Will Sharia Law ever work in Britain?
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If you read the article properly it was suggested parts of shariah law(personal islamic issues)to accomodate muslims only as per their religion, not common law.....i dont see whats the issue is, if your not a muslim, you are not bound by it...life is business as usual....why the fuss....live and let live...
NO ONE IS SAYING THEY WANT FULL SHARIAH IN BRITIAN...I SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE....
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There are already Islamic courts in the UK that deal with civil issues e.g. divorce and financial matter according to the Sharia.
However, when a Muslim obtains a divorce from the Sharia council, the divorce is recognised Islamically, but not recognised by civil law. Thus, they have to go to the civil courts as well to obtain a divorce that way.
What the Archbishop was suggesting was that issues like divorce which are recognised by the Sharia council, should also be recognised by British civil law.
I can see the wisdom in that. For starters, the civil courts will be less clogged up. It would be quicker and millions of pounds worth of taxpayer's money would be saved.
People have misconstrued what the Archbishop was saying. News headlines have been misleading. Nobody is suggesting that Sharia law becomes a part of British law. It is being suggested that some laws of Sharia, applicable to Muslims should be recognised by the laws of the UK.
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or change it into an islamic state?
lol no really though, inshaAllaah one day the whole dunya will be a muslim state, inshaAllaah
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Sure, that is called Utopia. If democracy would be run perfect, then no need for Sharia, but then again, this is also a wishdreaming.
As Osman said already before: When pigs can fly...
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darn it then catapult a pig and lets get it started!
wishful thinking or whatever, one way or another things will work out!
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these are flimsy excuses
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I'm sure you've been on these forums long enough to know that islam neither advocates nor condones severe (and by severe I mean anything harder than with a tooth brush) beating. You don't need someone to tell you again. If you do, however, I'd be happy to elaborate.
I see that you do. It's not really going to make a difference until you forget all the stereotypes and generalizations and all the other bs the media has been feeding you, but I'll say it anyway. Miracles happen, I guess.
""According to the Qur'an the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Ar-Rum: 21)
The Qur'an urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. [In the event of a family dispute, the Qur'an exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects]. Allah Almighty says: “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (An-Nisa’: 19)
It is important that a wife recognizes the authority of her husband in the house. He is the head of the household, and she is supposed to listen to him. But the husband should also use his authority with respect and kindness towards his wife. If there arises any disagreement or dispute among them, then it should be resolved in a peaceful manner. Spouses should seek the counsel of their elders and other respectable family members and friends to batch up the rift and solve the differences.
However, in some cases a husband may use some light disciplinary action in order to correct the moral infraction of his wife, but this is only applicable in extreme cases and it should be resorted to if one is sure it would improve the situation. However, if there is a fear that it might worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then he should avoid it completely.
The Qur'an is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (An-Nisa': 34-35)
It is important to read the section fully. One should not take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate family situation with care and wisdom. The word "beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean "physical abuse". The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) explained it "dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark". He further said that face must be avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.
Generally, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to discourage his followers from taking even this measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do not hit their wives. In one hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)
It is also important to note that even this "light strike" mentioned in the verse is not to be used to correct some minor problem, but it is permissible to resort to only in a situation of some serious moral misconduct when admonishing the wife fails, and avoiding from sleeping with her would not help. If this disciplinary action can correct a situation and save the marriage, then one should use it."
Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management, adds:
"If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, the husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient. In cases where the problem persists, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers. There are cases, however, in which a wife persists in bad habits and showing contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations. Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one.
Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:
a. It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment. Based on the Qur'an and Hadith, this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.
b. As defined by Hadith, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm or even be harsh. What the Hadith qualifies as "dharban ghayra mubarrih", or light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of siwak! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body. It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.
c. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several hadiths, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) discouraged this measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard:
"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";
"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."
In another hadith the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?”
d. True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.
e. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged or forbidden. In fact it may be to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted or unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.
f. Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or Hadith). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)."
From islam online
Will you actually read it? Will it make even a dent in your "oppressed muslim woman mentality"? Doubt it. But it doesn't hurt to try.
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Kudos to crayon for an excellent post above.
The tap of the Miswak is so light, it can only be symbolic to demonstrate the gravity of the situation.
And even at that, it is discouraged, except as a very last resort.
No doubt, a far cry from "Islam allowed men to beat women".
The tap of the Miswak is so light, it can only be symbolic to demonstrate the gravity of the situation.
And even at that, it is discouraged, except as a very last resort.
No doubt, a far cry from "Islam allowed men to beat women".
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How is having no political rights a flimsy excuse? I say put your theory to the test.
Go out side and try to lasso as many minorities and women as you can. When the ask you what the hell you are doing, tell them their political rights are stupid and that the are now your subjects becauce you are superior.
Count the number of people who punch you in the face. Respond when you are done your "survey".
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I thought you were a nihilist
Not really.
Being a nihilist doesnt mean Im stupid. Lack of political rights on the basis that someone who believes in a magical sky man is more equipped to rule is just sillyness.
And why would I enjoy laws that restrict my access favorite media forums (and not have any say mind you) because my muslim overlords cant control themselves?
I have preferences, and I really perfer a system that makes some sense to one that based on fanciful promises.
As per women having different privilages, Im sure youll agree they do. And as that was a response to the misconception of Islam granting "equal rights" to women, I think I proved my point that that isnt true.
I have read it. Thankyou for proving my point Islam doesnt recognize women's rights.
Nice attempt at a strawman though. I never said women are oppressed, I said they have no rights because of Islamic encouragement of gender roles making your original claim false.:mmokay:
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So in your opinion having no rights is not equal to oppression?
And of course there are gender roles. Men and women are EQUAL but DIFFERENT. Which is something that is so difficult to grasp for a lot of people, for some reason. So many people have the idea that EQUAL RIGHTS=SAME ROLES.
edit to add- do you ever see parents going to school and their children going to work to provide money for the family? no. each person has their role. if both children and parents went to school, that would be stupid. if both of them worked, that would also be stupid. who you are defines your role in society.
And of course there are gender roles. Men and women are EQUAL but DIFFERENT. Which is something that is so difficult to grasp for a lot of people, for some reason. So many people have the idea that EQUAL RIGHTS=SAME ROLES.
edit to add- do you ever see parents going to school and their children going to work to provide money for the family? no. each person has their role. if both children and parents went to school, that would be stupid. if both of them worked, that would also be stupid. who you are defines your role in society.
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Brother u are lost i will try and enlighten u so plz go on my original thread with the title The importance of women
ive made it easier for u by giving u the link so go an educate urself and lubricate that solid brain of urs with understanding:coolious:
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134264367-importance-women.html
The same arguement was made to enslave and/or subject minorities. I would agree with you if we were living in a egragrian society where that sort of differentiation mattered, but thats not the case so Islamic gender roles is rather dated.
Recognizing women as important is very different then giving them full rights.
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True but a nihilist wouldn't actually give a ****. A true nihilist at least. Maybe you're semi-nihilist
As for lack of political rights, what rights are you speaking of?What restrictions are you talking about?
I'm sure the following agree with you:
native americans
iraqis
afghanis
somalis
The list goes on. All promised a fanciful law system (cough democracy [where you democractically elect a dictator to ''lead'' your country for a few years] cough)
Name me one muslim woman who thinks they have no rights due to Islam or that they are treated unjustly because of Islam. The fact of the matter is, women do have rights just as males do. In fact, women under Islam have a greater importance than man. Take this hadith and think on it: Paradise is at your mother's feet. If you still cannot see the level of greatness a woman has under Islam, I'll dig up some more - believe me there are loads.
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