Will Israel be brought to book?

[wth1257]

Yes, but condemning an action is not the same as actually doing something to stop it. They would have the power to if they wanted, it's just too much hassle, with nothing to gain.

Britain- "Hey Israel, could you please stop all those war crimes, they kind of violate international treaties and all that"
Israel-" :muddlehea*bombs some more civilians "accidentally"* "

lol, took the words out of my mouth. America urges restraint constantly. If my friend starts beating the daylights out of a smaller, weaker guy who can't fight back, and all I do is sit back every now and again saying "be sure not to overd= do it" very few people would consider my actions morally admirable.

 

[Woodrow]

Why is it every time something like this happens Muslims want West to stand up for them?

Is it to stand up or wanting the West to know the truth? The West has long held mistaken views about Israel. It is time that we in the West see what Zionism is.

 

[wth1257]

I found this interesting

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article10582

 

[Amadeus85]

Is it to stand up or wanting the West to know the truth? The West has long held mistaken views about Israel. It is time that we in the West see what Zionism is.

The problem is that the other side, Palestinians, who did suffer a lot in their history, are represented by guys who want to get us, europeans too.

 

[Questfortruth]

Is it to stand up or wanting the West to know the truth? The West has long held mistaken views about Israel. It is time that we in the West see what Zionism is.

Hmm. I personally think majority of westerners know the reality about Zionism. The ones that do not support Israel are often libertarians who actually speak out agiasnt Zionism. Then the west has Liberials, conservatives and ofcourse the neo-nazi Conservatives. All three of them support Israel unconditionally except the liberials want Israel not to kill civilians, Conservatives want Israel to only kill civilians that are in the way and Neo-nazi conservatives want Israel to do full invasion and kill everyone. For some reason I don't think there are conservatives in America anymore. There is Ron Paul but his views were more Libertarian and even the people who supported him were Libertarians. I do think there is difference between educating someone and begging someone. Most of the time I see western Muslims begging the non-Muslims to understand their view instead of educating them. Regardless people will vote for the president that will benefit them not the world. Unless, something happens to them then they will give out a reaction like on sept 11 that was the reason people re-elected george bush because he was in the interest of defending America. Obama was not elected because of his foreign policy, rather he was elected on his promise of saving Americans from this economic downfall also he was running agiasnt Dumb & Dumber.

 

[Woodrow]

The problem is that the other side, Palestinians, who did suffer a lot in their history, are represented by guys who want to get us, europeans too.

I think you will find that others are now starting to join in, not quite to the stage of being representatives, but as valid witnesses.

Perhaps a time will come when the Palestinians will get genuine help and not have to depend on Hamas and Hizbullah for survival. I was just watching a WW2 documentary and gained a bit of understanding over why Sweden at a point sided with Nazi Germany as protection against Russia. People will accept what ever helps them survive. It just may be our own fault that Palestine has to side with Hamas and Hizbullah, who else has stood up for the Palestinians?

 

[Questfortruth]

I think you will find that others are now starting to join in, not quite to the stage of being representatives, but as valid witnesses.

Perhaps a time will come when the Palestinians will get genuine help and not have to depend on Hamas and Hizbullah for survival. I was just watching a WW2 documentary and gained a bit of understanding over why Sweden at a point sided with Nazi Germany as protection against Russia. People will accept what ever helps them survive. It just may be our own fault that Palestine has to side with Hamas and Hizbullah, who else has stood up for the Palestinians?

Just like Afganistan how the Northern Alliance joined up with the Taliban now and most of Hamid Karzai government officals are now working with the Taliban.

 

[Amadeus85]

I think you will find that others are now starting to join in, not quite to the stage of being representatives, but as valid witnesses.

Perhaps a time will come when the Palestinians will get genuine help and not have to depend on Hamas and Hizbullah for survival. I was just watching a WW2 documentary and gained a bit of understanding over why Sweden at a point sided with Nazi Germany as protection against Russia. People will accept what ever helps them survive. It just may be our own fault that Palestine has to side with Hamas and Hizbullah, who else has stood up for the Palestinians?

Thats correct, it would be stupid to blame the Palestinians, who, as i said, did and do suffer a lot. Too much. But You know what ideology stands behind Hamas and Hezbulah, thats unacceptable for majority of people here.

 

[Questfortruth]

Thats correct, it would be stupid to blame the Palestinians, who, as i said, did and do suffer a lot. Too much. But You know what ideology stands behind Hamas and Hezbulah, thats unacceptable for majority of people here.

What wiping out America's illegitimate child?