experience a glimpse events for 3 to 5 seconds or longer of what he's talking
about.... enough to throw doubts into a garbage can...if you lucky enough to experience
this indescribable events.
The Creator EXISTS...HE is closer than your jugular vain. HE is everywhere. To believe
in HIM is a gift, ask for it.
If you believe in HIM, you make me happy.
if you won't believe in HIM....well, I am happy I am not one of you.
